Roe v Wade struck down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

+1 They just keep making mindless retorts. They pretended that ten year olds never get pregnant, and then when it was shown that does happen (and way too heartbreakingly often) they didn’t sit and think about the necessity of abortion, they blamed the victim and her mother and illegal immigrants. They pretended that there would be exceptions, and now that exceptions have been shown to be farcical, they shut their ears and suggest that women should just go to another state. For life saving, emergency care.

It’s all about controlling women, getting us to submit to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

Willful ignorance?

[Anonymous]

Heather Cox Richardson had a great column on the 51st anniversary of Roe v. Wade:
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-21-2024

She noted that, at the time, people largely supported abortion rights. Republicans more than Democrats. Nixon flip flopped from supporting abortion in 1970 to using Catholic language on abortion in an effort to grab Catholic votes away from Democrats.

Then, in the early 70s, the Republicans started using abortion as a stand-in for opposition to the "women's lib" movement.

Railing against the Equal Rights Amendment, in her first statement on abortion in 1972, activist Phyllis Schlafly did not talk about fetuses but instead spoke about “women’s lib”—the women’s liberation movement—which she claimed was “a total assault on the role of the American woman as wife and mother, and on the family as the basic unit of society.”

A dozen years later, sociologist Kristin Luker discovered that "pro-life" activists believed that selfish “pro-choice” women were denigrating the roles of wife and mother and were demanding rights they didn’t need or deserve.

Richardson goes on to note how incredibly popular abortion rights are among the American people. Support for abortion under the Roe v. Wade model (basically the trimester system where it's almost always legal during the first trimester and only legal in extraordinary circumstances during the third trimester). That enjoys 69% support. Only 13% want it illegal in all circumstances.

But then she speculates about parallels to the sudden and intense backlash to the takeover of the Southern Slave Power in the 1850s.

In the 1850s, elite southern enslavers quietly took over first the Democratic Party, and then the Senate, the White House, and then the Supreme Court. Northerners didn’t pay much attention to the fact that their democracy was slipping away until suddenly, in 1854, Democrats in the House of Representatives caved to pressure from the party’s southern wing and passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act. That law overturned the Missouri Compromise, which had kept enslavement out of much of the West, and had stood since 1820, so long that northerners thought it would stand forever.

With the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, human enslavement would become the law of the land, and the elite southern enslavers, with their concentration of wealth and power, would rule everyone else. It appeared that American democracy would die, replaced by an oligarchy.

But when the Kansas-Nebraska bill passed, northerners of all parties came together to stand against those trying to destroy American democracy. As Illinois lawyer Abraham Lincoln put it: “We rose each fighting, grasping whatever he could first reach—a scythe—a pitchfork—a chopping axe, or a butcher’s cleaver,” to fight against the minority trying to impose its will on the majority. Within a decade, they had rededicated themselves to guaranteeing “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heather Cox Richardson had a great column on the 51st anniversary of Roe v. Wade:
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-21-2024

She noted that, at the time, people largely supported abortion rights. Republicans more than Democrats. Nixon flip flopped from supporting abortion in 1970 to using Catholic language on abortion in an effort to grab Catholic votes away from Democrats.

Then, in the early 70s, the Republicans started using abortion as a stand-in for opposition to the "women's lib" movement.

Railing against the Equal Rights Amendment, in her first statement on abortion in 1972, activist Phyllis Schlafly did not talk about fetuses but instead spoke about “women’s lib”—the women’s liberation movement—which she claimed was “a total assault on the role of the American woman as wife and mother, and on the family as the basic unit of society.”

A dozen years later, sociologist Kristin Luker discovered that "pro-life" activists believed that selfish “pro-choice” women were denigrating the roles of wife and mother and were demanding rights they didn’t need or deserve.

Richardson goes on to note how incredibly popular abortion rights are among the American people. Support for abortion under the Roe v. Wade model (basically the trimester system where it's almost always legal during the first trimester and only legal in extraordinary circumstances during the third trimester). That enjoys 69% support. Only 13% want it illegal in all circumstances.

But then she speculates about parallels to the sudden and intense backlash to the takeover of the Southern Slave Power in the 1850s.

In the 1850s, elite southern enslavers quietly took over first the Democratic Party, and then the Senate, the White House, and then the Supreme Court. Northerners didn’t pay much attention to the fact that their democracy was slipping away until suddenly, in 1854, Democrats in the House of Representatives caved to pressure from the party’s southern wing and passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act. That law overturned the Missouri Compromise, which had kept enslavement out of much of the West, and had stood since 1820, so long that northerners thought it would stand forever.

With the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, human enslavement would become the law of the land, and the elite southern enslavers, with their concentration of wealth and power, would rule everyone else. It appeared that American democracy would die, replaced by an oligarchy.

But when the Kansas-Nebraska bill passed, northerners of all parties came together to stand against those trying to destroy American democracy. As Illinois lawyer Abraham Lincoln put it: “We rose each fighting, grasping whatever he could first reach—a scythe—a pitchfork—a chopping axe, or a butcher’s cleaver,” to fight against the minority trying to impose its will on the majority. Within a decade, they had rededicated themselves to guaranteeing “that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

Wow, history really does repeat itself! Thank you for sharing. I need to sign up for her newsletter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

Give us an example of MAGA voters and politicians and even regular Republicans saying "sorry, wasn't right about that?" and "let's listen to the concerns the pro-choice side has." Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

The majority of MAGA don't believe anything that doesn't support their world-view. They are selective in their beliefs and aren't willing to be convinced otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

The majority of MAGA don't believe anything that doesn't support their world-view. They are selective in their beliefs and aren't willing to be convinced otherwise.

Really? I know some intelligent trumpers. I can respect that their religious beliefs teach that abortion is wrong. They are capable of grasping that other religions and views do not teach that abortion is wrong but they seem to be incapable of having any respect for this.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

The majority of MAGA don't believe anything that doesn't support their world-view. They are selective in their beliefs and aren't willing to be convinced otherwise.

You' d be surprised. Ever have a heart to heart with one? an honest discussion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

Democracy. Leave it up to the people to decide and vote in people that agree with them.

[Anonymous]

I live in Ohio and the state legislature is so gerrymandered, the republicans have a supermajority and have changed the system, so they can pick their voters.
We voted in favor of a constitutional amendment and the state legislature has said it is “their god given right” to ignore the will of the people, and to take the power from the people regarding abortion.
So… that’s what the Republicans meant when they said “return it to the states”
I’m doubtful Biden will win Ohio, but I’m hopeful this will ensure the reelection of Brown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was the GOP so clueless that did not understand that this is a critical issue for women and they will vote about it.

The usual arrogant, self-righteous "i'm right about everything" attitude along with a healthy dose of uncaring sociopathy and the notion of just trying to shout everyone else down rather than actually listening to their genuine and legitimate concerns.

You just described a leftist, sorry.

So why do you think the GOP is so clueless about this issue being a huge loser for them at the ballot box?

The majority of MAGA don't believe anything that doesn't support their world-view. They are selective in their beliefs and aren't willing to be convinced otherwise.

You' d be surprised. Ever have a heart to heart with one? an honest discussion?

I have. They’re mad but they don’t seem to know why they’re mad. Their stated reasons never hold up.