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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

BS. You don't speak for all of Great Falls nor does Fairfax Matters or the very limited number of persons who are on the GFCA. It's great that FCPS did this and spending 50m+ more to make it a solid AP comprehensive HS is a worthwhile use of our tax dollars for a county wide school division. Main complainer on Western is Meren. That one also voted NO on all MS having AAP. Lady likes the concept of a Loudoun style magnet BUT recognizes that this is a different situation since she stated there are 1700 students learning in trailers and 2 modulars in all involved schools. TJ as an option was created because FCPS had low enrollment at the site.

Those 2 modulars, Chantilly and Centreville, were installed in 2005. Churchill Rd has one that was installed in 2006 with a 280 student capacity. So as Tysons grows and empty nesters residences get replaced by k-12 there eventually could be an ES capacity deficit. 4 feeders had 533 less members in SY2024-25 than in SY2004-05. Spring Hill grew by 206.

Of course, I never claimed to speak for all of Great falls. fairfacts is a county-wide organization, so they certainly don’t speak for Great falls.

But note you’re trying to put words in my mouth, I’m just refuting the claim that Great falls was somehow against your community getting a new school, because no one has ever pointed to an actual statement from any GF organization to that effect. I just see people questioning the cost, just like, as you point out, meren has, and I’ll add Dunne has.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

If Coates/McNair goes to Herndon HS, it’s almost certain Crossfield would go to KAA.

The two most obnoxious groups—the pro Langley GF parents and the pro Oakton Crossfield parents—are at odds with each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

If Coates/McNair goes to Herndon HS, it’s almost certain Crossfield would go to KAA.

The two most obnoxious groups—the pro Langley GF parents and the pro Oakton Crossfield parents—are at odds with each other.

🤣 Your conspiracies know no end. Next you’ll be telling us that Crossfield and Langley families have space lasers.

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As long as Coates and McNair are in Herndon Pyramid, everybody would have less concerns with KAA. Great Falls would also prefer KAA over Herndon HS if Coates and McNair are not going to KAA.

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Anonymous wrote:As long as Coates and McNair are in Herndon Pyramid, everybody would have less concerns with KAA. Great Falls would also prefer KAA over Herndon HS if Coates and McNair are not going to KAA.

Coates and McNair already go to Carson. No problems that I am hearing.

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Anonymous wrote:As long as Coates and McNair are in Herndon Pyramid, everybody would have less concerns with KAA. Great Falls would also prefer KAA over Herndon HS if Coates and McNair are not going to KAA.

So what you're saying is, as long as those kids aren't anywhere near yours you don't care where they end up. You are disgusting. At least you are admitting that your racism is part of your opposition to KAA.

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Anonymous wrote:As long as Coates and McNair are in Herndon Pyramid, everybody would have less concerns with KAA. Great Falls would also prefer KAA over Herndon HS if Coates and McNair are not going to KAA.

So what you're saying is, as long as those kids aren't anywhere near yours you don't care where they end up. You are disgusting. At least you are admitting that your racism is part of your opposition to KAA.

You’re responding to an anti-great falls commenter. 🤣🤣🤣. Bit of an own goal there!

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Anonymous wrote:As long as Coates and McNair are in Herndon Pyramid, everybody would have less concerns with KAA. Great Falls would also prefer KAA over Herndon HS if Coates and McNair are not going to KAA.

In what scenario would Great Falls kids ever go to KAA? Am I missing something?

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Anonymous wrote:As long as Coates and McNair are in Herndon Pyramid, everybody would have less concerns with KAA. Great Falls would also prefer KAA over Herndon HS if Coates and McNair are not going to KAA.

In what scenario would Great Falls kids ever go to KAA? Am I missing something?

Dp. For that sweet aviation academy, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok from Reid’s boundary email, BRAC looked at feedback….now what?

All of the comments are up online as well.

Where can we find the comments?

https://www.fcps.edu/november-12-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

They didn’t post the region 2 comments correctly.

A lot of the comments are posted incorrectly or in the wrong region. My kids go to Gunston which is heavily impacted by proposed changes and comments are in multiple regions. There are hundreds of comments about this school.

Is Gunston in region 4?

There were pages of Gunston comments in the region 4 notes.

What’s the issue with Gunston Elementary?

Hagel Circle.

It is a very poor housing complex that has been moved around from school to school, because none of the wealthier areas want the public housing complex.

FCPS finally settled on putting them into Halley a decade plus ago, a far away neighborhood on the other side of 95, around 4 elementary schools away from Hagel Circle.

From the map 1-3 comments, it sounds like one early version of the map put them at Lorton Station, which is located like a block away from Hagel Circle. That went over like a lead balloon, so in map 4 FCPS moved Hagel Circle to the next closest elementary school, Gunston, which will put them over capacity and overload their septic system.

Gunston does not want the poor kids from Hagel Circle either.

Right now, they are bussed so far out of their neighborhood to go to their elementary school, which affects their achievement, attendance and any possible parent involvement. It is basically the equivalent of bussing a Vienna elementary school past the beltway to Annandale... not one parent of any group but the poorest among us would stand for this if it were our own kids.

There are a ton of posts going back and forth from parents in those potential receiving schools of all the reasons why Hagel Circle should remain at far away Halley and not get rezoned to one of their neighborhood schools.

For one of the bluest areas of Fairfax County, the hypocrisy is astounding.

It's definitely more nuanced than how it's described.

Hagle Circle goes to South County - Halley Elementary is also zoned for South County, they're both areas of Lorton - so not exactly comparable to Annandale and Vienna.

When Lorton Station Elementary first opened up, Hagle Circle went to Lorton Station - somehow they got moved to Halley Elementary and Lorton Station suddenly had capacity for an AAP Center. So Lorton Station, which is the neighborhood school for the area and the closest school to Hagel Circle uses their AAP center status as an excuse for insufficient capacity. According to the capacity maps, even with Lorton Station's AAP center status - there is room for the Hagel Circle residents. I'm not a fan of the AAP centers, but it's clear that in this case - the AAP center was used to push neighborhood kids out of their school.
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Finally, Halley Elementary (located just around the corner from Sandy Anderson's neighborhood) will end up with 68% capacity and almost no FARMS or low-income students. Meanwhile, Gunston will likely become a Title 1 school with a very high FARMS rate and a 98% capacity. That 98% capacity entails using dilapidated trailers to house these students. It's also one of the only schools with a septic system in the entire county and there are ongoing issues with the septic system that result in trucks emptying the septic nearly daily. So yes - the Gunston community clearly feels as though their school and community were completely disregarded in the process. More so than almost any elementary school in the entire county.

Halley:
membership SY2024-25 622
scenarios 476
Hagel Circle =146 ?

Lorton Station 736+ Hagel Circle 146=882 or 99% but it's larger than Gunston and NOT on septic.
Lorton Station 736-AAP transfers 52 + Hagel Circle=93%

So move the AAP feeds to where there is space. This is ridiculous. Lorton Station has program capacity of 888. That site should be an inhouse AAP only.

Why is Lorton Station, a Hayfield school, even the AAP elementary school for all South County feeders? Not a single Hayfield elementary school feeds into it for AAP.

I’ve often wondered that myself. It gets all of South County’s AAP, plus Saratoga (Lewis), plus Gunston (South County/Hayfield). Meanwhile, a lot of AAP kids in the Hayfield pyramid are bussed up to Springfield Estates (Lewis) for AAP. That includes kids at Island Creek, Hayfield, Lane, etc. Lewis kids get to stay at Springfield Estates for AAP. I’m assuming this is some artifact of when South County was created and they didn’t want to change the AAP boundaries or add new programs. Possibly a “deal” to support Lorton Station by giving it AAP and dividing up the low income areas between elementary schools and between Hayfield and South County. SC ended up with Hagel Cir being bussed to Halley, and the low rise garden style condos at the end of Silverbrook Rd. at Laurel Hill. Lorton Station and Hayfield had to take the Woods of Fairfax apartments and obviously the low income apartments that are located in the same cul-de-sac as Lorton Station Elementary and they were also given all the AAP kids to keep them afloat.

Well, now with LLIV at all the SC elementary schools, I’m not even sure how many families are electing to go to the center at Lorton Station. I’m in the South County pyramid and I know only one family from my kids’ school who went to the center. You can look at our student numbers yourself at Silverbrook, Newington Forest etc., there is no major “3rd grade dropoff” in enrollment. Lorton Station’s AAP seems to exist mostly to backdoor middle class Saratoga kids out of Saratoga and Lewis, since the middle school AAP center is Lake Braddock.

The middle school AAP option for South County is Lake Braddock??

Why doesn't SoCo have its own AAP?

DP. All of this nonsense and gobbledygook about AAP is just illustrating how confusing it is and how much it needs to be reined in. Put it in each school, close all centers, the end. It messes up EVERYTHING.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok from Reid’s boundary email, BRAC looked at feedback….now what?

All of the comments are up online as well.

Where can we find the comments?

https://www.fcps.edu/november-12-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

They didn’t post the region 2 comments correctly.

A lot of the comments are posted incorrectly or in the wrong region. My kids go to Gunston which is heavily impacted by proposed changes and comments are in multiple regions. There are hundreds of comments about this school.

Is Gunston in region 4?

There were pages of Gunston comments in the region 4 notes.

What’s the issue with Gunston Elementary?

Hagel Circle.

It is a very poor housing complex that has been moved around from school to school, because none of the wealthier areas want the public housing complex.

FCPS finally settled on putting them into Halley a decade plus ago, a far away neighborhood on the other side of 95, around 4 elementary schools away from Hagel Circle.

From the map 1-3 comments, it sounds like one early version of the map put them at Lorton Station, which is located like a block away from Hagel Circle. That went over like a lead balloon, so in map 4 FCPS moved Hagel Circle to the next closest elementary school, Gunston, which will put them over capacity and overload their septic system.

Gunston does not want the poor kids from Hagel Circle either.

Right now, they are bussed so far out of their neighborhood to go to their elementary school, which affects their achievement, attendance and any possible parent involvement. It is basically the equivalent of bussing a Vienna elementary school past the beltway to Annandale... not one parent of any group but the poorest among us would stand for this if it were our own kids.

There are a ton of posts going back and forth from parents in those potential receiving schools of all the reasons why Hagel Circle should remain at far away Halley and not get rezoned to one of their neighborhood schools.

For one of the bluest areas of Fairfax County, the hypocrisy is astounding.

It's definitely more nuanced than how it's described.

Hagle Circle goes to South County - Halley Elementary is also zoned for South County, they're both areas of Lorton - so not exactly comparable to Annandale and Vienna.

When Lorton Station Elementary first opened up, Hagle Circle went to Lorton Station - somehow they got moved to Halley Elementary and Lorton Station suddenly had capacity for an AAP Center. So Lorton Station, which is the neighborhood school for the area and the closest school to Hagel Circle uses their AAP center status as an excuse for insufficient capacity. According to the capacity maps, even with Lorton Station's AAP center status - there is room for the Hagel Circle residents. I'm not a fan of the AAP centers, but it's clear that in this case - the AAP center was used to push neighborhood kids out of their school.
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Finally, Halley Elementary (located just around the corner from Sandy Anderson's neighborhood) will end up with 68% capacity and almost no FARMS or low-income students. Meanwhile, Gunston will likely become a Title 1 school with a very high FARMS rate and a 98% capacity. That 98% capacity entails using dilapidated trailers to house these students. It's also one of the only schools with a septic system in the entire county and there are ongoing issues with the septic system that result in trucks emptying the septic nearly daily. So yes - the Gunston community clearly feels as though their school and community were completely disregarded in the process. More so than almost any elementary school in the entire county.

Halley:
membership SY2024-25 622
scenarios 476
Hagel Circle =146 ?

Lorton Station 736+ Hagel Circle 146=882 or 99% but it's larger than Gunston and NOT on septic.
Lorton Station 736-AAP transfers 52 + Hagel Circle=93%

So move the AAP feeds to where there is space. This is ridiculous. Lorton Station has program capacity of 888. That site should be an inhouse AAP only.

Why is Lorton Station, a Hayfield school, even the AAP elementary school for all South County feeders? Not a single Hayfield elementary school feeds into it for AAP.

I’ve often wondered that myself. It gets all of South County’s AAP, plus Saratoga (Lewis), plus Gunston (South County/Hayfield). Meanwhile, a lot of AAP kids in the Hayfield pyramid are bussed up to Springfield Estates (Lewis) for AAP. That includes kids at Island Creek, Hayfield, Lane, etc. Lewis kids get to stay at Springfield Estates for AAP. I’m assuming this is some artifact of when South County was created and they didn’t want to change the AAP boundaries or add new programs. Possibly a “deal” to support Lorton Station by giving it AAP and dividing up the low income areas between elementary schools and between Hayfield and South County. SC ended up with Hagel Cir being bussed to Halley, and the low rise garden style condos at the end of Silverbrook Rd. at Laurel Hill. Lorton Station and Hayfield had to take the Woods of Fairfax apartments and obviously the low income apartments that are located in the same cul-de-sac as Lorton Station Elementary and they were also given all the AAP kids to keep them afloat.

Well, now with LLIV at all the SC elementary schools, I’m not even sure how many families are electing to go to the center at Lorton Station. I’m in the South County pyramid and I know only one family from my kids’ school who went to the center. You can look at our student numbers yourself at Silverbrook, Newington Forest etc., there is no major “3rd grade dropoff” in enrollment. Lorton Station’s AAP seems to exist mostly to backdoor middle class Saratoga kids out of Saratoga and Lewis, since the middle school AAP center is Lake Braddock.

The middle school AAP option for South County is Lake Braddock??

Why doesn't SoCo have its own AAP?

South County has an AAP center for students assigned as South County MS base school. These schools had transfers into Lorton Station and 52 would get transportation if that's the assigned ES AAP transfer:

Gunston 10, AAP MS South County /Lake Braddock
Saratoga 29, AAP MS Lake Braddock
Newington Forest 10, AAP Lorton Station,MS South County
Silverbrook <10, AAP Lorton Station,MS South County
Halley <10, AAP Lorton Station, South County
Laurel Hill 17, AAP Lorton Station, South County
Island Creek <10
Rose Hill <10
Stratford Landing <10
Hybla Valley <10
Woodley Hills <10

Lorton Station current base school -AAP onsite , Lake Braddock

AAP ratmaze https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/advanced-academic-level-iv-school

Lewis would improve do much in 3-4 years if Key had its own AAP program and all the Key/Lewis zoned smart kids weren't transferring into Lake Braddock.

You know AAP kids aren't the only "smart kids," right? Good grief, this program has ruined FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok from Reid’s boundary email, BRAC looked at feedback….now what?

All of the comments are up online as well.

Where can we find the comments?

https://www.fcps.edu/november-12-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

They didn’t post the region 2 comments correctly.

A lot of the comments are posted incorrectly or in the wrong region. My kids go to Gunston which is heavily impacted by proposed changes and comments are in multiple regions. There are hundreds of comments about this school.

Is Gunston in region 4?

There were pages of Gunston comments in the region 4 notes.

What’s the issue with Gunston Elementary?

Hagel Circle.

It is a very poor housing complex that has been moved around from school to school, because none of the wealthier areas want the public housing complex.

FCPS finally settled on putting them into Halley a decade plus ago, a far away neighborhood on the other side of 95, around 4 elementary schools away from Hagel Circle.

From the map 1-3 comments, it sounds like one early version of the map put them at Lorton Station, which is located like a block away from Hagel Circle. That went over like a lead balloon, so in map 4 FCPS moved Hagel Circle to the next closest elementary school, Gunston, which will put them over capacity and overload their septic system.

Gunston does not want the poor kids from Hagel Circle either.

Right now, they are bussed so far out of their neighborhood to go to their elementary school, which affects their achievement, attendance and any possible parent involvement. It is basically the equivalent of bussing a Vienna elementary school past the beltway to Annandale... not one parent of any group but the poorest among us would stand for this if it were our own kids.

There are a ton of posts going back and forth from parents in those potential receiving schools of all the reasons why Hagel Circle should remain at far away Halley and not get rezoned to one of their neighborhood schools.

For one of the bluest areas of Fairfax County, the hypocrisy is astounding.

It's definitely more nuanced than how it's described.

Hagle Circle goes to South County - Halley Elementary is also zoned for South County, they're both areas of Lorton - so not exactly comparable to Annandale and Vienna.

When Lorton Station Elementary first opened up, Hagle Circle went to Lorton Station - somehow they got moved to Halley Elementary and Lorton Station suddenly had capacity for an AAP Center. So Lorton Station, which is the neighborhood school for the area and the closest school to Hagel Circle uses their AAP center status as an excuse for insufficient capacity. According to the capacity maps, even with Lorton Station's AAP center status - there is room for the Hagel Circle residents. I'm not a fan of the AAP centers, but it's clear that in this case - the AAP center was used to push neighborhood kids out of their school.
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Finally, Halley Elementary (located just around the corner from Sandy Anderson's neighborhood) will end up with 68% capacity and almost no FARMS or low-income students. Meanwhile, Gunston will likely become a Title 1 school with a very high FARMS rate and a 98% capacity. That 98% capacity entails using dilapidated trailers to house these students. It's also one of the only schools with a septic system in the entire county and there are ongoing issues with the septic system that result in trucks emptying the septic nearly daily. So yes - the Gunston community clearly feels as though their school and community were completely disregarded in the process. More so than almost any elementary school in the entire county.

Halley:
membership SY2024-25 622
scenarios 476
Hagel Circle =146 ?

Lorton Station 736+ Hagel Circle 146=882 or 99% but it's larger than Gunston and NOT on septic.
Lorton Station 736-AAP transfers 52 + Hagel Circle=93%

So move the AAP feeds to where there is space. This is ridiculous. Lorton Station has program capacity of 888. That site should be an inhouse AAP only.

Why is Lorton Station, a Hayfield school, even the AAP elementary school for all South County feeders? Not a single Hayfield elementary school feeds into it for AAP.

I’ve often wondered that myself. It gets all of South County’s AAP, plus Saratoga (Lewis), plus Gunston (South County/Hayfield). Meanwhile, a lot of AAP kids in the Hayfield pyramid are bussed up to Springfield Estates (Lewis) for AAP. That includes kids at Island Creek, Hayfield, Lane, etc. Lewis kids get to stay at Springfield Estates for AAP. I’m assuming this is some artifact of when South County was created and they didn’t want to change the AAP boundaries or add new programs. Possibly a “deal” to support Lorton Station by giving it AAP and dividing up the low income areas between elementary schools and between Hayfield and South County. SC ended up with Hagel Cir being bussed to Halley, and the low rise garden style condos at the end of Silverbrook Rd. at Laurel Hill. Lorton Station and Hayfield had to take the Woods of Fairfax apartments and obviously the low income apartments that are located in the same cul-de-sac as Lorton Station Elementary and they were also given all the AAP kids to keep them afloat.

Well, now with LLIV at all the SC elementary schools, I’m not even sure how many families are electing to go to the center at Lorton Station. I’m in the South County pyramid and I know only one family from my kids’ school who went to the center. You can look at our student numbers yourself at Silverbrook, Newington Forest etc., there is no major “3rd grade dropoff” in enrollment. Lorton Station’s AAP seems to exist mostly to backdoor middle class Saratoga kids out of Saratoga and Lewis, since the middle school AAP center is Lake Braddock.

The middle school AAP option for South County is Lake Braddock??

Why doesn't SoCo have its own AAP?

South County has an AAP center for students assigned as South County MS base school. These schools had transfers into Lorton Station and 52 would get transportation if that's the assigned ES AAP transfer:

Gunston 10, AAP MS South County /Lake Braddock
Saratoga 29, AAP MS Lake Braddock
Newington Forest 10, AAP Lorton Station,MS South County
Silverbrook <10, AAP Lorton Station,MS South County
Halley <10, AAP Lorton Station, South County
Laurel Hill 17, AAP Lorton Station, South County
Island Creek <10
Rose Hill <10
Stratford Landing <10
Hybla Valley <10
Woodley Hills <10

Lorton Station current base school -AAP onsite , Lake Braddock

AAP ratmaze https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/advanced-academic-level-iv-school

Lewis would improve do much in 3-4 years if Key had its own AAP program and all the Key/Lewis zoned smart kids weren't transferring into Lake Braddock.

You know AAP kids aren't the only "smart kids," right? Good grief, this program has ruined FCPS.

+1 When it was only GT, it was tolerable because it was small. But, now, parents complain and the kid gets in. And, it starts way too early.
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Anonymous wrote:Ok from Reid’s boundary email, BRAC looked at feedback….now what?

All of the comments are up online as well.

Where can we find the comments?

https://www.fcps.edu/november-12-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

They didn’t post the region 2 comments correctly.

A lot of the comments are posted incorrectly or in the wrong region. My kids go to Gunston which is heavily impacted by proposed changes and comments are in multiple regions. There are hundreds of comments about this school.

Is Gunston in region 4?

There were pages of Gunston comments in the region 4 notes.

What’s the issue with Gunston Elementary?

Hagel Circle.

It is a very poor housing complex that has been moved around from school to school, because none of the wealthier areas want the public housing complex.

FCPS finally settled on putting them into Halley a decade plus ago, a far away neighborhood on the other side of 95, around 4 elementary schools away from Hagel Circle.

From the map 1-3 comments, it sounds like one early version of the map put them at Lorton Station, which is located like a block away from Hagel Circle. That went over like a lead balloon, so in map 4 FCPS moved Hagel Circle to the next closest elementary school, Gunston, which will put them over capacity and overload their septic system.

Gunston does not want the poor kids from Hagel Circle either.

Right now, they are bussed so far out of their neighborhood to go to their elementary school, which affects their achievement, attendance and any possible parent involvement. It is basically the equivalent of bussing a Vienna elementary school past the beltway to Annandale... not one parent of any group but the poorest among us would stand for this if it were our own kids.

There are a ton of posts going back and forth from parents in those potential receiving schools of all the reasons why Hagel Circle should remain at far away Halley and not get rezoned to one of their neighborhood schools.

For one of the bluest areas of Fairfax County, the hypocrisy is astounding.

It's definitely more nuanced than how it's described.

Hagle Circle goes to South County - Halley Elementary is also zoned for South County, they're both areas of Lorton - so not exactly comparable to Annandale and Vienna.

When Lorton Station Elementary first opened up, Hagle Circle went to Lorton Station - somehow they got moved to Halley Elementary and Lorton Station suddenly had capacity for an AAP Center. So Lorton Station, which is the neighborhood school for the area and the closest school to Hagel Circle uses their AAP center status as an excuse for insufficient capacity. According to the capacity maps, even with Lorton Station's AAP center status - there is room for the Hagel Circle residents. I'm not a fan of the AAP centers, but it's clear that in this case - the AAP center was used to push neighborhood kids out of their school.
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Finally, Halley Elementary (located just around the corner from Sandy Anderson's neighborhood) will end up with 68% capacity and almost no FARMS or low-income students. Meanwhile, Gunston will likely become a Title 1 school with a very high FARMS rate and a 98% capacity. That 98% capacity entails using dilapidated trailers to house these students. It's also one of the only schools with a septic system in the entire county and there are ongoing issues with the septic system that result in trucks emptying the septic nearly daily. So yes - the Gunston community clearly feels as though their school and community were completely disregarded in the process. More so than almost any elementary school in the entire county.

Halley:
membership SY2024-25 622
scenarios 476
Hagel Circle =146 ?

Lorton Station 736+ Hagel Circle 146=882 or 99% but it's larger than Gunston and NOT on septic.
Lorton Station 736-AAP transfers 52 + Hagel Circle=93%

So move the AAP feeds to where there is space. This is ridiculous. Lorton Station has program capacity of 888. That site should be an inhouse AAP only.

Why is Lorton Station, a Hayfield school, even the AAP elementary school for all South County feeders? Not a single Hayfield elementary school feeds into it for AAP.

I’ve often wondered that myself. It gets all of South County’s AAP, plus Saratoga (Lewis), plus Gunston (South County/Hayfield). Meanwhile, a lot of AAP kids in the Hayfield pyramid are bussed up to Springfield Estates (Lewis) for AAP. That includes kids at Island Creek, Hayfield, Lane, etc. Lewis kids get to stay at Springfield Estates for AAP. I’m assuming this is some artifact of when South County was created and they didn’t want to change the AAP boundaries or add new programs. Possibly a “deal” to support Lorton Station by giving it AAP and dividing up the low income areas between elementary schools and between Hayfield and South County. SC ended up with Hagel Cir being bussed to Halley, and the low rise garden style condos at the end of Silverbrook Rd. at Laurel Hill. Lorton Station and Hayfield had to take the Woods of Fairfax apartments and obviously the low income apartments that are located in the same cul-de-sac as Lorton Station Elementary and they were also given all the AAP kids to keep them afloat.

Well, now with LLIV at all the SC elementary schools, I’m not even sure how many families are electing to go to the center at Lorton Station. I’m in the South County pyramid and I know only one family from my kids’ school who went to the center. You can look at our student numbers yourself at Silverbrook, Newington Forest etc., there is no major “3rd grade dropoff” in enrollment. Lorton Station’s AAP seems to exist mostly to backdoor middle class Saratoga kids out of Saratoga and Lewis, since the middle school AAP center is Lake Braddock.

The middle school AAP option for South County is Lake Braddock??

Why doesn't SoCo have its own AAP?

No, do your research. South County MS is an AAP center. It doesn’t pull kids from other pyramids, but the same is true for Cooper, Johnson, and Longfellow.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok from Reid’s boundary email, BRAC looked at feedback….now what?

All of the comments are up online as well.

Where can we find the comments?

https://www.fcps.edu/november-12-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

They didn’t post the region 2 comments correctly.

A lot of the comments are posted incorrectly or in the wrong region. My kids go to Gunston which is heavily impacted by proposed changes and comments are in multiple regions. There are hundreds of comments about this school.

Is Gunston in region 4?

There were pages of Gunston comments in the region 4 notes.

What’s the issue with Gunston Elementary?

Hagel Circle.

It is a very poor housing complex that has been moved around from school to school, because none of the wealthier areas want the public housing complex.

FCPS finally settled on putting them into Halley a decade plus ago, a far away neighborhood on the other side of 95, around 4 elementary schools away from Hagel Circle.

From the map 1-3 comments, it sounds like one early version of the map put them at Lorton Station, which is located like a block away from Hagel Circle. That went over like a lead balloon, so in map 4 FCPS moved Hagel Circle to the next closest elementary school, Gunston, which will put them over capacity and overload their septic system.

Gunston does not want the poor kids from Hagel Circle either.

Right now, they are bussed so far out of their neighborhood to go to their elementary school, which affects their achievement, attendance and any possible parent involvement. It is basically the equivalent of bussing a Vienna elementary school past the beltway to Annandale... not one parent of any group but the poorest among us would stand for this if it were our own kids.

There are a ton of posts going back and forth from parents in those potential receiving schools of all the reasons why Hagel Circle should remain at far away Halley and not get rezoned to one of their neighborhood schools.

For one of the bluest areas of Fairfax County, the hypocrisy is astounding.

It's definitely more nuanced than how it's described.

Hagle Circle goes to South County - Halley Elementary is also zoned for South County, they're both areas of Lorton - so not exactly comparable to Annandale and Vienna.

When Lorton Station Elementary first opened up, Hagle Circle went to Lorton Station - somehow they got moved to Halley Elementary and Lorton Station suddenly had capacity for an AAP Center. So Lorton Station, which is the neighborhood school for the area and the closest school to Hagel Circle uses their AAP center status as an excuse for insufficient capacity. According to the capacity maps, even with Lorton Station's AAP center status - there is room for the Hagel Circle residents. I'm not a fan of the AAP centers, but it's clear that in this case - the AAP center was used to push neighborhood kids out of their school.
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Finally, Halley Elementary (located just around the corner from Sandy Anderson's neighborhood) will end up with 68% capacity and almost no FARMS or low-income students. Meanwhile, Gunston will likely become a Title 1 school with a very high FARMS rate and a 98% capacity. That 98% capacity entails using dilapidated trailers to house these students. It's also one of the only schools with a septic system in the entire county and there are ongoing issues with the septic system that result in trucks emptying the septic nearly daily. So yes - the Gunston community clearly feels as though their school and community were completely disregarded in the process. More so than almost any elementary school in the entire county.

Halley:
membership SY2024-25 622
scenarios 476
Hagel Circle =146 ?

Lorton Station 736+ Hagel Circle 146=882 or 99% but it's larger than Gunston and NOT on septic.
Lorton Station 736-AAP transfers 52 + Hagel Circle=93%

So move the AAP feeds to where there is space. This is ridiculous. Lorton Station has program capacity of 888. That site should be an inhouse AAP only.

Why is Lorton Station, a Hayfield school, even the AAP elementary school for all South County feeders? Not a single Hayfield elementary school feeds into it for AAP.

I’ve often wondered that myself. It gets all of South County’s AAP, plus Saratoga (Lewis), plus Gunston (South County/Hayfield). Meanwhile, a lot of AAP kids in the Hayfield pyramid are bussed up to Springfield Estates (Lewis) for AAP. That includes kids at Island Creek, Hayfield, Lane, etc. Lewis kids get to stay at Springfield Estates for AAP. I’m assuming this is some artifact of when South County was created and they didn’t want to change the AAP boundaries or add new programs. Possibly a “deal” to support Lorton Station by giving it AAP and dividing up the low income areas between elementary schools and between Hayfield and South County. SC ended up with Hagel Cir being bussed to Halley, and the low rise garden style condos at the end of Silverbrook Rd. at Laurel Hill. Lorton Station and Hayfield had to take the Woods of Fairfax apartments and obviously the low income apartments that are located in the same cul-de-sac as Lorton Station Elementary and they were also given all the AAP kids to keep them afloat.

Well, now with LLIV at all the SC elementary schools, I’m not even sure how many families are electing to go to the center at Lorton Station. I’m in the South County pyramid and I know only one family from my kids’ school who went to the center. You can look at our student numbers yourself at Silverbrook, Newington Forest etc., there is no major “3rd grade dropoff” in enrollment. Lorton Station’s AAP seems to exist mostly to backdoor middle class Saratoga kids out of Saratoga and Lewis, since the middle school AAP center is Lake Braddock.

+1, We're at Gunston and I only knew one family who elected to leave the in house Local Level IV for the AAP center at Lorton Station. I do know multiple Gunston families who live in the portion of the school zoned for Hayfield and complain about how they have to go to Lake Braddock for middle school AAP instead of South County, when South County is much closer. Funny - how somehow, an issue involving South County zoning, ties back to families trying to avoid the Lewis pyramid. Lorton Station is an AAP center, and it looks like the majority of students transferring there are from Saratoga. Why isn't there Local Level IV at Saratoga? Again, instead of moving boundaries around at elementary schools and damaging communities, why isn't the school board focused on implementing Local Level IV at all schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Now I'd like GFCA to put out a letter about their Western High scenario. I am guessing they are the ones who put in the comment into the boundary tool about moving McNair and Coates into Herndon HS. Which is never going to happen.

Cute conspiracy theory. They don’t have a position on the school. Most people in great falls don’t care about the school because it doesn’t affect us directly. There are a few people who question the costs for the school, just like the school board members have done recently.

Didn't they put out a letter saying it should be a magnet school? Or was that just the Nextdoor lady?