Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did not read all the comments but does this mean the whole “inclusion” idea of kids with learning disabilities will be done? When we were growing up there was the special Ed class and then regular class. Do we go back to that?

We have been so fed up with disruptive kids in our public schools we left for private. Will the voucher system come back?

Most students in special ed are not disruptive kids.

What's wrong did the child with cerebral palsy disrupt your child by walking too slowly?

Did the kid in the wheelchair make too much noise wheeling into the classroom?

Would like the child with Down's syndrome to be put in a trailer, so as not to disrupt your perfect children?

DP
Honestly, I think my kids who had classmates with CP and Down's are much better people for having known those kids and befriending them. In their case, they were a positive influence anyone would be grateful for.

Thank you. :)
My kid has vision problems and I was stunned at how many parents told me my child was getting an “unfair advantage” by having their pages enlarged! WTF???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

And here you're blaming Department of Ed? There's that little word at the end of ESSA that highlights the problem with your misplaced blame, it's the word "Act" - it's legislation passed by Congress, not something that bureaucrats at Department of Ed came up with. In fact it came from Republicans, as it was sponsored and promoted by Lamar Alexander. And, it did exactly what Republicans wanted, to shift more of the accountability to the states rather than the federal government (NCLB). Also, most of the problem is not on the Department of Ed side, it's that STATES are inconsistent in how they are implementing it.

So once again, Democrats get the blame for a Republican initiative.

[Anonymous]

We are already becoming an insensitive country and Trump hasn’t even started

[Anonymous]

If you get out of D.C., most Americans broadly agree that Federal bureaucracy is bloated and burdensome. Its sprawl contributes substantially both to our budget deficit, which in turn drives our debt up, crowding out capital for private investment which would in turn drive productivity. At the same time, the larger bureaucracy gets, the more things it sticks its nose into things to feel busy, which likewise drives productivity down. DoE is probably the worst. It is very new (Carter Administration) and our national education performance has plummeted since its inception. There is no evidence that it is effective at doing anything other than increasing local district workloads and stifling educational innovation, and it costs a lot of money. At this point, elimination would at worst be a natural experiment that fails; our education can't get much worse. At best we will see a renaissance as local schools innovate and best practices are unearthed. I understand that many D.C. residents are terrified at what this and other moves will do to our local economy, but nationally, there is broad support for this. It's not hard to see why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why? I looked up and DC is ranked #16 in education in the country. That’s not a bad rank.

The top 10 best educated states are all blue states. It won’t change them. The poor states like Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, etc will be negatively affected.

https://scholaroo.com/report/state-education-rankings/

New York is ranked 6th.
California is ranked 40th.

Scholaroo???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you get out of D.C., most Americans broadly agree that Federal bureaucracy is bloated and burdensome. Its sprawl contributes substantially both to our budget deficit, which in turn drives our debt up, crowding out capital for private investment which would in turn drive productivity. At the same time, the larger bureaucracy gets, the more things it sticks its nose into things to feel busy, which likewise drives productivity down. DoE is probably the worst. It is very new (Carter Administration) and our national education performance has plummeted since its inception. There is no evidence that it is effective at doing anything other than increasing local district workloads and stifling educational innovation, and it costs a lot of money. At this point, elimination would at worst be a natural experiment that fails; our education can't get much worse. At best we will see a renaissance as local schools innovate and best practices are unearthed. I understand that many D.C. residents are terrified at what this and other moves will do to our local economy, but nationally, there is broad support for this. It's not hard to see why.

This is not born out by NAEP scores. COVID has set our scores back significantly but before then, there were real statistically significant gains in student achievement, particularly among minority students, between the 1970s and the 2000s.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

The idea that states are not experimenting is laughable. The rise of charter schools and vouchers since the 1990s is the biggest experiment in education the U.S. has ever had. Also, the VAST majority of ED's budget is grants in aid to states and districts. If you don't like student performance outcomes, you need to examine what your local school district is up to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all the comments but does this mean the whole “inclusion” idea of kids with learning disabilities will be done? When we were growing up there was the special Ed class and then regular class. Do we go back to that?

We have been so fed up with disruptive kids in our public schools we left for private. Will the voucher system come back?

Most students in special ed are not disruptive kids.

What's wrong did the child with cerebral palsy disrupt your child by walking too slowly?

Did the kid in the wheelchair make too much noise wheeling into the classroom?

Would like the child with Down's syndrome to be put in a trailer, so as not to disrupt your perfect children?

DP
Honestly, I think my kids who had classmates with CP and Down's are much better people for having known those kids and befriending them. In their case, they were a positive influence anyone would be grateful for.

Thank you. :)
My kid has vision problems and I was stunned at how many parents told me my child was getting an “unfair advantage” by having their pages enlarged! WTF???

It shows how much disability / difference in ability is under-acknowledged. Everyone deserves comfortably large pages to read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

So just experiment with say…eugenics?

WTAF. Please say this at a party I’m at. I dare you to say this aloud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

And the real reason comes out: rich people need more Americans to stay poor and stupid so they get cheap workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

There ya have it folks! Trump will just sort everyone into smart or stupid and your life can proceed accordingly. If you hit any roadblocks along the way then you better get back on track by 8th grade or else your life will just be hard labor, no health insurance and an early death. That’s that good old fashioned MAGA Efficiency!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

And the real reason comes out: rich people need more Americans to stay poor and stupid so they get cheap workers.

America is addicted to cheap labor, always has been. So if we stop immigration and deport current low-skilled workers, then duh! It’s not like the work won’t exist or they wages will go up. That would cut into profits!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

And the real reason comes out: rich people need more Americans to stay poor and stupid so they get cheap workers.

America is addicted to cheap labor, always has been. So if we stop immigration and deport current low-skilled workers, then duh! It’s not like the work won’t exist or they wages will go up. That would cut into profits!

Don't think the MAGA base really understands this at all.