Waiver for HB Woodlawn

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Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.

You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.

Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.

I agree that there are so many argumentative fallacies, but it's from the HB proponents. It's disinformation if someone disagrees with you, eh?

I'm the OP who is tired of paying for option schools becoming a way for privileged parents to get a better, even safer education for their children at the expense of others who could use the same. If you took all the VPI programs from the elementary schools and the English learner programs out of ArlTech and HB, I'm sure that you would truly have your white paradise with even "higher educational outcomes."

I also am the person who is cool with all option programs going away. HB-W has just over 700 children. With enrollment going down over the next several years, I'm sure they can be absorbed into the system, especially at the MS level. The last time I checked, APS will severely underfunded over the next several years. Sell the building to the county and get that big Rosslyn money for our schools. The career center site can be our 4th high school. The other option schools can relieve overcrowding, or be used as swing space for renovation.

If you want a HB type program, I'm sure you can use lessons learned in the neighborhood schools.

It sounds like you are saying that since everyone can't go to HB, no one should be able to go? So everything should be exactly uniform across all schools with no special programs or options for different environments or learning styles?

That just doesn't make sense. Many, many school districts in our area and across the country have special schools of some sort, whether magnet programs, tech focus, performing arts, etc. Yes, it means students must apply (through lottery, testing, auditions, etc) and not everyone who tries gets in, but overall these programs are beneficial and make the school system stronger and more desirable.

I'm saying that if you can't bring more equity into HB, then yes, it can't be a haven for rich white [but quirky] students either. Quirky doesn't apply for the marginalized. It's dangerous to be different if you're a poor child of color and multi marginalized.

I also know that whatever I said above in a pipe dream because too many rich white families benefit from HB-W and will fight for their kid's opportunities. I mean, look at this thread and others. So let's not pretend that you give one fcuk to those who aren't in your sphere.

I'm the pp and I'm not rich or white, but okay.... Your faux concern for my minority children is touching.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting eliminating HB entirely so that the poor children of color can continue in their status quo of dangerous multi-marginalization? Or are you suggesting HB become exclusively a haven for poor minority children? Either way, you sound angry and irrational.

I'm a minority too, so please sit down. I'm SAYING not even suggesting that HB will continue to exist as a haven for mostly white and/or privileged people. I vote to get rid of it, but I know I'm outnumbered. So it continues without any equity.

There’s nothing more equitable than a lottery system.

Yes, a lottery where all students participate. The process of registering for the lottery is an impediment, probably by design to filter for engaged parents.

Not all parents want their kid to go to HB. If they are not interested enough to engage and register in the lottery, they probably don't want their kid there. Which is fine, HB is not for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The blissfully unintentional irony of advocating for the destruction of all option programs because lotteries are so, so inequitable while at the same time arguing that families in Rosslyn (where the median income is $69K/year) should accept a school with no fields, pool, or sports as its neighborhood school. *chef's kiss*

Most people are saying they should expand representation in the program, making it HS only and larger, and making it an opt-out lottery — every 8th grader is entered, winners get a slot, and a chance to tour the school and learn about the program rather than some pamphlet.

I really like this plan. It would give a lot more kids a chance to have the HB experience--instead of 1 kid getting a spot for 7 years (for 6-12 grades), ~2 kids could each get to attend HS for 4 years each.

APS doesn’t want to make the school representative of APS demographics, if it did it would not be as high performing, and with zero high performing schools many wealthy families will just leave. Its secret sauce is that it has engaged parents and tends to be richer families.

Not sure what you mean by high performing. The school has mostly general ed students at best with high grade inflation to suggest otherwise, although my kid suggests that it skews more toward special ed learning since most classes are blended, including many AP classes. It also caps how much smart students can learn together with their cohort since many advanced ap classes are not offered on campus. There are also not enough seats in other AP classes to take in a traditional sequence since the few available seats are offered to seniors first. Thus a lower tier science class such as AP Bio would be effectively closed to underclassmen and at least some juniors.

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Anonymous wrote:The blissfully unintentional irony of advocating for the destruction of all option programs because lotteries are so, so inequitable while at the same time arguing that families in Rosslyn (where the median income is $69K/year) should accept a school with no fields, pool, or sports as its neighborhood school. *chef's kiss*

Most people are saying they should expand representation in the program, making it HS only and larger, and making it an opt-out lottery — every 8th grader is entered, winners get a slot, and a chance to tour the school and learn about the program rather than some pamphlet.

I really like this plan. It would give a lot more kids a chance to have the HB experience--instead of 1 kid getting a spot for 7 years (for 6-12 grades), ~2 kids could each get to attend HS for 4 years each.

APS doesn’t want to make the school representative of APS demographics, if it did it would not be as high performing, and with zero high performing schools many wealthy families will just leave. Its secret sauce is that it has engaged parents and tends to be richer families.

Not sure what you mean by high performing. The school has mostly general ed students at best with high grade inflation to suggest otherwise, although my kid suggests that it skews more toward special ed learning since most classes are blended, including many AP classes. It also caps how much smart students can learn together with their cohort since many advanced ap classes are not offered on campus. There are also not enough seats in other AP classes to take in a traditional sequence since the few available seats are offered to seniors first. Thus a lower tier science class such as AP Bio would be effectively closed to underclassmen and at least some juniors.

Agree, if you look at the college acceptance stats, I think a higher percentage of kids from HB go to college than from the three comprehensive schools, but I would not say that they overall go to more selective schools on average. They mostly go to VA schools or "regular" colleges, not highly selective schools (for those who would say "its like sending your kids to private school"). It's like sending your kids to Catholic school, in that sense, in that the student body is mainly college-bound, but not necessarily academically-selected.

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Anonymous wrote:The blissfully unintentional irony of advocating for the destruction of all option programs because lotteries are so, so inequitable while at the same time arguing that families in Rosslyn (where the median income is $69K/year) should accept a school with no fields, pool, or sports as its neighborhood school. *chef's kiss*

+1 incredible

I’m the person you are quoting and I was intentionally making the a point that we need seats and nobody is offering a solution. So I offered a ridiculous one. Irony is lost on those who are irrationally infuriated by non issues.

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Anonymous wrote:The blissfully unintentional irony of advocating for the destruction of all option programs because lotteries are so, so inequitable while at the same time arguing that families in Rosslyn (where the median income is $69K/year) should accept a school with no fields, pool, or sports as its neighborhood school. *chef's kiss*

+1 incredible

I’m the person you are quoting and I was intentionally making the a point that we need seats and nobody is offering a solution. So I offered a ridiculous one. Irony is lost on those who are irrationally infuriated by non issues.

So first you suggested that kids in Rosslyn (where income is generally lower than other Arlington areas) should get a neighborhood school with no fields or other facilities.
Then you doubled down on that proposition by saying the school board would have allowed it.
And now a week later you've come back to insist you were only being INTENTIONALLY IRONIC the whole time and didn't really mean it.
lol yes this all absolutely tracks, carry on.

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Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

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Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

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Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

How do you know this? Please be specific. You know the names of kids on the waitlist and the names of kids now going to H-B? You know the position of kids on the waitlist and that kids are now at H-B and they could not possibly be off the waitlist at this point? You used the plural--this is multiple kids? From which base schools? How do you know this? Social media? Family friends? You work at APS central?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

How do you know this? Please be specific. You know the names of kids on the waitlist and the names of kids now going to H-B? You know the position of kids on the waitlist and that kids are now at H-B and they could not possibly be off the waitlist at this point? You used the plural--this is multiple kids? From which base schools? How do you know this? Social media? Family friends? You work at APS central?

Thank you. I bet you'll get no answer. People like their conspiracy theories about HB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

How do you know this? Please be specific. You know the names of kids on the waitlist and the names of kids now going to H-B? You know the position of kids on the waitlist and that kids are now at H-B and they could not possibly be off the waitlist at this point? You used the plural--this is multiple kids? From which base schools? How do you know this? Social media? Family friends? You work at APS central?

Thank you. I bet you'll get no answer. People like their conspiracy theories about HB.

Agree -- "undeserving kids are getting into H-B" is the Arlington version of "immigrants are eating cats and dogs" -- red meat to a very specific constituency

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

How do you know this? Please be specific. You know the names of kids on the waitlist and the names of kids now going to H-B? You know the position of kids on the waitlist and that kids are now at H-B and they could not possibly be off the waitlist at this point? You used the plural--this is multiple kids? From which base schools? How do you know this? Social media? Family friends? You work at APS central?

All of the SB members who have kids in APS have kids in HB-W. I won't be too surprised if Miranda's kids magically get in too when its time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

How do you know this? Please be specific. You know the names of kids on the waitlist and the names of kids now going to H-B? You know the position of kids on the waitlist and that kids are now at H-B and they could not possibly be off the waitlist at this point? You used the plural--this is multiple kids? From which base schools? How do you know this? Social media? Family friends? You work at APS central?

Thank you. I bet you'll get no answer. People like their conspiracy theories about HB.

Agree -- "undeserving kids are getting into H-B" is the Arlington version of "immigrants are eating cats and dogs" -- red meat to a very specific constituency

Unmm, are you saying that APS Admin has zero say in sending kids who are struggling at their home school to HB? I know this for a fact to be wrong. Our neighbors child was waitlisted at HB. Reallly had a tough freshman year. Very involved parents. Child was placed at HB sophomore year. Child has several learning differences as well as medical needs. Not debilitating but still. APS moved this kid. It’s been really wonderful for this kid and kids family. May make a huge difference in his whole life for all I know.

I still think it’s deeply wrong and unfair. Either it’s a straight lottery and an unbiased waitlist or it isn’t. I don’t administrators should get to make this call. Sorry. I know people will disagree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Paul Weiss teaches at HB. He has no chance, but if he did, that’s a very HB/Option heavy sb.

No wonder the Montessori vote went the way that it did!

Don’t Miranda Turner’s kids go to MPSA? She voted against her own interest

I am so confused by Miranda Turner’s vote when she kids at MPSA. Anyone understand this?

Her kids will have moved on to HB-W along like Mary's and Bethany's kids before her by the time MPSA is finished.

I see. So selfish.

People who are trying to sidedoor into an option lottery school are also selfish since there's a waitlist of kids trying to get in. H-B has a number of kids who don't seem to be coming from the waitlist showing up.

How do you know this? Please be specific. You know the names of kids on the waitlist and the names of kids now going to H-B? You know the position of kids on the waitlist and that kids are now at H-B and they could not possibly be off the waitlist at this point? You used the plural--this is multiple kids? From which base schools? How do you know this? Social media? Family friends? You work at APS central?

Thank you. I bet you'll get no answer. People like their conspiracy theories about HB.

Agree -- "undeserving kids are getting into H-B" is the Arlington version of "immigrants are eating cats and dogs" -- red meat to a very specific constituency

So dumb. Comments like this is why we need separate classrooms for different levels of cognitive ability. People that are actually intelligent and engaged in their school communities know the shenanigans that happen in APS admin circles. Do you really not know any examples of people getting into, from the beginning or transferring into ATS and/or HB separate from the lottery? Since Tech is in demand, it probably includes them now, too. It's a known thing and the main problem I see is that they almost always seem to be not the normal kids: they're either bullies or the bullied, sped, or mental disorder kids. We were one of these categories that admin and teachers should have prevented but (protected the several mental 504 kids and) didn't until it got escalated above their pay grade. And somehow a spot opened up at one of the lottery schools over that summer without our even asking. How sererendipitous, right?