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If TJ has such smart kids, why so much cheating?
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Anonymous
70% were coming from 12 out of 29 schools. (the other 17 schools admitted 10 or fewer students so there were no numbers reported for them). The smart kids weren't evenly distributed across the middle schools. |
Anonymous
I'm like 60% convinced the poster is either a troll or a false flag trying to make the woke side of the argument sound stupid. The other 40% is convinced that the poster is a bitter racist who is pissed off that asians moved to fairfax and took all the spots from other kids (their kids). Don't underestimate the effect that "gentrification" of places like fairfax and loudon where middle class whites get crowded out by professional class asians. When you look at racism in this country, the hatred of blacks was bad but equally bad was the resentment that racists felt towards jews for daring to be more successful than whites. The whites coopted blacks into this same hatred by convincing them that jews were leapfrogging them in some unfair fashion. Same thing happened with east asians. Same thing is happening again with south asains. |
Anonymous
If social media postings are "evidence" then there is "evidence" for just about anything. There was nothing in the student newspaper about a stolen test There was nothing from a TV station about a stolen test unless there was some community access channel peddling these racist stories These are just stories that racists like you make up to feel like white people are superior to all others and any success achieved by other races is bestowed on them by the grace of white people. |
Anonymous
Here is a thread from 4 years ago if you feel like reading through 236 pages of comments. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/912482.page TLDR: Quant Q sold FCPS an unpreppable test that would give more "equitable results". It was the academic equivalent of an ambush so the results were more random. Then learning centers like curie and other places where students had been attending for years got feedback about the content and format of the test. Books became available on amazon https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788 But the quant q test makers still wouldn't release their tests so that FCPS could at least familiarize the students with the format. Imagine taking the SAT with no idea that analogies were on the test vs taking the SAT with the knowledge that analogies are on the test. It has nothing to do with IQ but the kids who knew that analogies were on the test suddenly got the top schores to the point where admitted curie students went from 50 to 80 and this jump caused pretty much every indian in northern virginia that was interested in TJ to go to curie. This increase in students led to another jump of indian students to 133. But the test questions were not actually repeated. Tests were never stolen. Noone did anything illegal and there was no news story. The benefit of curie for a motivated student 9that doesn't need a teacher to wlak them through everything got the same benefit from one of those amazon books. To be fair, that motivated student that got a book off amazon is probably the type of personality that will do better at TJ than the kid that has to be spoonfed. but at least they can digest the matieral even if theya re spoon fed. A lot of kids can't even do that. |
Anonymous
The article from the TJ student paper had nothing to do with Quant Q cheating. The student says she took prep that had a question bank. She would have been in 8th grade the year of 2013-2014, which was before the time of the Quant Q. This article that you keep citing as proof of a cheating scandal is nothing more than an opinion piece stating that prep gives an unfair advantage. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
And it certainly has nothing to do with race. |
Anonymous
This how lying liars tell lies. All fake news! |
Anonymous
I agree with you completely, but giving preference to people who are fine with gaming admissions will lead to even more cheating. |
Anonymous
Studying is not cheating. Only stupid people think that studying is cheating. We have actual research. Peer reviewed research that shows that overturns all the crap from that one stanford study that made people think that test results were invalid. SAT scores are MUCH more predictive of college success than GPA... by a lot. But the important bit is that SAT scores are very predictive of college academic success, and they are equally predictive for rich and poor alike. So if SAT scores were driven by wealth rather than academic ability, you would expect rich kids with 1500s to do worse than poor kids with 1500. But kids with 1500 do the same on average regardless of wealth. |
Anonymous
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Is it cheating to become a Scrabble champion memorizing the word list instead of learning the meanings of words?
That's what theaw last few pages are arguing about. |
Anonymous
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https://home.dartmouth.edu/sites/home/files/2024-02/sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf
Key highlights: SAT by itself explains about 22% of the variation in first-year GPA. High school GPA by itself explains 9% of the variation. The explained variation in first-year GPA rises to 25% when we include both high school GPA and SAT scores as predictors. In other words, the marginal contribution of high school GPA above SAT is only 3%. For a given SAT score, less-advantaged students have on average a slightly lower first-year GPA than more-advantaged students. If SAT scores were a downward biased predictor of academic performance for lower-income or first-generation students, we might have expected the opposite pattern. In the left two panels of the figure, we again show that score submission rates by underlying SAT score are quite similar for more- and less-advantaged applicants and by first generation status. However, based on data from the test-required cohorts, the right panels show that admissions probabilities vary greatly across groups holding SAT scores constant. For example, at an SAT score of 1400, less-advantaged students have twice the probability of admission of more-advantaged students. These relatively high-achieving less-advantaged students likely should submit their scores, as their score would benefit their application. Consider students with a score of 1450-1490 from less-advantaged backgrounds. These students increased their admission probability by a factor of 3.7x (from .02 to .074) by revealing their score. The test-optional policy thus led to Admissions not identifying these high-achieving applicants as highly prepared. This pattern does not hold for applicants from more-advantaged backgrounds; students from more-advantaged backgrounds had similar admissions probabilities with and without submitting their scores. This may be because Admissions has more experience reading transcripts from the schools these students attend. |
Anonymous
Nice attempt at a strawman, but no. Your analogy might hold if only a subset of participants who paid a lot of money had access to the dictionary. |
Anonymous
| All fcps students have access to the public libraries and public basketball courts? Based on their means and personal interest, they enroll in paid enrichment centers and paid sports leagues to take it further? |
Anonymous
Selection was limited to a few wealthy feeders where parents could afford outside enrichment that included access to many questions used on the test. It was a problem. The new process is more inclusive since it gives all FC residents equal access. |