How can rational people believe in any religion?

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Anonymous wrote:Just like how the “physics research scientist” never came back to explain how physics led her to believe in god: it isn’t a rational explanation.

Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world. They exist only in your mind to explain the unknown and fill the gaps.

As we learn more about the universe these gaps will continue to close.

“Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world.“

Citation?

You lecture everyone on how the world really is but lie and claim to know something no one knows. You are dishonest and lying willfully, why should anyone believe anything you say?

It’s not a lie; it’s reality.

If supernatural forces existed, we’d have at least one documented example of them, but we don’t.

Citation?

Why are you claiming that you know something no one else in history to this present day knows?

Everyone who isn’t brainwashed knows this.

You are expressing hard skeptical/anti-religious views, not an established facts.

You frame disagreement as stupidity or manipulation instead of engaging with why people believe differently.

Some people are more susceptible to supernatural beliefs:
“While supernatural tendencies can be put to good, social use, their primacy in our thinking seems to reflect a deep-rooted human need to understand this mysterious world around us.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strange-journeys/202307/the-psychological-origin-of-supernatural-thinking

“While this correlational study does not definitively prove how supernatural thinking originated, overall the results most strongly support the psychological perspective.”

Yes, none of us were there when the first caveman started worshipping the first “god”.

Historians and archaeologists avoid claiming certainty about whether prehistoric people believed in one god, many gods, spirits, ancestors, nature forces, or something else entirely.

But not anonymous dcum posters. They know things that have been debated by the greatest minds for centuries! How? Their opinion, the greatest opinions of all the opinions. Hail the mighty dcum atheist opinion.

It’s cute that the DCUM believer thinks their gods are any different than the caveman gods.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

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Anonymous wrote:Just like how the “physics research scientist” never came back to explain how physics led her to believe in god: it isn’t a rational explanation.

Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world. They exist only in your mind to explain the unknown and fill the gaps.

As we learn more about the universe these gaps will continue to close.

“Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world.“

Citation?

You lecture everyone on how the world really is but lie and claim to know something no one knows. You are dishonest and lying willfully, why should anyone believe anything you say?

It’s not a lie; it’s reality.

If supernatural forces existed, we’d have at least one documented example of them, but we don’t.

Citation?

Why are you claiming that you know something no one else in history to this present day knows?

Everyone who isn’t brainwashed knows this.

You are expressing hard skeptical/anti-religious views, not an established facts.

You frame disagreement as stupidity or manipulation instead of engaging with why people believe differently.

Some people are more susceptible to supernatural beliefs:
“While supernatural tendencies can be put to good, social use, their primacy in our thinking seems to reflect a deep-rooted human need to understand this mysterious world around us.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strange-journeys/202307/the-psychological-origin-of-supernatural-thinking

“While this correlational study does not definitively prove how supernatural thinking originated, overall the results most strongly support the psychological perspective.”

Yes, none of us were there when the first caveman started worshipping the first “god”.

Historians and archaeologists avoid claiming certainty about whether prehistoric people believed in one god, many gods, spirits, ancestors, nature forces, or something else entirely.

But not anonymous dcum posters. They know things that have been debated by the greatest minds for centuries! How? Their opinion, the greatest opinions of all the opinions. Hail the mighty dcum atheist opinion.

It’s cute that the DCUM believer thinks their gods are any different than the caveman gods.

It’s not cute that historians and archeologists and anthropologists don’t know if prehistoric man worshiped gods but you insist they did. It’s lying. You are lying.

It’s human nature to make up explanations for the unknown. A tale as old as time.

Given that we don’t have any written records from prehistoric civilizations we will never know exactly who or what they worshipped but the evidence is there that they did in some form.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/the-gobekli-tepe-ruins-and-the-origins-of-neolithic-religion/

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Anonymous wrote:Just like how the “physics research scientist” never came back to explain how physics led her to believe in god: it isn’t a rational explanation.

Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world. They exist only in your mind to explain the unknown and fill the gaps.

As we learn more about the universe these gaps will continue to close.

“Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world.“

Citation?

You lecture everyone on how the world really is but lie and claim to know something no one knows. You are dishonest and lying willfully, why should anyone believe anything you say?

It’s not a lie; it’s reality.

If supernatural forces existed, we’d have at least one documented example of them, but we don’t.

Citation?

Why are you claiming that you know something no one else in history to this present day knows?

Everyone who isn’t brainwashed knows this.

You are expressing hard skeptical/anti-religious views, not an established facts.

You frame disagreement as stupidity or manipulation instead of engaging with why people believe differently.

Some people are more susceptible to supernatural beliefs:
“While supernatural tendencies can be put to good, social use, their primacy in our thinking seems to reflect a deep-rooted human need to understand this mysterious world around us.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strange-journeys/202307/the-psychological-origin-of-supernatural-thinking

“While this correlational study does not definitively prove how supernatural thinking originated, overall the results most strongly support the psychological perspective.”

Yes, none of us were there when the first caveman started worshipping the first “god”.

Historians and archaeologists avoid claiming certainty about whether prehistoric people believed in one god, many gods, spirits, ancestors, nature forces, or something else entirely.

But not anonymous dcum posters. They know things that have been debated by the greatest minds for centuries! How? Their opinion, the greatest opinions of all the opinions. Hail the mighty dcum atheist opinion.

It’s cute that the DCUM believer thinks their gods are any different than the caveman gods.

It’s not cute that historians and archeologists and anthropologists don’t know if prehistoric man worshiped gods but you insist they did. It’s lying. You are lying.

It’s human nature to make up explanations for the unknown. A tale as old as time.

Given that we don’t have any written records from prehistoric civilizations we will never know exactly who or what they worshipped but the evidence is there that they did in some form.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/the-gobekli-tepe-ruins-and-the-origins-of-neolithic-religion/

The article is asking if the site was a religious site. Nobody knows. It’s possible but nobody is sure.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

That’s a serenity prayer.

It’s not a wish.

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Anonymous wrote:Just like how the “physics research scientist” never came back to explain how physics led her to believe in god: it isn’t a rational explanation.

Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world. They exist only in your mind to explain the unknown and fill the gaps.

As we learn more about the universe these gaps will continue to close.

“Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world.“

Citation?

You lecture everyone on how the world really is but lie and claim to know something no one knows. You are dishonest and lying willfully, why should anyone believe anything you say?

It’s not a lie; it’s reality.

If supernatural forces existed, we’d have at least one documented example of them, but we don’t.

Citation?

Why are you claiming that you know something no one else in history to this present day knows?

Everyone who isn’t brainwashed knows this.

You are expressing hard skeptical/anti-religious views, not an established facts.

You frame disagreement as stupidity or manipulation instead of engaging with why people believe differently.

Some people are more susceptible to supernatural beliefs:
“While supernatural tendencies can be put to good, social use, their primacy in our thinking seems to reflect a deep-rooted human need to understand this mysterious world around us.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strange-journeys/202307/the-psychological-origin-of-supernatural-thinking

“While this correlational study does not definitively prove how supernatural thinking originated, overall the results most strongly support the psychological perspective.”

Yes, none of us were there when the first caveman started worshipping the first “god”.

Historians and archaeologists avoid claiming certainty about whether prehistoric people believed in one god, many gods, spirits, ancestors, nature forces, or something else entirely.

But not anonymous dcum posters. They know things that have been debated by the greatest minds for centuries! How? Their opinion, the greatest opinions of all the opinions. Hail the mighty dcum atheist opinion.

It’s cute that the DCUM believer thinks their gods are any different than the caveman gods.

It’s not cute that historians and archeologists and anthropologists don’t know if prehistoric man worshiped gods but you insist they did. It’s lying. You are lying.

It’s human nature to make up explanations for the unknown. A tale as old as time.

Given that we don’t have any written records from prehistoric civilizations we will never know exactly who or what they worshipped but the evidence is there that they did in some form.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/the-gobekli-tepe-ruins-and-the-origins-of-neolithic-religion/

The article is asking if the site was a religious site. Nobody knows. It’s possible but nobody is sure.

It could be an example of a caveman’s laboratory for all we know. The first scientists doing experiments and testing theories in a centralized laboratory.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

https://www.gotquestions.org/whatever-you-ask-in-my-name.html

“When Jesus says to pray “in my name,” He means that we can pray in His authority. He has provided the access we need to heaven. When our requests, made in the name of His Son, further God’s purposes and kingdom, God will act on our behalf, and in the end the Father will be “glorified in the Son” (John 14:13).”

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

Cool. I know plenty of people who believe this. Openly. It doesn’t matter if the exact word “wish” is used or not. That’s just semantics.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

That’s a serenity prayer.

It’s not a wish.

People wish for god to grant them those things.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

The Serenity Prayer is considered a prayer rather than a wish, because it is directed toward God and asks for guidance, strength, and wisdom.

This specific prayer is also different from a wish because it focuses less on controlling the world and more on changing oneself.

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Anonymous wrote:Just like how the “physics research scientist” never came back to explain how physics led her to believe in god: it isn’t a rational explanation.

Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world. They exist only in your mind to explain the unknown and fill the gaps.

As we learn more about the universe these gaps will continue to close.

“Supernatural forces don’t exist in the real world.“

Citation?

You lecture everyone on how the world really is but lie and claim to know something no one knows. You are dishonest and lying willfully, why should anyone believe anything you say?

It’s not a lie; it’s reality.

If supernatural forces existed, we’d have at least one documented example of them, but we don’t.

Citation?

Why are you claiming that you know something no one else in history to this present day knows?

Everyone who isn’t brainwashed knows this.

You are expressing hard skeptical/anti-religious views, not an established facts.

You frame disagreement as stupidity or manipulation instead of engaging with why people believe differently.

Some people are more susceptible to supernatural beliefs:
“While supernatural tendencies can be put to good, social use, their primacy in our thinking seems to reflect a deep-rooted human need to understand this mysterious world around us.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strange-journeys/202307/the-psychological-origin-of-supernatural-thinking

“While this correlational study does not definitively prove how supernatural thinking originated, overall the results most strongly support the psychological perspective.”

Yes, none of us were there when the first caveman started worshipping the first “god”.

Historians and archaeologists avoid claiming certainty about whether prehistoric people believed in one god, many gods, spirits, ancestors, nature forces, or something else entirely.

But not anonymous dcum posters. They know things that have been debated by the greatest minds for centuries! How? Their opinion, the greatest opinions of all the opinions. Hail the mighty dcum atheist opinion.

It’s cute that the DCUM believer thinks their gods are any different than the caveman gods.

It’s not cute that historians and archeologists and anthropologists don’t know if prehistoric man worshiped gods but you insist they did. It’s lying. You are lying.

It’s human nature to make up explanations for the unknown. A tale as old as time.

Given that we don’t have any written records from prehistoric civilizations we will never know exactly who or what they worshipped but the evidence is there that they did in some form.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/the-gobekli-tepe-ruins-and-the-origins-of-neolithic-religion/

The article is asking if the site was a religious site. Nobody knows. It’s possible but nobody is sure.

Right. Just like I said — given that we don’t have any written records from prehistoric civilizations we will never know exactly who or what they worshipped but the evidence is there that they did in some form. Burial rituals. Fertility idols. Stone structures.

Documented religions existed thousands of years before Christianity.

The guys who wrote the Bible didn’t invent religion.

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Anonymous wrote:For me it’s the concept of prayer. It just doesn’t make sense. That a loving benevolent god would answer some prayers and not others. Deem some worthy of saving and not others, especially innocent children. It just cannot be reconciled with any modern definition of religion.

Eastern religions are more based on practice than belief. When you see prayer as practice for yourself to meditate and find a good answer, prayer ceases to be confusing. Because there is no God who grants wishes. Prayer is just a mechanism to reach higher intellect.

There are definitely many, particularly in the US, who believe God grants wishes.

That’s false. No where on the Bible does it state God grants wishes.

I did not state it was in the Bible. I said many in the US believe God grants wishes and they do. They believe God will solve their infertility, help them afford a house, cure their cancer, elect the right president. You name it, they believe God is going to do it because they prayed for it. “The power of prayer.” They absolutely believe this.

Asking God in prayer is different than asking a genie to grant a wish.

People ask God for help in prayer for every human hope and fear imaginable.

People pray for help and healing for other people, even people they don’t personally know.

People use prayer as confession, meditation, worship, surrender, reflection, or to feel connected to something greater than oneself.

Even people who are unsure whether God exists sometimes pray during moments of fear, grief, love, or desperation.

You are offended that someone is praying privately and not harming, pressuring, or targeting anyone, it says more about you (and none of it flattering) than the person praying to God.

I did not say I was offended and am not offended. I was merely refuting the claim that people don’t think God grants wishes. There are DEFINITELY people who think that they wanted something, prayed to God about it, and then received it because they prayed. If that’s not believing in wish granting, I’m not sure what is.

I don’t know a single person who ever once said they are going to make a wish to God and He would grant it. Not one person. Ever. Who in your life said that they are going to make a wish to God so he could grant their wish?

The Serenity Prayer is considered a prayer rather than a wish, because it is directed toward God and asks for guidance, strength, and wisdom.

This specific prayer is also different from a wish because it focuses less on controlling the world and more on changing oneself.

Prayers are wishes.

People say this prayer because they want god to grant them those things.

[Anonymous]

When you “pray” to God to receive a specific outcome, say a medical outcome or to be chosen for a job or a promotion or something - all things people definitely pray about - how is that not asking God to grant a wish? I don’t see any difference.

[Anonymous]

https://hillcrestupc.org/sermon/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/

“because he sees the chariots of fire, we know that God granted Elisha’s wish.

When our wishes are granted, it can seem like a dream come true. But sometimes, granted wishes come with unexpected consequences.”