Incident at Odessa Shannon MS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

This is quite the obnoxious take.

How can parents parent when they have zero control on the environment their children are in at the time of the incident? I guarantee Lenny’s mother would have never let this happen. And hopefully the other student’s mother.

But that’s not what we are taking about. No one is raising children in a school. We get that. But 100x yes - MCPS failed in their job of SUPERVISION.

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If the “parents” posting in support of MCPS are in fact parents, they are sycophants who feel a compulsion to do damage control for MCPS and to hold MCPS blameless for failing to supervise children under their care. Absolutely disgusting.

DP-nope. I'm a parent. I do not expect MCPS to teach my kids right from wrong. I expect them to teach math, English, social studies, etc...This would not have happened if they were raised right. What is absolutely disgusting is parents relying on everyone else but themselves to raise their kids and then conveniently blaming everyone else when their kid messes up.

How are you holding parents responsible for this incident when the parents you are disparaging without knowing anything about them, were not present when the incident occurred? However, both the victim and the attacker were under the supervision of MCPS, but you hold MCPS blameless even though they were the ones responsible for supervising the children at the time of the incident.

You make absolutely no sense.

[Anonymous]

MCPS is not to blame. When they bury their head in the sand they could not see or predict anything. They fired a lot of teachers over the years who would report violent students. It makes great optics. Teachers take the fall event though we try to prevent in order to keep kids safe. It's sad when admin retaliates against us for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

This is quite the obnoxious take.

How can parents parent when they have zero control on the environment their children are in at the time of the incident? I guarantee Lenny’s mother would have never let this happen. And hopefully the other student’s mother.

But that’s not what we are taking about. No one is raising children in a school. We get that. But 100x yes - MCPS failed in their job of SUPERVISION.

+1

If the “parents” posting in support of MCPS are in fact parents, they are sycophants who feel a compulsion to do damage control for MCPS and to hold MCPS blameless for failing to supervise children under their care. Absolutely disgusting.

DP-nope. I'm a parent. I do not expect MCPS to teach my kids right from wrong. I expect them to teach math, English, social studies, etc...This would not have happened if they were raised right. What is absolutely disgusting is parents relying on everyone else but themselves to raise their kids and then conveniently blaming everyone else when their kid messes up.

How are you holding parents responsible for this incident when the parents you are disparaging without knowing anything about them, were not present when the incident occurred? However, both the victim and the attacker were under the supervision of MCPS, but you hold MCPS blameless even though they were the ones responsible for supervising the children at the time of the incident.

You make absolutely no sense.

Um, do you know how to read? The PP's point is clear and concise. Parents should teach their kids about bullying and how to deal with it. Hint: it's not throwing a metal object at a student's head. Parents need to do better as a whole. The shift in mentality has been VERY apparent as we see a generation of children being raised by ipads and parents who don't want to do the work. But sure, it's easier to blame MCPS because then it removes all blame from parents who don't want the responsibility of being parents in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

This is quite the obnoxious take.

How can parents parent when they have zero control on the environment their children are in at the time of the incident? I guarantee Lenny’s mother would have never let this happen. And hopefully the other student’s mother.

But that’s not what we are taking about. No one is raising children in a school. We get that. But 100x yes - MCPS failed in their job of SUPERVISION.

+1

If the “parents” posting in support of MCPS are in fact parents, they are sycophants who feel a compulsion to do damage control for MCPS and to hold MCPS blameless for failing to supervise children under their care. Absolutely disgusting.

DP-nope. I'm a parent. I do not expect MCPS to teach my kids right from wrong. I expect them to teach math, English, social studies, etc...This would not have happened if they were raised right. What is absolutely disgusting is parents relying on everyone else but themselves to raise their kids and then conveniently blaming everyone else when their kid messes up.

How are you holding parents responsible for this incident when the parents you are disparaging without knowing anything about them, were not present when the incident occurred? However, both the victim and the attacker were under the supervision of MCPS, but you hold MCPS blameless even though they were the ones responsible for supervising the children at the time of the incident.

You make absolutely no sense.

Um, do you know how to read? The PP's point is clear and concise. Parents should teach their kids about bullying and how to deal with it. Hint: it's not throwing a metal object at a student's head. Parents need to do better as a whole. The shift in mentality has been VERY apparent as we see a generation of children being raised by ipads and parents who don't want to do the work. But sure, it's easier to blame MCPS because then it removes all blame from parents who don't want the responsibility of being parents in the first place.

You are talking in circles about everything besides the point and also making up facts about people you know nothing about.

Regardless of how good of a parent you think these people are, the fundamental fact is that they were under the supervision of MCPS when it happened, not their parents.

So: Where were the responsible MCPS adults before and during the incident and why didn’t they prevent or respond to the incident appropriately?

That is the issue at hand and that is what MCPS solely is accountable for, not the parents.

[Anonymous]

Beyond horrifying that this happened.

Question about kids bullying others and PE class. (God Bless PE teachers as this is I'm sure not uncommon). Wouldn't ask unless genuinely concerned.

Can a 504 get a kid out of PE if they're being bullied? No issue with physical fitness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Beyond horrifying that this happened.

Question about kids bullying others and PE class. (God Bless PE teachers as this is I'm sure not uncommon). Wouldn't ask unless genuinely concerned.

Can a 504 get a kid out of PE if they're being bullied? No issue with physical fitness.

No, you cannot get out of a class for being bullied. MCPS failed to supervise and protect both kids but what the one child did was unthinkable and may have caused a life long injury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

It absolutely could have happened to any of our kids, and it will happen again until MCPS addresses the safety issues in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

It absolutely could have happened to any of our kids, and it will happen again until MCPS addresses the safety issues in schools.

This is not really an honest concern to MCPS. A far bigger concern is faux racism, which will yield a community letter from Peter Moran. But when a kid is intubated on MCPS’s watch, with a real life child being harmed, our beleaguered Chief if Schools has been bizarrely silent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

It absolutely could have happened to any of our kids, and it will happen again until MCPS addresses the safety issues in schools.

This is not really an honest concern to MCPS. A far bigger concern is faux racism, which will yield a community letter from Peter Moran. But when a kid is intubated on MCPS’s watch, with a real life child being harmed, our beleaguered Chief if Schools has been bizarrely silent.

I don't consider that racism. They are silent as they were responsible and ultimately it comes back to them so they are trying to pretend they aren't responsible or taking any responsibility. They KNOW they have a safety issue in the schools and refuse to fix it. Moran needs to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

Maybe he wouldn’t have bullied a child to their final act. Yeahs it looks cool to represent the victim but he was the bully in the first place. No one wants to talk about that. (Did she handle it in the wrong way- absolutely) but he’s not innocent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

Maybe he wouldn’t have bullied a child to their final act. Yeahs it looks cool to represent the victim but he was the bully in the first place. No one wants to talk about that. (Did she handle it in the wrong way- absolutely) but he’s not innocent.

This is a special needs. He didn't have the level of awareness other his age may have. However, if there was supervision, all of this could have been prevented. He should have been redirected or removed from the situation. When the kids started chasing him, a teacher or security guard should have been right behind them to defuse the situation.

There is no excuse for throwing a metal object at another child, especially in the head, which now has possible life long consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

Maybe he wouldn’t have bullied a child to their final act. Yeahs it looks cool to represent the victim but he was the bully in the first place. No one wants to talk about that. (Did she handle it in the wrong way- absolutely) but he’s not innocent.

This is a special needs. He didn't have the level of awareness other his age may have. However, if there was supervision, all of this could have been prevented. He should have been redirected or removed from the situation. When the kids started chasing him, a teacher or security guard should have been right behind them to defuse the situation.

There is no excuse for throwing a metal object at another child, especially in the head, which now has possible life long consequences.

Stop using special needs as an excuse for bad behavior. Not speaking about Lenny specifically, but I have witnessed a number of "special needs" students who absolutely were the aggressors and knew what they were doing. Special needs can cover such a range these days. The kids I knew absolutely should have been punished when they were the aggressor and not gotten off lightly because they were "special needs" and a "victim".

[Anonymous]

Was the young lady suspended / expelled at least? ( I tried to look back but missed this)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed for this family. Lawsuit. Big time. And I would go after MCPS AND the kid's family who did this.

Just because something happened at MCPS does not mean MCPS is at fault. There is so much speculation and reaction to the speculation.

Why would you even think to defend MCPS!? They are the defacto guardian while children are at school. You would question a babysitter or daycare provider wouldn’t you? 💯 they are liable and must be held accountable. How many of these incidents do we NOT know of? That’s more concerning.

+1 In Loco Parentis is a legal principle that establishes the duty of care a school owes children under their supervision. The term is Latin for “in place of a parent”. So yes, OSMS was the de facto parent for Lenny and he nearly lost his life while under their care. A seven figure lawsuit will send a strong message to all of MCPS: Step up and do your job. Another poster said this, and I agree, it could have happened to any of our kids.

Maybe he wouldn’t have bullied a child to their final act. Yeahs it looks cool to represent the victim but he was the bully in the first place. No one wants to talk about that. (Did she handle it in the wrong way- absolutely) but he’s not innocent.

This is a special needs. He didn't have the level of awareness other his age may have. However, if there was supervision, all of this could have been prevented. He should have been redirected or removed from the situation. When the kids started chasing him, a teacher or security guard should have been right behind them to defuse the situation.

There is no excuse for throwing a metal object at another child, especially in the head, which now has possible life long consequences.

Stop using special needs as an excuse for bad behavior. Not speaking about Lenny specifically, but I have witnessed a number of "special needs" students who absolutely were the aggressors and knew what they were doing. Special needs can cover such a range these days. The kids I knew absolutely should have been punished when they were the aggressor and not gotten off lightly because they were "special needs" and a "victim".

The clarification actually makes a difference. It’s not an excuse - but was this a manifestation of his disability?

That is a question that will be asked. What also will be asked if there was a history of this behavior by either party, when and how was it addressed?

All these variables play into how this is handled and what legal repercussions MCPS face. They have a duty to ensure a safe environment and by not addressing issues, they failed.