All the boundary options are bad for the DCC-- how do we organize against that? (Any ideas for alternative options?)

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

DP
While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

Sounds like you are trying to stop people from demanding that the County Council request for data from MCPS on:
- Courses offered and student enrollment for each course at each school
- for each school, number of classes taken at other schools by students enrolled at that school, and where they took the classes and which classes

Your logic makes no sense. If the county council wanted it, they would ask for it. Same with the BOE. You can do an information request and share it. This is a done deal. Debating it isn't going to make a difference. The W's will continue to be "good" schools and the other schools will decline and there may be higher farms rates with flight. The principals, MCPS, BOE and county council have had many opportunities to clean it up and instead its continued to decline.

You sounds threatened.

Threatened by what? Why are you agreeing to this and think its a good idea?

Its veyr much a done deal.

I think they are absolutely going to eliminate the DCC and NEC and are probably right to do that. I think the regional program model is going to be a disaster, at least for the first several years.

I also think transparency can help in tangible ways. You are discouraging it. Why is that?

The regional model is also going to destroy county-wide or semi-county-wide successful programs (VAPA, SMCS, GE, RMIB), not only at HS level, but also middle school level (see the other thread about eliminating MS magnet humanity curriculum). And more than half of the new regional programs are CTE-oriented.

So CO is basically conducting a top-down massacre to merit-based, academically rigorous education.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

DP
While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

Sounds like you are trying to stop people from demanding that the County Council request for data from MCPS on:
- Courses offered and student enrollment for each course at each school
- for each school, number of classes taken at other schools by students enrolled at that school, and where they took the classes and which classes

Your logic makes no sense. If the county council wanted it, they would ask for it. Same with the BOE. You can do an information request and share it. This is a done deal. Debating it isn't going to make a difference. The W's will continue to be "good" schools and the other schools will decline and there may be higher farms rates with flight. The principals, MCPS, BOE and county council have had many opportunities to clean it up and instead its continued to decline.

You sounds threatened.

Threatened by what? Why are you agreeing to this and think its a good idea?

Its veyr much a done deal.

your attitude is sad.

Why is it sad? MCPS has decided this is what they are doing and going ahead despite expressed concerns. The BOE could stop it and isn't. The County Council can firmly come out and say they are not giving any extra funding so figure out how to make this work, and they aren't. The W schools will be fine... its the rest of the schools that will not creating an even bigger divide.

it is sad because you are so defeatist and whiney. you complain but say nothing can be done. do something to help your child(ren) if you don't feel MCPS is helping them.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

So no qualifications just demand? How can they possibly think they will replicate Blair or RMIB. I guess kids will struggle and drop.

The type of students Blair and RMIB bring in will be fine regardless of where they go, their home schools will get richer while the the Blair and RM will now reflect their native demographics and test scores at which point I assure you it will be obvious it isn’t the program it’s the kids.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

DP
While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

This will all be determined before the next elections.

Thats a bad move on the BOE part as anyone opposed or impacted negatively will vote accordingly.

That's the nature of holding elected office. They all know this going in.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

DP
While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

Sounds like you are trying to stop people from demanding that the County Council request for data from MCPS on:
- Courses offered and student enrollment for each course at each school
- for each school, number of classes taken at other schools by students enrolled at that school, and where they took the classes and which classes

Your logic makes no sense. If the county council wanted it, they would ask for it. Same with the BOE. You can do an information request and share it. This is a done deal. Debating it isn't going to make a difference. The W's will continue to be "good" schools and the other schools will decline and there may be higher farms rates with flight. The principals, MCPS, BOE and county council have had many opportunities to clean it up and instead its continued to decline.

You sounds threatened.

Threatened by what? Why are you agreeing to this and think its a good idea?

Its veyr much a done deal.

your attitude is sad.

Why is it sad? MCPS has decided this is what they are doing and going ahead despite expressed concerns. The BOE could stop it and isn't. The County Council can firmly come out and say they are not giving any extra funding so figure out how to make this work, and they aren't. The W schools will be fine... its the rest of the schools that will not creating an even bigger divide.

it is sad because you are so defeatist and whiney. you complain but say nothing can be done. do something to help your child(ren) if you don't feel MCPS is helping them.

So, what do you propose to do about it? You think testifying helps? No

We are doing something about it. We pay for tutoring and extracurricular activities outside of MCPS and spend a significant amount of money monthly to ensure our kids have access to better academics, private lessons, and opportunities to pursue their interests.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

So no qualifications just demand? How can they possibly think they will replicate Blair or RMIB. I guess kids will struggle and drop.

The type of students Blair and RMIB bring in will be fine regardless of where they go, their home schools will get richer while the the Blair and RM will now reflect their native demographics and test scores at which point I assure you it will be obvious it isn’t the program it’s the kids.

They will not be fine if they go back to their home schools and don't have the course offerings. MCPS puts some kids on Algebra in 6th or 7th, which means MV to meet graduation requirements, for example. They will not be competitive for UMD Engineering and CS because of the lack of course offerings, clubs and other stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

DP
While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

Sounds like you are trying to stop people from demanding that the County Council request for data from MCPS on:
- Courses offered and student enrollment for each course at each school
- for each school, number of classes taken at other schools by students enrolled at that school, and where they took the classes and which classes

Your logic makes no sense. If the county council wanted it, they would ask for it. Same with the BOE. You can do an information request and share it. This is a done deal. Debating it isn't going to make a difference. The W's will continue to be "good" schools and the other schools will decline and there may be higher farms rates with flight. The principals, MCPS, BOE and county council have had many opportunities to clean it up and instead its continued to decline.

You sounds threatened.

Threatened by what? Why are you agreeing to this and think its a good idea?

Its veyr much a done deal.

I think they are absolutely going to eliminate the DCC and NEC and are probably right to do that. I think the regional program model is going to be a disaster, at least for the first several years.

I also think transparency can help in tangible ways. You are discouraging it. Why is that?

The regional model is also going to destroy county-wide or semi-county-wide successful programs (VAPA, SMCS, GE, RMIB), not only at HS level, but also middle school level (see the other thread about eliminating MS magnet humanity curriculum). And more than half of the new regional programs are CTE-oriented.

So CO is basically conducting a top-down massacre to merit-based, academically rigorous education.

The sad part is that there is no funding to fix the issues with the low test scores and reading/writing/math struggles. These kids have no chance of catching up as they are set up to fail and continue to fail.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

DP
While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

Sounds like you are trying to stop people from demanding that the County Council request for data from MCPS on:
- Courses offered and student enrollment for each course at each school
- for each school, number of classes taken at other schools by students enrolled at that school, and where they took the classes and which classes

Your logic makes no sense. If the county council wanted it, they would ask for it. Same with the BOE. You can do an information request and share it. This is a done deal. Debating it isn't going to make a difference. The W's will continue to be "good" schools and the other schools will decline and there may be higher farms rates with flight. The principals, MCPS, BOE and county council have had many opportunities to clean it up and instead its continued to decline.

You sounds threatened.

Threatened by what? Why are you agreeing to this and think its a good idea?

Its veyr much a done deal.

your attitude is sad.

Why is it sad? MCPS has decided this is what they are doing and going ahead despite expressed concerns. The BOE could stop it and isn't. The County Council can firmly come out and say they are not giving any extra funding so figure out how to make this work, and they aren't. The W schools will be fine... its the rest of the schools that will not creating an even bigger divide.

it is sad because you are so defeatist and whiney. you complain but say nothing can be done. do something to help your child(ren) if you don't feel MCPS is helping them.

So, what do you propose to do about it? You think testifying helps? No

We are doing something about it. We pay for tutoring and extracurricular activities outside of MCPS and spend a significant amount of money monthly to ensure our kids have access to better academics, private lessons, and opportunities to pursue their interests.

yes, what you are doing in terms of supplementing outside of school is the thing to do. As you argue so vociferously, MCPS won't change. The only thing to do is help your children otherwise.

This is the tale of public schools. It is what it is.

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the other option besides supplementation is to move. We did that due to dissatisfaction with our previous public school. We aren't religious so didn't want a parochial (and less expensive) private, and can't afford the local non-parochials. The most affordable thing to do was relocate.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

So no qualifications just demand? How can they possibly think they will replicate Blair or RMIB. I guess kids will struggle and drop.

The type of students Blair and RMIB bring in will be fine regardless of where they go, their home schools will get richer while the the Blair and RM will now reflect their native demographics and test scores at which point I assure you it will be obvious it isn’t the program it’s the kids.

Your response misses the point unless you are just acknowledging that there will be no more enriched magnets for any one

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wanting advanced course offerings are not longer able to go to other schools (at least at the same rate as occurs with the DCC) wouldn’t there be more kids at Einstein demanding the advanced courses? Wouldn’t that create the needed demand?

Families are demanding it now but are told its a funding/staffing issue.

Right bc a bunch of kids that would enroll are going to other schools. The end of the DCC fixes that problem, yes?

They keep the numbers equal so even if all those kids were at Einstein it wouldn't change as then they wouldn't let other kids lottery into Einstein.

That’s about overall numbers not about demand for advanced coursework. The whole purpose of the DCC was so that kids interested in a thing could go to a different school. Ergo it seems, based on the statements here, that the critical mass of students needed to support a class is lotterying to a different school.

Whatever draw Einstein had in the DcC did not appear to be the offering of advanced class work.

The DCC academies weren't focused on advanced class work, they were focused on themed elective tracks.

Understood. Do other schools in the DCC offer the advanced coursework that Einstein lacks? Would a student interested in that advanced coursework lottery into the other school?

Yes, Blair and Wheaton would be the STEM-oriented schools which Einstein students might try to lottery into. But there are only a limited number of spots.

+1 let's say with the current DCC model 1/4 of students out of 2000 zoned for Einstein are stem oriented in their interests. So 500. So 125 per grade. And let's say of those more than half, let's say 75, are currently choosing and getting Wheaton or Blair through the DCC choice process. That leaves 50 per grade that are focused on STEM (and some might be more math vs science vs engineering).

Now with the new boundaries there are 1600 kids total, 400 per grade and 100 stem focused kids. Now, only 20 per grade get into outside programs. That leaves 80 per grade focused on stem or an addition section.

Caveat that I made up all the math above.

How do you figure only 20 kids would get into outside programs? MCPS has said their goal is to have no waitlists for these programs and have enough seats to meet the full demand.

So no qualifications just demand? How can they possibly think they will replicate Blair or RMIB. I guess kids will struggle and drop.

The type of students Blair and RMIB bring in will be fine regardless of where they go, their home schools will get richer while the the Blair and RM will now reflect their native demographics and test scores at which point I assure you it will be obvious it isn’t the program it’s the kids.

Your response misses the point unless you are just acknowledging that there will be no more enriched magnets for any one

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Anonymous wrote:So how is the DCC uniquely screwed by the new boundary options? The OP never said. The focus is solely on the end of the lotterying to other schools.

There is nothing here which screw DCC specifically. Lotterying to other schools in large number shouldn;t exist anyway. It helps kids winning the lotery but harms kids who are left behind when schools become unequal. Everyone attending home school will help with keeping motivated kids in home school and stronger course offerings.

They will not give stronger course offerings, especially with the reduction in staffing. The schools are not equal or close by any means. You are forced to MC if you can make it work,go without or cosa. At least with the dcc you could try.

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While I think there are good reasons to oppose the regional model, I think we need to read the room. There are numerous equity concerns wrt the DCC which mainly benefits wealthier DCC kids that are willing to travel. It has been detrimental to Kennedy for example and to Einstein to a lesser extent. Demanding to keep the DCC is not going to be successful. I think focusing on inequality in course offerings is a better strategy. Demand they publish lists of courses offered and students enrolled in them by school.

Transportation is a huge issue but so is number of open seats at each school. They cannot fix the course offerings with the current admin so that a good but moot point. There are some admin who don’t believe or want ap classes and treat the so students very differently if you reach out with a concern. What will happen is more families will move or go private. Our plan is private if this happens.

So make them come out and say it. Publish the data for every school. Which courses are being offered and how many students are taking them.

You can look at any schools course offerings and see what is offered that year. It’s no secret. It’s pretty well known for that administrator. Nothing you can do but find a solution on your own. Forget asking them for help and the guidance counselors need their approval or they cannot help either.

Publish it in one place with enrollment numbers for each course. The enrollment is important.

Sorry, MCPS does not believe in accountability, transparency and all those things taxpayers deserve.

The Council can request these numbers. They can request it every year.

They can but don't.

Demand it. People showed up on Thursday. Keep showing up and demand something they can't pretend they can't do. There are a lot of things the Council actually can't do but this is something they absolutely can do.

Demand what? People have demanded things before and got stonewalled. This is a hopeless cause. The only thing we can do is vote the BOE and county council out as they have failed us.

Sounds like you are trying to stop people from demanding that the County Council request for data from MCPS on:
- Courses offered and student enrollment for each course at each school
- for each school, number of classes taken at other schools by students enrolled at that school, and where they took the classes and which classes

Your logic makes no sense. If the county council wanted it, they would ask for it. Same with the BOE. You can do an information request and share it. This is a done deal. Debating it isn't going to make a difference. The W's will continue to be "good" schools and the other schools will decline and there may be higher farms rates with flight. The principals, MCPS, BOE and county council have had many opportunities to clean it up and instead its continued to decline.

You sounds threatened.

Threatened by what? Why are you agreeing to this and think its a good idea?

Its veyr much a done deal.

your attitude is sad.

Why is it sad? MCPS has decided this is what they are doing and going ahead despite expressed concerns. The BOE could stop it and isn't. The County Council can firmly come out and say they are not giving any extra funding so figure out how to make this work, and they aren't. The W schools will be fine... its the rest of the schools that will not creating an even bigger divide.

it is sad because you are so defeatist and whiney. you complain but say nothing can be done. do something to help your child(ren) if you don't feel MCPS is helping them.

So, what do you propose to do about it? You think testifying helps? No

We are doing something about it. We pay for tutoring and extracurricular activities outside of MCPS and spend a significant amount of money monthly to ensure our kids have access to better academics, private lessons, and opportunities to pursue their interests.

yes, what you are doing in terms of supplementing outside of school is the thing to do. As you argue so vociferously, MCPS won't change. The only thing to do is help your children otherwise.

This is the tale of public schools. It is what it is.

It is, and thankfully, we can afford it, but without the right classes, our kids can only go so far. But, not all families can do what we do, although some of it is lifestyle choices, as these things are our priority.

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I heard from a credible source that one of the quiet reasons they didn’t want to change BCC boundaries is because the FARMS rate has been rising over the recent years at BCC. It reached as high as 26% in the last 3 years, but currently stands at about 22%. BCC has also fallen significantly in rankings in the recent years. Even with current boundaries, BCC could easily reach 30% FARMS in the next 5 years. There was a fear that changing the school’s boundaries, especially in a way that increases FARMS at BCC even more, would accelerate private school usage in the area and cause the school performance to drop tremendously.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a credible source that one of the quiet reasons they didn’t want to change BCC boundaries is because the FARMS rate has been rising over the recent years at BCC. It reached as high as 26% in the last 3 years, but currently stands at about 22%. BCC has also fallen significantly in rankings in the recent years. Even with current boundaries, BCC could easily reach 30% FARMS in the next 5 years. There was a fear that changing the school’s boundaries, especially in a way that increases FARMS at BCC even more, would accelerate private school usage in the area and cause the school performance to drop tremendously.

If this is true it's absolutely disgusting. What a pack of cowards that are in charge of MCPS. Jfc you all just don't give one single f$k about kids do you? It is all about your reputation and your pathetic careers.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a credible source that one of the quiet reasons they didn’t want to change BCC boundaries is because the FARMS rate has been rising over the recent years at BCC. It reached as high as 26% in the last 3 years, but currently stands at about 22%. BCC has also fallen significantly in rankings in the recent years. Even with current boundaries, BCC could easily reach 30% FARMS in the next 5 years. There was a fear that changing the school’s boundaries, especially in a way that increases FARMS at BCC even more, would accelerate private school usage in the area and cause the school performance to drop tremendously.

If this is true it's absolutely disgusting. What a pack of cowards that are in charge of MCPS. Jfc you all just don't give one single f$k about kids do you? It is all about your reputation and your pathetic careers.

This is over the top. Why the drama?