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I glanced at the study. Page 4 admits: "These findings differ from a well-known set of studies which conclude that attending a highly selective college in the U.S. has little impact on students’ earnings (Dale et al. 2002, Dale et al. 2014, Mountjoy et al. 2021, Ge et al. 2022)." In other words, it's an opinion. And there's at least three other studies that contradict it. Feel free to believe what you want to believe. As a graduate of an elite Ivy (and not the only one posting here) my response is meh. Know plenty of grads who flamed out, know plenty of highly successful people from no name schools. Suggest it's not worth agonizing over. |
OP, what you and others seem to be upset about is that the rules of the game have changed. Our kids compete in a global market place. A few decades ago, no way or very unlikely someone with a degree from a no name Indian university would be in the same room with an Oxbridge or Ivy grad because there were barriers in place - immigration laws, pedigree mattered more and, of course, racism played a part. Today, a lot of these barriers are down. Companies can bring in foreign employees relatively easily, companies recruit more widely and pedigree is not as important, etc. as a result, many more Indian/Pakistani/whatever kids end up in the same room with American kids from top colleges. I say this as the executive of a global professional services firm. I have seen the shift and it’s a pronounced one. And you know what companies like mine have found out? That often the Indian kid from the no name school is just as smart as the Stanford kid but is hungrier and willing to work harder. So it’s not just that top talent is not concentrated at top schools, top talent is everywhere and companies face few barriers in sourcing it. As I said, today our kids are competing in a global labour market. |
How do you know what the outcome will be as a high school senior? |
+1 Spot on. |
Remain functional. Intact families. No generational trauma. Be the rising tide that raises all boats. No addiction, abuse, adultry. |
These aren’t no-name Indian schools. Considering the best probably anyone can do is say “IIT” when asked to name an Indian school even though there are many. A no-name Indian school would be one that even most educated Indians have never heard about. Nobody from those schools are making it to consulting jobs in London. |
As someone in IT. The foreign Indian/Paki workers (school outside the US) have been absolutely awful. We tread with caution there. |
+1 This is a different study than the one about waitlist. It had similar findings. |
You're coming across as an awful person here though. I'm Indian, but a word of advice. Paki is a slur. Please don't use it. |
This is solid advice for law school. Look at the list of schools from admitted students that Harvard Law shares. Seeing the variety of schools was an eye opener for me. From the Harvard website: The following is a list of the 146 undergraduate institutions represented by the 1L class in the J.D. program at HLS for the 2024–2025 school year. American University American University of Armenia Amherst College Arizona State University Auburn University Augustana University Barnard College Bates College Baylor University Boston College Boston University ... Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University Fordham University – Rose Hill Fordham University – Lincoln Center Fordham University – Gabelli School of Business George Washington University Georgetown University Georgia Institute of Technology Grand Valley State University Grinnell College Hamilton College Hampden-Sydney College Harvard College Hillsdale College |
These lists are useless because law schools admit like 60%-70% from top 20 schools (and a ton from their own undergrad) and then 1 from each of like 100 schools. |
+ 1 Went to Harvard Law - there were like 10+ kids from Yale, Harvard, Princeton EACH in my class! It was eye-opening. |
If DC wants to do law and they get into one of the schools you mentioned, then yes, it'd make sense. But spending a fortune on Duke or such is meaningless. |
Interesting how the paper groups UVA under the "elite schools" |