VA SCOTUS oral arguments

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Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

Republicans are not shy in using their power. Slightly different context, but the legislatures in both Wisconsin and NC stripped the governor of power in lame duck sessions right after a democrat won the governorship in those states. Both Arizona and Georgia republicans expanded and packed their supreme courts when it became clear those states were going purple. And of course there was the attempt to keep Allison Riggs from taking her seat on the NC Supreme Court after she won the 2024 election. When the Iowa Supreme Court ruled abortion was a right protected by the state constitution, Iowa republicans passed a bunch of bills removing powers from the Chief Justice and giving them to the republican governor so he could pack the courts. The list goes on.

No kings, amirght?

It should be "no corrupt POSs" which covers all of the GOP.

OK, so you want a king as long as he is your king. Got it.

Liberals are the only one calling him king. You cant make this up!

MAGA cannot stop lying.

“ The White House posted a picture of President Trump and King Charles III with the caption “two Kings” amid the monarch’s visit to the U.S. on Tuesday.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5854013-white-house-kings-trump-charles/

It's called trolling! JFC

You cannot be serious. Trump keeps telling you exactly who he is, and still you won’t believe it.

DP.

Oh you sweet summer child.

Irony is dead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief. Total incompetence.

Ok, so the AG of Virginia, Jay Jones, has filed an emergency appeal to the United States Supreme Court asking them to overrule the Virginia State Supreme Courts ruling, and while he may have sent it through spellcheck this time, he failed to change templates..because this one is still going to the Supreme Court of Virginia. The incompetence is mind blowing. 😆😆😆

You all should really check with appellate litigators before saying things are errors. They've done it correctly. Here are some other examples:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A349/284940/20231013090543221_SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25A1207/407852/20260502123104939_Danco%20SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application%205-2-26.pdf

Can you point me to the text in an example that corresponds to the highlighted section from the VA appeal? I don't see text in that spot in the examples, maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Thanks

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief. Total incompetence.

Ok, so the AG of Virginia, Jay Jones, has filed an emergency appeal to the United States Supreme Court asking them to overrule the Virginia State Supreme Courts ruling, and while he may have sent it through spellcheck this time, he failed to change templates..because this one is still going to the Supreme Court of Virginia. The incompetence is mind blowing. 😆😆😆

You all should really check with appellate litigators before saying things are errors. They've done it correctly. Here are some other examples:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A349/284940/20231013090543221_SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25A1207/407852/20260502123104939_Danco%20SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application%205-2-26.pdf

I'm not a legal expert, but those examples were asking for a "stay" of action by the appellate court. I wish someone would explain this clearly, but, along with the earlier spelling errors, etc, it does look odd.

Emergency applications ask the Supreme Court to direct a stay to the lower court (which, in this case, is the VA Supreme Court). It was done correctly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief. Total incompetence.

Ok, so the AG of Virginia, Jay Jones, has filed an emergency appeal to the United States Supreme Court asking them to overrule the Virginia State Supreme Courts ruling, and while he may have sent it through spellcheck this time, he failed to change templates..because this one is still going to the Supreme Court of Virginia. The incompetence is mind blowing. 😆😆😆

You all should really check with appellate litigators before saying things are errors. They've done it correctly. Here are some other examples:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A349/284940/20231013090543221_SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25A1207/407852/20260502123104939_Danco%20SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application%205-2-26.pdf

Can you point me to the text in an example that corresponds to the highlighted section from the VA appeal? I don't see text in that spot in the examples, maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Thanks

It's in the exact same place in each brief. But seriously, do you realize how stupid all you MAGAs sound? The cover was correct, but even if it weren't, there is no federal court in this country that would care about a typo on the cover page. In the worst case scenario, the court clerk would notice the error (to be clear -- no error here; I'm just trying to help you understand), and ask the lawyer to correct it and refile the brief. This appeal will almost certainly be rejected but definitely not because of the cover page of the brief. Only a non-lawyer would fixate on something so trivial as the cover page and believe that it would make any difference. Twitter is a cesspool; stop believing what you read there.

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS will not take the case b/c it is a state constitutional issue, not a federal/U.S. Constitution issue (even beyond the fact that VASC ruled correctly).

Jones knows this and only filed the suit (a) to make it look like he is "fighting" MAGA (b) Hakeem Jefferies told him to, and (c) so the Dems can continue their campaign to de-legitimize SCOTUS.

Does Virginia not have any good constitutional lawyers? Why in the world are they using a California firm?

When the law firms sued over all the executive orders targeting them, every single one of them hired another law firm to represent them. That didn't mean that the law firms didn't have their own capable lawyers. It simply means that, in certain circumstances of exceptional importance, lawyers hire outside lawyers.

Well, if it is the same guy that argued before the Va Supreme Court, he did not do a very good job. I listened to the hearing. Anyone who listened to it had to know the Dems would lose. The guy gave terrible answers. I'm not a lawyer, but I thought it was pretty obvious they would lose.

VA seems to have chosen to hire a Republican lawyer. He worked at the most preeminent Republican law firm (Kellogg Hansen) and clerked for Judge Douglas Ginsburg on the DC Circuit (a Reagan appointee). My guess is that VA thought they'd have a better chance by hiring a Republican lawyer to represent them, but there were probably not too many Republicans willing to take the case. They would have had many more well-known and well-regarded options if they had chosen a Democrat lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS will not take the case b/c it is a state constitutional issue, not a federal/U.S. Constitution issue (even beyond the fact that VASC ruled correctly).

Jones knows this and only filed the suit (a) to make it look like he is "fighting" MAGA (b) Hakeem Jefferies told him to, and (c) so the Dems can continue their campaign to de-legitimize SCOTUS.

For some reason the Sixth Circuit didn’t think that was an issue when it intervened to overrule the Ohio Supreme Court in 2022 after it found the republican legislature’s maps unconstitutional under the Ohio constitution. I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact that the circuit panel was 2-1 republican and it got to order the state to use maps that favored republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The part about the Utah story that's so interesting to me is not the resignation, but that the legislature has created an entirely new court to hear constitutional disputes (including redistricting). Democrats should be learning from all of this.

Republicans are not shy in using their power. Slightly different context, but the legislatures in both Wisconsin and NC stripped the governor of power in lame duck sessions right after a democrat won the governorship in those states. Both Arizona and Georgia republicans expanded and packed their supreme courts when it became clear those states were going purple. And of course there was the attempt to keep Allison Riggs from taking her seat on the NC Supreme Court after she won the 2024 election. When the Iowa Supreme Court ruled abortion was a right protected by the state constitution, Iowa republicans passed a bunch of bills removing powers from the Chief Justice and giving them to the republican governor so he could pack the courts. The list goes on.

No kings, amirght?

It should be "no corrupt POSs" which covers all of the GOP.

OK, so you want a king as long as he is your king. Got it.

Liberals are the only one calling him king. You cant make this up!

MAGA cannot stop lying.

“ The White House posted a picture of President Trump and King Charles III with the caption “two Kings” amid the monarch’s visit to the U.S. on Tuesday.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5854013-white-house-kings-trump-charles/

Are you that stupid? He was making fun of fools like you! Smh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS will not take the case b/c it is a state constitutional issue, not a federal/U.S. Constitution issue (even beyond the fact that VASC ruled correctly).

Jones knows this and only filed the suit (a) to make it look like he is "fighting" MAGA (b) Hakeem Jefferies told him to, and (c) so the Dems can continue their campaign to de-legitimize SCOTUS.

For some reason the Sixth Circuit didn’t think that was an issue when it intervened to overrule the Ohio Supreme Court in 2022 after it found the republican legislature’s maps unconstitutional under the Ohio constitution. I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact that the circuit panel was 2-1 republican and it got to order the state to use maps that favored republicans.

The panel couldn't reject the original gerrymandered maps. It rejected the updated maps with even more gerrymandering. There's a limit to what courts can review.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good grief. Total incompetence.

Ok, so the AG of Virginia, Jay Jones, has filed an emergency appeal to the United States Supreme Court asking them to overrule the Virginia State Supreme Courts ruling, and while he may have sent it through spellcheck this time, he failed to change templates..because this one is still going to the Supreme Court of Virginia. The incompetence is mind blowing. 😆😆😆

You all should really check with appellate litigators before saying things are errors. They've done it correctly. Here are some other examples:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A349/284940/20231013090543221_SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25A1207/407852/20260502123104939_Danco%20SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application%205-2-26.pdf

Can you point me to the text in an example that corresponds to the highlighted section from the VA appeal? I don't see text in that spot in the examples, maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Thanks

It's in the exact same place in each brief. But seriously, do you realize how stupid all you MAGAs sound? The cover was correct, but even if it weren't, there is no federal court in this country that would care about a typo on the cover page. In the worst case scenario, the court clerk would notice the error (to be clear -- no error here; I'm just trying to help you understand), and ask the lawyer to correct it and refile the brief. This appeal will almost certainly be rejected but definitely not because of the cover page of the brief. Only a non-lawyer would fixate on something so trivial as the cover page and believe that it would make any difference. Twitter is a cesspool; stop believing what you read there.

Stop being a typical lawyer prick. I couldn't find it because the examples given were much more wordy and different. "Application to stay to judgement OF (lower court)" is different and much more clear than "On emergency application TO (Virginia Supreme Court)". This is why people hate lawyers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief. Total incompetence.

Ok, so the AG of Virginia, Jay Jones, has filed an emergency appeal to the United States Supreme Court asking them to overrule the Virginia State Supreme Courts ruling, and while he may have sent it through spellcheck this time, he failed to change templates..because this one is still going to the Supreme Court of Virginia. The incompetence is mind blowing. 😆😆😆

You all should really check with appellate litigators before saying things are errors. They've done it correctly. Here are some other examples:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A349/284940/20231013090543221_SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25A1207/407852/20260502123104939_Danco%20SCOTUS%20Stay%20Application%205-2-26.pdf

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

A further very important point by @alangura: Even if the Supreme Court were to grant Virginia's emergency application for a stay (it won't), that would still leave in place the lower-court injunction that the state supreme court affirmed. So Virginia isn't even asking for the right relief--i.e., vacatur of the injunction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS will not take the case b/c it is a state constitutional issue, not a federal/U.S. Constitution issue (even beyond the fact that VASC ruled correctly).

Jones knows this and only filed the suit (a) to make it look like he is "fighting" MAGA (b) Hakeem Jefferies told him to, and (c) so the Dems can continue their campaign to de-legitimize SCOTUS.

For some reason the Sixth Circuit didn’t think that was an issue when it intervened to overrule the Ohio Supreme Court in 2022 after it found the republican legislature’s maps unconstitutional under the Ohio constitution. I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact that the circuit panel was 2-1 republican and it got to order the state to use maps that favored republicans.

The panel couldn't reject the original gerrymandered maps. It rejected the updated maps with even more gerrymandering. There's a limit to what courts can review.

But you told me federal courts wouldn’t take a case decided on a state constitutional issue. Yet the Sixth Circuit did when it helped republicans.

[Anonymous]

None of this bickering over the brief makes an ounce of difference. The brief could be the most brilliant document ever written, and the U.S. Supreme Court still wouldn't take the case. The only hope was before the VA Supreme Court, and it sounds like the Republican lawyer hired by VA wasn't very good there. I don't blame VA for hiring outside counsel, but a case like this is tons of work, and it looks like the guy is a solo practitioner. They really should have hired someone from biglaw, even if they could only find a Democrat.

[Anonymous]

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A further very important point by @alangura: Even if the Supreme Court were to grant Virginia's emergency application for a stay (it won't), that would still leave in place the lower-court injunction that the state supreme court affirmed. So Virginia isn't even asking for the right relief--i.e., vacatur of the injunction.

Wrong again. A stay of the judgment of the VA Supreme Court prevents the lower-court injunction from taking effect. Here's a comparable example of a lower court injunction affirmed by the intermediate appellate court, and the relief requested from the US Supreme Court was a stay:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25A264/373723/20250904153414999_Trump%20v.%20Slaughter%20Stay%20Appl.pdf