Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:So can we all take a deep breath and step back for a minute.

US Soccer changed from a SY system to a BY system back in 2017. They are proposing to go back to the same EXACT cutoffs that existed back then.

College coaches figured it out then, just like the figured out the change to BY. I'm sure they will figure it out now as well.

Is there anyone out there that can share what was going on then with players and grades and recruiting?

I was in the middle of it, but my oldest was only 10 so college stuff was not even a thought.

Yeah, I get it. It's going to be messy for the first year for sure, maybe even two. But, it will all get sorted out.

FWIW, my DD is playing U17 ECNL and her team is going to get really shuffled next year and she's not super thrilled but such is life.

Players that wanted play in college needed to play on a team thats their grade in school. Its how it worked before 2017 and its how it will work 2026/2027.

The person advocating that its ok for young players to play down a grade and still expect to get recruited is simply wrong. Maybe an expensive D3 private school will go through the motions but they would do that either way if you throw enough money at them.

Much better to play on age, like clubs and leagues are encouraging and don't play up or down or sideways. I hope you find a team that implements all your hopes and dreams rules for kids that aren't yours.

Much better to play on grade, like college coaches want and everyeone who did this before 2017 can attest to. I hope you find an entire team of Aug birthdays playing down so you can all cry together and your kids have someone to hang out with when they don't get recruited to play college soccer.

Stupid advice for girls, dumber for boys and the dumbest thing is that your are responding because the PP was trolling your ridiculous advice. Playing up on age is very tough. Suggesting it with a straight face to strangers with an 8 year old boy packaged as fake helpful advice so your daughter can have an easier track to college is shameful.

So what you're saying is that its too hard to play with other players your kids grade in school. But somehow this will be the player that colleges are looking to recruit... The ones not good enough to compete with players their grade in school. This is the player that needs to be on an A team not a B team. The one that cant compete against players their grade in school.

Your reading comprehension is weak.

Science says being the oldest has better outcomes than the youngest in an age cohort. Most likely a huge reason parents are interested in the change back to SY.

What science or facts do you have to back up your nonsense other than telling college coaches that you can do better than them?

When backed into a corner and have nothing left out comes RAE the super excuse that can be used to justify anything.

[Anonymous]

I'm assuming the last few pages are insider jokes

If next years U16 is August 2010 to July 2011, how can a September 2010 play U15?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So can we all take a deep breath and step back for a minute.

US Soccer changed from a SY system to a BY system back in 2017. They are proposing to go back to the same EXACT cutoffs that existed back then.

College coaches figured it out then, just like the figured out the change to BY. I'm sure they will figure it out now as well.

Is there anyone out there that can share what was going on then with players and grades and recruiting?

I was in the middle of it, but my oldest was only 10 so college stuff was not even a thought.

Yeah, I get it. It's going to be messy for the first year for sure, maybe even two. But, it will all get sorted out.

FWIW, my DD is playing U17 ECNL and her team is going to get really shuffled next year and she's not super thrilled but such is life.

Players that wanted play in college needed to play on a team thats their grade in school. Its how it worked before 2017 and its how it will work 2026/2027.

The person advocating that its ok for young players to play down a grade and still expect to get recruited is simply wrong. Maybe an expensive D3 private school will go through the motions but they would do that either way if you throw enough money at them.

Much better to play on age, like clubs and leagues are encouraging and don't play up or down or sideways. I hope you find a team that implements all your hopes and dreams rules for kids that aren't yours.

Much better to play on grade, like college coaches want and everyeone who did this before 2017 can attest to. I hope you find an entire team of Aug birthdays playing down so you can all cry together and your kids have someone to hang out with when they don't get recruited to play college soccer.

Stupid advice for girls, dumber for boys and the dumbest thing is that your are responding because the PP was trolling your ridiculous advice. Playing up on age is very tough. Suggesting it with a straight face to strangers with an 8 year old boy packaged as fake helpful advice so your daughter can have an easier track to college is shameful.

So what you're saying is that its too hard to play with other players your kids grade in school. But somehow this will be the player that colleges are looking to recruit... The ones not good enough to compete with players their grade in school. This is the player that needs to be on an A team not a B team. The one that cant compete against players their grade in school.

Your reading comprehension is weak.

Science says being the oldest has better outcomes than the youngest in an age cohort. Most likely a huge reason parents are interested in the change back to SY.

What science or facts do you have to back up your nonsense other than telling college coaches that you can do better than them?

When backed into a corner and have nothing left out comes RAE the super excuse that can be used to justify anything.

If you don't understand science, you have a misspecified model in your head that with bias will not create correct results. Not understanding RAE is a large reason you are constantly wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So can we all take a deep breath and step back for a minute.

US Soccer changed from a SY system to a BY system back in 2017. They are proposing to go back to the same EXACT cutoffs that existed back then.

College coaches figured it out then, just like the figured out the change to BY. I'm sure they will figure it out now as well.

Is there anyone out there that can share what was going on then with players and grades and recruiting?

I was in the middle of it, but my oldest was only 10 so college stuff was not even a thought.

Yeah, I get it. It's going to be messy for the first year for sure, maybe even two. But, it will all get sorted out.

FWIW, my DD is playing U17 ECNL and her team is going to get really shuffled next year and she's not super thrilled but such is life.

Players that wanted play in college needed to play on a team thats their grade in school. Its how it worked before 2017 and its how it will work 2026/2027.

The person advocating that its ok for young players to play down a grade and still expect to get recruited is simply wrong. Maybe an expensive D3 private school will go through the motions but they would do that either way if you throw enough money at them.

Much better to play on age, like clubs and leagues are encouraging and don't play up or down or sideways. I hope you find a team that implements all your hopes and dreams rules for kids that aren't yours.

Much better to play on grade, like college coaches want and everyeone who did this before 2017 can attest to. I hope you find an entire team of Aug birthdays playing down so you can all cry together and your kids have someone to hang out with when they don't get recruited to play college soccer.

Stupid advice for girls, dumber for boys and the dumbest thing is that your are responding because the PP was trolling your ridiculous advice. Playing up on age is very tough. Suggesting it with a straight face to strangers with an 8 year old boy packaged as fake helpful advice so your daughter can have an easier track to college is shameful.

So what you're saying is that its too hard to play with other players your kids grade in school. But somehow this will be the player that colleges are looking to recruit... The ones not good enough to compete with players their grade in school. This is the player that needs to be on an A team not a B team. The one that cant compete against players their grade in school.

Your reading comprehension is weak.

Science says being the oldest has better outcomes than the youngest in an age cohort. Most likely a huge reason parents are interested in the change back to SY.

What science or facts do you have to back up your nonsense other than telling college coaches that you can do better than them?

When backed into a corner and have nothing left out comes RAE the super excuse that can be used to justify anything.

If you don't understand science, you have a misspecified model in your head that with bias will not create correct results. Not understanding RAE is a large reason you are constantly wrong.

What does it matter? You'll just morph RAE into an excuse for anything. It allows you to always be the victim and never accept accountability.

[Anonymous]

Whole feed: who cares?
You all are nerds. If your kid is good, it won’t matter. You should have red shirted them in kindergarten to get ahead in the first place, and now you are paying the price. Hehehe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the last few pages are insider jokes

If next years U16 is August 2010 to July 2011, how can a September 2010 play U15?

u16 = 8/1-7/31 born in 2010. In BY probabaly a Sophmore but maybe a trapped Freshman.

Now say a 2011 Aug birthday happened to be a Sophmore. For a Sophmore they would be on the young side. Because of this technically they could play on the Freshman 8/1-7/31 team even though they're a Sophmore in school.

Players in this situation should play with their grade if they want to get recruited to play in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So can we all take a deep breath and step back for a minute.

US Soccer changed from a SY system to a BY system back in 2017. They are proposing to go back to the same EXACT cutoffs that existed back then.

College coaches figured it out then, just like the figured out the change to BY. I'm sure they will figure it out now as well.

Is there anyone out there that can share what was going on then with players and grades and recruiting?

I was in the middle of it, but my oldest was only 10 so college stuff was not even a thought.

Yeah, I get it. It's going to be messy for the first year for sure, maybe even two. But, it will all get sorted out.

FWIW, my DD is playing U17 ECNL and her team is going to get really shuffled next year and she's not super thrilled but such is life.

Players that wanted play in college needed to play on a team thats their grade in school. Its how it worked before 2017 and its how it will work 2026/2027.

The person advocating that its ok for young players to play down a grade and still expect to get recruited is simply wrong. Maybe an expensive D3 private school will go through the motions but they would do that either way if you throw enough money at them.

Much better to play on age, like clubs and leagues are encouraging and don't play up or down or sideways. I hope you find a team that implements all your hopes and dreams rules for kids that aren't yours.

Much better to play on grade, like college coaches want and everyeone who did this before 2017 can attest to. I hope you find an entire team of Aug birthdays playing down so you can all cry together and your kids have someone to hang out with when they don't get recruited to play college soccer.

Stupid advice for girls, dumber for boys and the dumbest thing is that your are responding because the PP was trolling your ridiculous advice. Playing up on age is very tough. Suggesting it with a straight face to strangers with an 8 year old boy packaged as fake helpful advice so your daughter can have an easier track to college is shameful.

So what you're saying is that its too hard to play with other players your kids grade in school. But somehow this will be the player that colleges are looking to recruit... The ones not good enough to compete with players their grade in school. This is the player that needs to be on an A team not a B team. The one that cant compete against players their grade in school.

Your reading comprehension is weak.

Science says being the oldest has better outcomes than the youngest in an age cohort. Most likely a huge reason parents are interested in the change back to SY.

What science or facts do you have to back up your nonsense other than telling college coaches that you can do better than them?

When backed into a corner and have nothing left out comes RAE the super excuse that can be used to justify anything.

If you don't understand science, you have a misspecified model in your head that with bias will not create correct results. Not understanding RAE is a large reason you are constantly wrong.

What does it matter? You'll just morph RAE into an excuse for anything. It allows you to always be the victim and never accept accountability.

Being anti science makes your specific input into a conversation uninformed and misleading.

Relative Age Effect (RAE)
What it is: A bias in youth sports where players born earlier in the calendar year are selected over their younger teammates born later in the same year.
Why it happens: Players born earlier are often bigger, stronger, and more physically mature, which can lead to them being perceived as more talented.
Impact: This can result in biased talent evaluation, more playing time for older players, greater training opportunities, and a skewed view of long-term potential.
Solutions: Some approaches to mitigate RAE include sub-dividing age brackets, providing more developmental time for younger players, and using bio-banding to group players by biological age rather than calendar age, notes thesoccersidelines.com and Hotspurs Soccer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whole feed: who cares?
You all are nerds. If your kid is good, it won’t matter. You should have red shirted them in kindergarten to get ahead in the first place, and now you are paying the price. Hehehe

Redshirting doesnt work in club Soccer because its defined as a 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. If you hold your kid back they'll just need to play on a team with players a grade or two older but the same age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the last few pages are insider jokes

If next years U16 is August 2010 to July 2011, how can a September 2010 play U15?

u16 = 8/1-7/31 born in 2010. In BY probabaly a Sophmore but maybe a trapped Freshman.

Now say a 2011 Aug birthday happened to be a Sophmore. For a Sophmore they would be on the young side. Because of this technically they could play on the Freshman 8/1-7/31 team even though they're a Sophmore in school.

Players in this situation should play with their grade if they want to get recruited to play in college.

Follow rules and clubs advice, play on age.Best play up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the last few pages are insider jokes

If next years U16 is August 2010 to July 2011, how can a September 2010 play U15?

u16 = 8/1-7/31 born in 2010. In BY probabaly a Sophmore but maybe a trapped Freshman.

Now say a 2011 Aug birthday happened to be a Sophmore. For a Sophmore they would be on the young side. Because of this technically they could play on the Freshman 8/1-7/31 team even though they're a Sophmore in school.

Players in this situation should play with their grade if they want to get recruited to play in college.

Follow rules and clubs advice, play on age.Best play up.

Sigh....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the last few pages are insider jokes

If next years U16 is August 2010 to July 2011, how can a September 2010 play U15?

u16 = 8/1-7/31 born in 2010. In BY probabaly a Sophmore but maybe a trapped Freshman.

Now say a 2011 Aug birthday happened to be a Sophmore. For a Sophmore they would be on the young side. Because of this technically they could play on the Freshman 8/1-7/31 team even though they're a Sophmore in school.

Players in this situation should play with their grade if they want to get recruited to play in college.

Follow rules and clubs advice, play on age.Best play up.

Sigh....

Or just play MLSN since it appears they are staying BY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm telling my club that my 8 year old August birthday kid who is on grade and didnt reclassify that he is playing up an age group because if he doesnt he will never be recruited for college and all the parents will shun him.

It only matters if your Aug birthday kid is younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligiibility window and in the same grade as the kids in the 8/1-7/31 window.

If your kid plans to play in college you're going to need to play with your grade now or when they get older. Its easier to have them play with their grade (up) now so theyre used to it when theyre older.

So this is my DD. Best on her 2nd team. Large club. Can play in college, maybe good D3 or middle D1. August Bbay. 10th grade. So this is looking rough. College coaches want to see kids play against competition closest to collegiate, that's the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling my club that my 8 year old August birthday kid who is on grade and didnt reclassify that he is playing up an age group because if he doesnt he will never be recruited for college and all the parents will shun him.

It only matters if your Aug birthday kid is younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligiibility window and in the same grade as the kids in the 8/1-7/31 window.

If your kid plans to play in college you're going to need to play with your grade now or when they get older. Its easier to have them play with their grade (up) now so theyre used to it when theyre older.

So this is my DD. Best on her 2nd team. Large club. Can play in college, maybe good D3 or middle D1. August Bbay. 10th grade. So this is looking rough. College coaches want to see kids play against competition closest to collegiate, that's the problem.

So, what is the club or what are college coaches telling you about next year? Would playing on a higher team in the new age group help or hurt, if that's an option?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling my club that my 8 year old August birthday kid who is on grade and didnt reclassify that he is playing up an age group because if he doesnt he will never be recruited for college and all the parents will shun him.

It only matters if your Aug birthday kid is younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligiibility window and in the same grade as the kids in the 8/1-7/31 window.

If your kid plans to play in college you're going to need to play with your grade now or when they get older. Its easier to have them play with their grade (up) now so theyre used to it when theyre older.

So this is my DD. Best on her 2nd team. Large club. Can play in college, maybe good D3 or middle D1. August Bbay. 10th grade. So this is looking rough. College coaches want to see kids play against competition closest to collegiate, that's the problem.

You may need to adjust your expectations. Good D3 or mid D1 are all coming from 1st teams (ECNL/GA).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling my club that my 8 year old August birthday kid who is on grade and didnt reclassify that he is playing up an age group because if he doesnt he will never be recruited for college and all the parents will shun him.

It only matters if your Aug birthday kid is younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligiibility window and in the same grade as the kids in the 8/1-7/31 window.

If your kid plans to play in college you're going to need to play with your grade now or when they get older. Its easier to have them play with their grade (up) now so theyre used to it when theyre older.

So this is my DD. Best on her 2nd team. Large club. Can play in college, maybe good D3 or middle D1. August Bbay. 10th grade. So this is looking rough. College coaches want to see kids play against competition closest to collegiate, that's the problem.

Contact one of the many GA clubs in the area that are desperate for good players. Tell them you are interested only if she can play up with her grade level. If she is in 10th grade now contact them now and try to join a GA team in time for the winter/spring showcases because that’s when recruiting really starts for 10th graders.