Incident at Odessa Shannon MS

[Anonymous]

Do you guys blame Abby Zwerner for being shot by a 6-year old too?

When you say you blame MCPS, is that the teachers or the administrators or what? Because I can tell you teachers would absolutely control violent students if we could, but we are out of options. Teachers want this solved more than you do. But our only option at this point is to quit.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you guys blame Abby Zwerner for being shot by a 6-year old too?

When you say you blame MCPS, is that the teachers or the administrators or what? Because I can tell you teachers would absolutely control violent students if we could, but we are out of options. Teachers want this solved more than you do. But our only option at this point is to quit.

No one is blaming the teachers. I am a former MCPS teacher who withdrew my child after he was assaulted. I can say with authority this is on MCPS.

Who is in charge of ensuring proper supervision?? MCPS. This is an administrative issue. They are failures at their jobs. Failures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school needs to say whether this was done by accident or on purpose, what the object was and if on purpose what is the consequence.

The school isn’t going to release any of that information, nor are they required to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible for the PE teacher who will have to live with this event for the rest of their life, even if they were completely powerless to stop or prevent it.

It happened under their watch.

Exactly. That's why they will have to live with it. However, as someone with experience in Middle School PE, it's sad to admit that you can do everything right and things can still happen because you often have class sizes of 35-40 kids.

What is your experience in ms pe?

I have taught it

Oops! Put PP in their place. 😂

[Anonymous]

This garbage needs to stop. Zero tolerance. You’re violent — to any degree — in school? Rooms have to be cleared because of you? No more Gen Ed as the immutable default. Online school exists. Bye.

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Anonymous wrote:This garbage needs to stop. Zero tolerance. You’re violent — to any degree — in school? Rooms have to be cleared because of you? No more Gen Ed as the immutable default. Online school exists. Bye.

MCPS took away online school. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:This girl should be pitching for the Nationals if she has that kid of arm strength to crush someones skull with a thrown object

THIS. No way this is what happened.

The mother was emphatic that she does not believe the girl threw the object at her son but instead struck him with it.

Principal said the girls version plus many kid witnesses back it up, is that it was thrown.
I can see if one of the points hit him in thehead that could cause a skill injury.

It doesn't matter if it was thrown or she hit him. It was very deliberate and at that age she understood the consequences.

People keep saying that. However, most studies suggest that significant brain maturation occurs between the ages of 20 and 25.
During this period, the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for higher-order cognitive functions such as decision-making, planning, and impulse control, undergoes significant development. The amygdala, which is involved in emotions, also matures during this time.

No, she did not understand the consequences. This is the exact reason why so many European countries don't treat 16 yr olds (let alone 12 yr olds) like adults in the criminal justice system.

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Anonymous wrote:This girl should be pitching for the Nationals if she has that kid of arm strength to crush someones skull with a thrown object

THIS. No way this is what happened.

The mother was emphatic that she does not believe the girl threw the object at her son but instead struck him with it.

Principal said the girls version plus many kid witnesses back it up, is that it was thrown.
I can see if one of the points hit him in thehead that could cause a skill injury.

It doesn't matter if it was thrown or she hit him. It was very deliberate and at that age she understood the consequences.

People keep saying that. However, most studies suggest that significant brain maturation occurs between the ages of 20 and 25.
During this period, the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for higher-order cognitive functions such as decision-making, planning, and impulse control, undergoes significant development. The amygdala, which is involved in emotions, also matures during this time.

No, she did not understand the consequences. This is the exact reason why so many European countries don't treat 16 yr olds (let alone 12 yr olds) like adults in the criminal justice system.

That's such BS. Yes, the teenage brain is still developing, and kids that age are impulsive, emotional, etc., but 99% of them manage to make it through middle school without putting someone in the ICU.

Of course your personal opinion is much more valid than all the scientific evidence out there.

If your personal opinion is true, then kids need to live at home until 26. No driving, no drinking, no military, no signing contracts. After all, tHeIr bRaInS aReN’t fULlY dEvElOpEd. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:This girl is 11 or 12. She's not a criminal but a child, a baby.

She did not understand that hitting someone with a metal pipe would cause very serious injuries.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

Please quit, MCPS Central Office.

I agree with her and I’m not Central Office, not a teacher, not employed by a school or school district in any way. You are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:This garbage needs to stop. Zero tolerance. You’re violent — to any degree — in school? Rooms have to be cleared because of you? No more Gen Ed as the immutable default. Online school exists. Bye.

MCPS took away online school. Keep up.

Oh, I didn’t realize you were dumb. Thru took away COVID virtual. Online schooling exists all over the country. Keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you guys blame Abby Zwerner for being shot by a 6-year old too?

When you say you blame MCPS, is that the teachers or the administrators or what? Because I can tell you teachers would absolutely control violent students if we could, but we are out of options. Teachers want this solved more than you do. But our only option at this point is to quit.

We are mainly blaming administrators and Central Office, although in the case with Lenny, there's an argument that the PE teacher failed to provide the necessary supervision and vigilance that would have prevented this incident from escalating.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

This is quite the obnoxious take.

How can parents parent when they have zero control on the environment their children are in at the time of the incident? I guarantee Lenny’s mother would have never let this happen. And hopefully the other student’s mother.

But that’s not what we are taking about. No one is raising children in a school. We get that. But 100x yes - MCPS failed in their job of SUPERVISION.

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If the “parents” posting in support of MCPS are in fact parents, they are sycophants who feel a compulsion to do damage control for MCPS and to hold MCPS blameless for failing to supervise children under their care. Absolutely disgusting.

DP-nope. I'm a parent. I do not expect MCPS to teach my kids right from wrong. I expect them to teach math, English, social studies, etc...This would not have happened if they were raised right. What is absolutely disgusting is parents relying on everyone else but themselves to raise their kids and then conveniently blaming everyone else when their kid messes up.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

This is quite the obnoxious take.

How can parents parent when they have zero control on the environment their children are in at the time of the incident? I guarantee Lenny’s mother would have never let this happen. And hopefully the other student’s mother.

But that’s not what we are taking about. No one is raising children in a school. We get that. But 100x yes - MCPS failed in their job of SUPERVISION.

+1

If the “parents” posting in support of MCPS are in fact parents, they are sycophants who feel a compulsion to do damage control for MCPS and to hold MCPS blameless for failing to supervise children under their care. Absolutely disgusting.

DP-nope. I'm a parent. I do not expect MCPS to teach my kids right from wrong. I expect them to teach math, English, social studies, etc...This would not have happened if they were raised right. What is absolutely disgusting is parents relying on everyone else but themselves to raise their kids and then conveniently blaming everyone else when their kid messes up.

Exactly. It is ALWAYS,ALWAYS the parents who refuse to do the heavy lifting who are overly defensive about issues like this. It's so very predictable.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to start parenting. Bottom line. Stop relying on the schools to raise your kids. IF Lenny was a bully-that starts at home. If this girl retaliated in the way she did-that starts at home. It's so easy to blame MCPS as your "caregivers" but YOU are the parent. Do YOUR job so that when your child comes to school, they know how to act appropriately in any given situation.

This is quite the obnoxious take.

How can parents parent when they have zero control on the environment their children are in at the time of the incident? I guarantee Lenny’s mother would have never let this happen. And hopefully the other student’s mother.

But that’s not what we are taking about. No one is raising children in a school. We get that. But 100x yes - MCPS failed in their job of SUPERVISION.

+1

If the “parents” posting in support of MCPS are in fact parents, they are sycophants who feel a compulsion to do damage control for MCPS and to hold MCPS blameless for failing to supervise children under their care. Absolutely disgusting.

DP-nope. I'm a parent. I do not expect MCPS to teach my kids right from wrong. I expect them to teach math, English, social studies, etc...This would not have happened if they were raised right. What is absolutely disgusting is parents relying on everyone else but themselves to raise their kids and then conveniently blaming everyone else when their kid messes up.

Exactly. It is ALWAYS,ALWAYS the parents who refuse to do the heavy lifting who are overly defensive about issues like this. It's so very predictable.

So you wouldn’t want an adult who is tasked with supervising your child intervene before they get impaled in the skull during class?