MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is not fair to remove programs at MIT that help disadvantaged URMs. Affirmative action for women at MIT has a much bigger effect than affirmative action for URMs ever did. Nobody criticizes that because it benefits wealthy people.

How does affirmative action at MIT help women?
Have you ever been to MIT. The women are all asian and they are no wealthier than the average MIT satudent. The only group where the man don't outnumber the women... by a LOT... is the asians. Those asian women tend to be as smart as anyone else there.

The MIT acceptance rate for women is almost double that for men. Is the female applicant pool that much better than the male applicant pool?

I wonder what people think about Brown's acceptance rate for men being about 1.6x higher than their acceptance rate for women.

Men get affirmative action at most liberal arts colleges/undergraduate-focused institutions. It has to do with colleges trying to maintain 50/50

Nope. Those schools have way more qualified applicants than spots. The men they choose are qualified regardless of their often being many more female applicants than male.

The men are not the best applicants. Sure, they are qualified, but that definition is pretty loose and most colleges would say much of their applicant is qualified.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

I totally agree. At the very least, have a separate statistic for Indian/Pakistani. It's confusing when people say Asian when they mean Indian because they Indians and East/Southeast Asians just don't seem the same at all, other than the fact that there are many smart people in both groups. On the other hand, if I hear of someone who's Japanese and someone who's Thai, they're still very different, but I can understand why they'd be grouped together. I think most people understand what I'm saying on a gut level. I mean countries like Turkey, Armenia, Afghanistan and Cyprus are in Asia, but we don't expect them to check the Asian box, do we?

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

No, they're going to be respected because people will know they got in on their merits. Funny thing will happen, though. People will start asking what year you're in. They will need to know that in order to form the opinion (i.e. c/o 2028? Respect. c/o 2027? Doubt.) How do I know? I have experience at TJ where Class of 2024 and older gets respect. Anything younger, there's an undercurrent of being less than because the standards were lowered.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

Not surprising. Class of 2027 was the most difficult year for unhooked asians and whites, as MIT and the ivies scooped up URMs to boost the 4yr average with one last cycle it was allowed. The ivy send off photos tell the story, 2028 compared to 2027. My 2027 was lucky. Glad to see the illegal bias against two races has decreased

YOU realize that the white admissions barely budges, right?
Affirmative action never really hurt whites.
We saw this in California when they abolished affirmative action.

No, but not having affirmative action does hurt whites because we have more competition against Asians. This is the real motivation behind the Blum/Harvard case. Although the left loves to call the right white supremacists, the left are the same, in different way.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

No, they're going to be respected because people will know they got in on their merits. Funny thing will happen, though. People will start asking what year you're in. They will need to know that in order to form the opinion (i.e. c/o 2028? Respect. c/o 2027? Doubt.) How do I know? I have experience at TJ where Class of 2024 and older gets respect. Anything younger, there's an undercurrent of being less than because the standards were lowered.

No, they're still going to assume they didn't get it on their merits. It's not like you can't just talk about your race in your essay or do the litany of diversity programs for high school students. People are not going to respect these black students.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

I totally agree. At the very least, have a separate statistic for Indian/Pakistani. It's confusing when people say Asian when they mean Indian because they Indians and East/Southeast Asians just don't seem the same at all, other than the fact that there are many smart people in both groups. On the other hand, if I hear of someone who's Japanese and someone who's Thai, they're still very different, but I can understand why they'd be grouped together. I think most people understand what I'm saying on a gut level. I mean countries like Turkey, Armenia, Afghanistan and Cyprus are in Asia, but we don't expect them to check the Asian box, do we?

I would not group Japanese and Thai together. Totally different.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

You seem obsessed with being a victim. If the ivies were majority black or Hispanic, people would be in a goddamn frenzy. Asians aren’t the first race to have racism happen to them, but it’s also just truthful that single race environments quickly become exclusive.

Asian is not a race. Asia is a continent made up of many countries with people who are vastly different from each other.

Sigh.

Asian is a race. All races are incredibly diverse and "vastly different from each other."
What kind of person denies this reality?

Colleges do. When they ask kids to check off a certain box indicating Race. As if that can possibly provide an Admissions Counselor with ANY information.

Quit asking about race on applications. There is no good reason to. They can ask about family income if they want instead.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

I totally agree. At the very least, have a separate statistic for Indian/Pakistani. It's confusing when people say Asian when they mean Indian because they Indians and East/Southeast Asians just don't seem the same at all, other than the fact that there are many smart people in both groups. On the other hand, if I hear of someone who's Japanese and someone who's Thai, they're still very different, but I can understand why they'd be grouped together. I think most people understand what I'm saying on a gut level. I mean countries like Turkey, Armenia, Afghanistan and Cyprus are in Asia, but we don't expect them to check the Asian box, do we?

Hilarious. Indians and Pakistanis hate each other. Often they are a different religion. Do you know how many Indian/Pakistan wars there have been?

But sure, lump them together and tell them they belong in the same ‘box’.

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Anonymous wrote:in 10-20 years most of these institutions will be led by Asian Americans

No, they will be led by Indian Americans. Look at the Silicon Valley.

First of all, Indians are Asians. Second, who are the current leaders of Nvidia, Broadcom and AMD?

Indian American here. I’m not Asian. Sorry. You don’t make the rules for us all.

What? Also an Indian American, and we're definitely Asian; I don't think I've ever heard anyone with ancestry in Asia (whether that be East, Southeast, or South Asian) ever dispute that.

Well, now you have.

Anonymous online trolls don't count.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

No, they're going to be respected because people will know they got in on their merits. Funny thing will happen, though. People will start asking what year you're in. They will need to know that in order to form the opinion (i.e. c/o 2028? Respect. c/o 2027? Doubt.) How do I know? I have experience at TJ where Class of 2024 and older gets respect. Anything younger, there's an undercurrent of being less than because the standards were lowered.

I can't imagine being such an idiot that I think about bullshit like this on a regular basis.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

I totally agree. At the very least, have a separate statistic for Indian/Pakistani. It's confusing when people say Asian when they mean Indian because they Indians and East/Southeast Asians just don't seem the same at all, other than the fact that there are many smart people in both groups. On the other hand, if I hear of someone who's Japanese and someone who's Thai, they're still very different, but I can understand why they'd be grouped together. I think most people understand what I'm saying on a gut level. I mean countries like Turkey, Armenia, Afghanistan and Cyprus are in Asia, but we don't expect them to check the Asian box, do we?

+1, and not only is there a huge difference between Asian cultures, there's a huge difference in cultures between people who just moved from a another country, and a person who was born and raised here by immigrant parents, or a person whose family has been here for generations. When I go visit my family's origin country, I also experience culture shock and am not able to speak the language. And yet here in the US, the place I consider my cultural home, I have to check a race box when I apply to college and am treated differently in college admissions because of my skin color. Moreover, people make a host of incorrect assumptions about me and my upbringing, attitudes, etc. My friends whose grandparents are from Germany or Italy never face this kind of scrutiny. This is why I think Jeff really misses the point on why some of us feel discriminated against in his write up.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

No, they're going to be respected because people will know they got in on their merits. Funny thing will happen, though. People will start asking what year you're in. They will need to know that in order to form the opinion (i.e. c/o 2028? Respect. c/o 2027? Doubt.) How do I know? I have experience at TJ where Class of 2024 and older gets respect. Anything younger, there's an undercurrent of being less than because the standards were lowered.

What exactly is your experience with TJ?

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Does any of this really matter? I mean if you are qualified to get into MIT, but you don't get in, surely there are other schools that you will thrive in, right? My kid really wants to go to MIT but knows it's a total crapshoot. If they go to, say University of Michigan instead, won't they still have the opportunity to learn to the same level of students at MIT?

For undergrad especially . . . if you don't get into MIT as an undergrad, surely you would still have a shot for grad, school, right? My kid really does think that MIT is special, but I have my doubts. OTOH, they took the tour, etc. so maybe I'm missing something. I know MIT is incredibly difficult to get into, but I'm not convinced that means that the quality of the education is that much better than schools that are a bit easier to gain admittance to. Surely there are successful people in STEM that didn't go to MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

No, they're going to be respected because people will know they got in on their merits. Funny thing will happen, though. People will start asking what year you're in. They will need to know that in order to form the opinion (i.e. c/o 2028? Respect. c/o 2027? Doubt.) How do I know? I have experience at TJ where Class of 2024 and older gets respect. Anything younger, there's an undercurrent of being less than because the standards were lowered.

What exactly is your experience with TJ?

None. They're making things up.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

No, they're going to be respected because people will know they got in on their merits. Funny thing will happen, though. People will start asking what year you're in. They will need to know that in order to form the opinion (i.e. c/o 2028? Respect. c/o 2027? Doubt.) How do I know? I have experience at TJ where Class of 2024 and older gets respect. Anything younger, there's an undercurrent of being less than because the standards were lowered.

Agree. I have a DC who graduated several years ago and I heard the same thing. Graduation year has become important.