The Gilded Age

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The actress playing Gladys is nearly 30 years old. Why is a 30 year old actress playing a ~ 15 year old girl?

Are you new to Hollywood? This is not unusual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Show is so corny and fake. Nothing historically accurate about it. Deluded woke garbage.

I'm afraid you are correct. It's so disappointing, considering Downton Abbey was fantastic. I think Julian Fellowes really doesn't like Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actress playing Gladys is nearly 30 years old. Why is a 30 year old actress playing a ~ 15 year old girl?

Gladys is around 20.
In the first season, everyone went on and on about how she should've been "out" already, which would mean over 18.

No, debutante when you’re 15 or 16

No, not in New York.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

Do phenotypes change that quickly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

Do phenotypes change that quickly?

Yes, immigration and economics def change phenotypes fast

If you go to Europe, you quickly start seeing body shapes and facial structures that are not “American” even if you limit it to just “white” people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

Do phenotypes change that quickly?

Yes, immigration and economics def change phenotypes fast

If you go to Europe, you quickly start seeing body shapes and facial structures that are not “American” even if you limit it to just “white” people

I think so much of it is diet and culture as opposed to genetic changes. I’m a White American and when I was visiting China, I could see Chinese Americans from a mile away, well before I heard them speaking English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

Do phenotypes change that quickly?

Yes, immigration and economics def change phenotypes fast

If you go to Europe, you quickly start seeing body shapes and facial structures that are not “American” even if you limit it to just “white” people

Absolutely. Google photos of the first waves of Italian immigrants to the US in the late 19th and early 20th century. They are much swarthier, smaller, indeed "darker" people. But their descendants, even in purely Italian American families, are taller, lighter, not so "swarthy." It's fascinating. Same will happen to the Hispanic population, many will morph into "white Hispanics" over time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

Do phenotypes change that quickly?

Yes, immigration and economics def change phenotypes fast

If you go to Europe, you quickly start seeing body shapes and facial structures that are not “American” even if you limit it to just “white” people

Absolutely. Google photos of the first waves of Italian immigrants to the US in the late 19th and early 20th century. They are much swarthier, smaller, indeed "darker" people. But their descendants, even in purely Italian American families, are taller, lighter, not so "swarthy." It's fascinating. Same will happen to the Hispanic population, many will morph into "white Hispanics" over time.

No, Italian Americans are taller from eating better food and lighter from not having to work out in the fields. (In addition to a lot of intermarriage and not all of it on the up and up—look at how many people have found out their grandpa wasn’t really their grandpa from commercial DNA tests.) They are also cleaner from the daily showers their ancestors didn’t have on the ships that took them to Ellis Island. (Swedish immigrants look pretty swarthy coming off the boats, too.) The Hispanic population that is predominantly of Native American or Mestizo ancestry may grow taller from better nutrition, but their skin will stay dark unless they marry lighter skinned people.

[Anonymous]

The majority of Italian immigrants were from Sicily and Southern Italy.

Sicily in particular has a mixture of people then and now that have African, Arab, and Mediterranean roots.. Olive snd darker skinned people.

These were very poor people who came over and passed through Ellis Island and they were generally darker than N. Europeans.

If you know any biracial families then you know that in 1-2 generations you can have offspring who appear to be an entirely different ethnicity to one or both of the parents and completely opposite to one of the grandparents.

[Anonymous]

But with Gladys we are not talking about immigrants changing their looks. What that poster meant (I think) is the way women dressed their hair and what type of looks were favored in that era. Gladys' hair and large googly eyes was a kind of Pre-Raphaelite look that was popular in that era.

Eras have different looks. Different hair-dos are popular; different facial features are popular. Eyebrows are groomed differently; mouths are accentuated or not.

We may not find Gladys attractive in 2024 but at the time, she was attractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But with Gladys we are not talking about immigrants changing their looks. What that poster meant (I think) is the way women dressed their hair and what type of looks were favored in that era. Gladys' hair and large googly eyes was a kind of Pre-Raphaelite look that was popular in that era.

Eras have different looks. Different hair-dos are popular; different facial features are popular. Eyebrows are groomed differently; mouths are accentuated or not.

We may not find Gladys attractive in 2024 but at the time, she was attractive.

I disagree that Gladys would have been considered attractive at the time based on her looks. I think it’s the money and status that did it. Gladys does look like Consuelo Vanderbilt, who was regarded as a great beauty. So was Jennie Jerome (Churchill’s mom), who I would say is objectively attractive by our current standards. It’s impossible to say what people really thought of the looks of rich debutantes, just like you cannot get an Englishman to admit that Queen Elizabeth II was ugly, just plain ugly. Money and status gets in the way of objective opinions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't deal with how ugly Gladys is.

She has a look that’s not uncommon in pictures from that time period

Similar to turner as well

A phenotype you don’t see as often today

Do phenotypes change that quickly?

Yes, immigration and economics def change phenotypes fast

If you go to Europe, you quickly start seeing body shapes and facial structures that are not “American” even if you limit it to just “white” people

Absolutely. Google photos of the first waves of Italian immigrants to the US in the late 19th and early 20th century. They are much swarthier, smaller, indeed "darker" people. But their descendants, even in purely Italian American families, are taller, lighter, not so "swarthy." It's fascinating. Same will happen to the Hispanic population, many will morph into "white Hispanics" over time.

No, Italian Americans are taller from eating better food and lighter from not having to work out in the fields. (In addition to a lot of intermarriage and not all of it on the up and up—look at how many people have found out their grandpa wasn’t really their grandpa from commercial DNA tests.) They are also cleaner from the daily showers their ancestors didn’t have on the ships that took them to Ellis Island. (Swedish immigrants look pretty swarthy coming off the boats, too.) The Hispanic population that is predominantly of Native American or Mestizo ancestry may grow taller from better nutrition, but their skin will stay dark unless they marry lighter skinned people.

How wrong you are.

[Anonymous]

I loved it. There were some episodes more exciting and beautiful than others but overall really enjoyed it. Glad a season 3 is coming!

[Anonymous]

Having a hard time getting through the current season. really enjoyed season 1 though. Maybe there's just too many options that are more intriguing to me.