Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

If this is a fight for survival then please go join the IDF and fight, I will respect you more if you did that. Stop trying to spread propaganda from the comfort of your Bethesda home, stop utilizing another country’s resources and its government for survival. Stand on your own two feet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How great! Now DCUM is attacking people's jobs due to their ethnicity and religion.

And yet, you would be one of the very first people to line up and demand that Tlaib be forcibly removed from office.

Tlaib is actively promoting the death of Jews with her “From the River to the Sea” chanting and praising the “martyrs” who undertook 10/7. Her ACTIONS and words are the issue, not her religion or ethnicity.

Blinken has been supportive of Israel but has decried their actions in Gaza. Despite being a Jew.

Big difference. Or should I say, if you can’t see that distinction, that’s on you.

Biden and Blinken are seen as jokes in Israel and the region. Both put the interests of Israel before the interests of the US. Anything they say publicly about Israel restraining itself, not targeting civilians, hospitals bombing, etc is for US consumption. We all heard Blinken’s and Biden’s publicly statements in Israel and some of the private comments were leaked.

Now you can judge what Blinken and Biden say privately to Israel by the actions of Israel. Israel has openly ridiculed Blinken’s and Biden’s calls for restrain and have in fact increased their operations and continued to target civilians in Gaza. This is after Biden calls for them to stop. Blinken has never called for a stop or restraint. He has shown crocodile tears for the 22,000 Palestinians kills but is quick to add Israel has a right to defend itself. Like killing 22,000 civilians is self defend?

Also look at who Blinken meets with in the region. It is Israel and the PA in the West Bank. The PA in the West Bank has no power and is just for window dressing. The regional powers know Blinken is totally in for Israel. So why meet with Israel’s lackey?

This may or may not be true. But who cares? Bliken has best interest of U.S. in mind, that is what matters to me. The wants and desires of Palestinians are not my priority.

Umm…no. Blinken has the best interests of Israel in mind not U.S. Every single policy decision taken by Blinken has been only to the benefit of Israel, for the U.S it has actually made us targets.

You misread what benefits the U.S. as being about Israel. You are not able to understand because your only concern is about Palestinian wants (not needs but wants). What Palestinians want may not be good for the U.S.
What Palestinians want isn't by default a morals good, or even a moral issue, or good for the U
S.
Your physical presence in the U.S. now doesn't mean that this country takes ownership of your desires

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

If this is a fight for survival then please go join the IDF and fight, I will respect you more if you did that. Stop trying to spread propaganda from the comfort of your Bethesda home, stop utilizing another country’s resources and its government for survival. Stand on your own two feet.

Hamas doesn't stand on its own two feet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

If this is a fight for survival then please go join the IDF and fight, I will respect you more if you did that. Stop trying to spread propaganda from the comfort of your Bethesda home, stop utilizing another country’s resources and its government for survival. Stand on your own two feet.

Are you quoting Trump on Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

If this is a fight for survival then please go join the IDF and fight, I will respect you more if you did that. Stop trying to spread propaganda from the comfort of your Bethesda home, stop utilizing another country’s resources and its government for survival. Stand on your own two feet.

Hamas doesn't stand on its own two feet.

Fair point.

Biden's tens of millions to the PA and billions to Iran have probably had a role too.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

If this is a fight for survival then please go join the IDF and fight, I will respect you more if you did that. Stop trying to spread propaganda from the comfort of your Bethesda home, stop utilizing another country’s resources and its government for survival. Stand on your own two feet.

Hamas doesn't stand on its own two feet.

Fair point.

Biden's tens of millions to the PA and billions to Iran have probably had a role too.

Yes countries do not operate in a vacuum shocking. "Palestine" as you call yourself (you could just to live as Arabs in Israel, that is what I would do", can form partnerships and seek financial assistance as well, but they cannot force this, no matter how many angry protests occur.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

What’s tiring, in addition to getting through your word salad, is the continual doubt cast upon Israel regarding the events of 10/7 and this doubt justified by “Israel always lies”, “Israel propaganda”, etc. It precedes Netanyahu and this mentality is rooted in the sooooo tired trope of Jews lie/can’t be trusted/scheme. Give me a break with your outrage and the charge of antisemitism. If you critique Israel using antisemitic tropes, you’re engaging in antisemitism. Go figure!

Israel has been under constant attack for decades. Hamas has sworn to destroy all Jews - Israeli and otherwise. And yet it is Israel that is guilty of claiming it is a victim? Here again when the antisemitism … Jews always claiming to be the victims of atrocities and hate directed at them. So annoying, right?

Perhaps it’s your logic and grasp of morality and history that need some work.

This, as I've explained in detail, is BS. You are taking a valid concern -- that Israeli officials have already lied about specific incidents on 10/7 and therefore MAY do so again -- and tried to create a completely false narrative. I don't think anyone can be as illogical as you appear to be, so I will merely assume that you're lying too.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

I honestly think his posts are fake. There's not a person there. There's an assignment. Discredit the other "side" and push, normalize anti-Semetic language and ideas, all under the guise of reason. There's a certain pattern to the way they argue when it's an assignment, not a real person with a belief... And that poster is checking every one of the boxes.

Actually, it's "her posts" -- not "his posts." You can give up the libel that any criticism of Israel's credibility is "antisemitic." I can assure you, I'm not the only Jew who believes Israel has some major moral handicaps.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

If this is a fight for survival then please go join the IDF and fight, I will respect you more if you did that. Stop trying to spread propaganda from the comfort of your Bethesda home, stop utilizing another country’s resources and its government for survival. Stand on your own two feet.

This is not the PP you are responding to, but I will say if you are telling Jews to fight for their survival, then ok, if/when they fight, don't complains about "babies" and "civilians".

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

Agreed. A couple sentences in each of their posts about how rape is bad (if it happened) but then several paragraphs about how Israel/Jews lie. Talk about willful ignorance.

Show me where I says that "Jews lie." You can't. Israel's government lies its behind off, as is fairly universally agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:How great! Now DCUM is attacking people's jobs due to their ethnicity and religion.

And yet, you would be one of the very first people to line up and demand that Tlaib be forcibly removed from office.

Tlaib is actively promoting the death of Jews with her “From the River to the Sea” chanting and praising the “martyrs” who undertook 10/7. Her ACTIONS and words are the issue, not her religion or ethnicity.

Blinken has been supportive of Israel but has decried their actions in Gaza. Despite being a Jew.

Big difference. Or should I say, if you can’t see that distinction, that’s on you.

Biden and Blinken are seen as jokes in Israel and the region. Both put the interests of Israel before the interests of the US. Anything they say publicly about Israel restraining itself, not targeting civilians, hospitals bombing, etc is for US consumption. We all heard Blinken’s and Biden’s publicly statements in Israel and some of the private comments were leaked.

Now you can judge what Blinken and Biden say privately to Israel by the actions of Israel. Israel has openly ridiculed Blinken’s and Biden’s calls for restrain and have in fact increased their operations and continued to target civilians in Gaza. This is after Biden calls for them to stop. Blinken has never called for a stop or restraint. He has shown crocodile tears for the 22,000 Palestinians kills but is quick to add Israel has a right to defend itself. Like killing 22,000 civilians is self defend?

Also look at who Blinken meets with in the region. It is Israel and the PA in the West Bank. The PA in the West Bank has no power and is just for window dressing. The regional powers know Blinken is totally in for Israel. So why meet with Israel’s lackey?

Blinken does push back on Israel. I burst Biden /WH wasn’t too happy about the beheaded babies drama and the hospital bombing and Arab leaders cancelling meetings on the eve of Biden going to Israel and the ME . The administration is not hand holding Israel the way a Mitt Romney or Donald Trump or Nikki Haley administration would.

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Anonymous wrote:The victim mentality is really beyond what I even imagined.

Literally murdering thousands of kids and still screaming “everyone hates us for no reason!!”

It’s certifiable

It is certifiable that so many people hate Israelis and Jews, no?

It that every Jew is responsible for what Israeli policy is. Must mean every Muslim is pro Hamas / pro terrorist.

This is a good point. "If you don't support Hamas and believe everything it says unconditionally, you must be an Islamophobe who wants to genocide all Muslims" makes as much sense as "If you don't support Israel and believe everything it says unconditionally, you must be an antisemite who wants to genocide all Jews."

I suspect the previous poster(s) understands this, but they're backed into a corner and can only spew a smokescreen of insults. Which is a very dishonest practice.

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Anonymous wrote:The victim mentality is really beyond what I even imagined.

Literally murdering thousands of kids and still screaming “everyone hates us for no reason!!”

It’s certifiable

It is certifiable that so many people hate Israelis and Jews, no?

Not Jews, the Israeli government.

"I'll tell you what you REALLY think!" incoming ...

yes, because what you are implying, is clear. That is how the English language works, really, how reading works. One can use all sorts of words to convey a point, and the point still comes across.

If you really cared about not being called anti Semitic, you would be saddened at accusations of being called anti Semitic--I would be, and would apologize profusely for any misuderstanding.

Not the PP (there appear to be multiple contributors to this conversation), but isn't this like asking, "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

Agreed. A couple sentences in each of their posts about how rape is bad (if it happened) but then several paragraphs about how Israel/Jews lie. Talk about willful ignorance.

Show me where I says that "Jews lie." You can't. Israel's government lies its behind off, as is fairly universally agreed.

They can't show you anything of the sort. Unfortunately, I've come to learn these past few months that some Jews (and even some gentiles who maniacally support Israel's actions for purely racist reasons, including the Evangelicals) are incapable of viewing Israel and the identity of a particular Jewish person as separate constructs. To them, Israel = Jews. And Jews = Israel. So if you criticize the actions of the State of Israel and/or the leadership of the State of Israel and/or the actions of the IDF (which has literally been 100.00% of all criticisms in this DCUM discussion), you ARE criticizing Jews. Moreover, these same people believe that criticism = hatred, which = you want that which you criticize dead. And that's where the anti-semitic flag is thrown with gusto and abandon.

Which is all just to say, shut your mouth about Israel or I'll tar you with the "you're an anti-semite" brush that I have by the ready to stop any conversation that I find hitting uncomfortably too close to home. Sacred cow, indeed.