FxAT vs. Cogat testing this year

[Anonymous]

I just came to know that while all 2nd graders in public schools were administered the Fxat this year, the private schools still administered the national norm CoGAT test. FxAT scores were based on a Fairfax norm while CoGAT scores are based on a national norm. How does this make it fair for the kids to all be compared together using differently administered test scores for selection into AAP?

[Anonymous]

i'm sure the people sitting on the committee understand this factoid.

[Anonymous]

AAP center eligibility is not determined by a single test score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just came to know that while all 2nd graders in public schools were administered the Fxat this year, the private schools still administered the national norm CoGAT test. FxAT scores were based on a Fairfax norm while CoGAT scores are based on a national norm. How does this make it fair for the kids to all be compared together using differently administered test scores for selection into AAP?

so you're sayig that if a private school kid were to switch to public for 3d grade and sought admission to the AAP program that kid would only have a CogAt score, which is natinally normed? Then I agree with posters above. The committee can figure out what to do with this score and it is but one factor in the decision-making process.

[Anonymous]

Private school kids need more than just a CoGAT score.
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/identification.shtml#two

[Anonymous]

I am sure that the committee members understand that, but unfortunately, without enough historic data, nobody can understand at this point the magnitude of the effect of the new county norming. So for instance, I think that everyone understands that percentiles will be lower for scores normed in FC instead of nationally. But how much lower is lower? Is an 85% FxAT equivalent to a 95% CogAT? Or is a 90% FxAT equivalent to a 95% CogAT? This is not a linear process, so nobody can answer that question, and there is huge difference between the two example versions. Same with the absence of age-norming in FxAT. We all know that the percentiles of younger kids were affected but nobody can say if a FxAT of 85% non-age-adjusted from an August-born kid would be a 90% or even a 99% if age-normed. The committee members are people too, and therefore, will be differently affected by an 80% score vs. a 90%, even being fully aware that the new scores are normed in FC and not adjusted for age.

[Anonymous]

If you feel that strong about this, send your DC to private for K-2, and stop yapping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you feel that strong about this, send your DC to private for K-2, and stop yapping.

It seems like a perfectly reasonable question, no need to be rude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am sure that the committee members understand that, but unfortunately, without enough historic data, nobody can understand at this point the magnitude of the effect of the new county norming. So for instance, I think that everyone understands that percentiles will be lower for scores normed in FC instead of nationally. But how much lower is lower? Is an 85% FxAT equivalent to a 95% CogAT? Or is a 90% FxAT equivalent to a 95% CogAT? This is not a linear process, so nobody can answer that question, and there is huge difference between the two example versions. Same with the absence of age-norming in FxAT. We all know that the percentiles of younger kids were affected but nobody can say if a FxAT of 85% non-age-adjusted from an August-born kid would be a 90% or even a 99% if age-normed. The committee members are people too, and therefore, will be differently affected by an 80% score vs. a 90%, even being fully aware that the new scores are normed in FC and not adjusted for age.

But what you do not understand is ONE SCORE DOES NOT MATTER as part of a screening file. The Committee looks at MULTIPLE CRITERIA which means that they do NOT look at ONE SCORE ONLY but look at MULTIPLE factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all know that the percentiles of younger kids were affected but nobody can say if a FxAT of 85% non-age-adjusted from an August-born kid would be a 90% or even a 99% if age-normed. The committee members are people too, and therefore, will be differently affected by an 80% score vs. a 90%, even being fully aware that the new scores are normed in FC and not adjusted for age.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all know that the percentiles of younger kids were affected but nobody can say if a FxAT of 85% non-age-adjusted from an August-born kid would be a 90% or even a 99% if age-normed. The committee members are people too, and therefore, will be differently affected by an 80% score vs. a 90%, even being fully aware that the new scores are normed in FC and not adjusted for age.

+1

My late August-born brother tested off the charts his entire life even though he was almost always the youngest in his class (redshirting wasn't the rage it was back then since parents weren't quite so crazy about micromanaging their kids lives and winning some imaginary race to I don't even know what). All this whining is ridiculous. A smart kid is going to stand out and as others have noted likely be identified by the multitude of other data points. The lack of faith and insecurity on these forums is beyond belief. Please get over yourselves! We are typically talking about 7 and 8 year olds here.

[Anonymous]

It could be one factor but why are county kids at a disadvantage because of this. It seems very unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It could be one factor but why are county kids at a disadvantage because of this. It seems very unfair.

at a disadvantage relative to what?

[Anonymous]

They are at a disadvantage because they are compared to a regional and non age adjusted norm compared to private kids who are compared to a national age adjusted norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are at a disadvantage because they are compared to a regional and non age adjusted norm compared to private kids who are compared to a national age adjusted norm.

For admission to the FCPS AAP program is that what you're saying? How many private school applicants are we talking about?