Here is why we should close schools now.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many of the posters advocating for "close the schools" work in an industry where they can not telework?
Retail, police, fire fighters, doctors, construction workers, federal jobs with security clearances, etc?
Are you really able to just completely forgo all income for the indefinite future?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

I nominate poster 15:49 to be “repurposed”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing the schools will have a significant negative impact on the provision of health care. Many health care providers (nurses, doctors, orderlies, janitorial staff, etc.) work the jobs and shifts they do precisely because of childcare. If their kids are out of school, they can't work.

DCUMs isolated and privileged suburban moms don't think about these things, but many hospital administrators are worrying a lot about this.

And yet, people in public health know these things and still believe that in some cases school closure is better for those health care workers.

Because without school closure, illness spreads far more quickly, and health care workers have to attend to far more people at one time; they don't have enough protective equipment to last. So they end up getting infected, and some of them will becomes very ill themselves.

Child care issues are difficult but can be figured out. In order to protect our health care workers we need to take mitigation strategies which will be economically difficult.

Some people in public health are advocating school closures, and some are not. Do not exaggerate. There is not a public health consensus on school closures, and it is irresponsible to post as if there is. It certainly makes the rest of your post suspect.

I have been wondering about this. I haven't scene one shred of evidence that closing schools will slow spread. Just because Italy is doing that, doesn't mean it works. Where's the science on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

They work for the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

They work for the state.

Was that PP serious? That would literally be just moving the location of the teachers and children--from school to a hotel? Was it a joke? I'm so confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

I nominate poster 15:49 to be “repurposed”

+1

All of my teaching is in secondary ed and the only kids I’ve cared for under age 11 were my own biological children. I’m not licensed for teaching little kids and have zero interest in them. I certainly am not going to report to a hotel to care for children. I’ll be at home with my own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

They work for the state.

Was that PP serious? That would literally be just moving the location of the teachers and children--from school to a hotel? Was it a joke? I'm so confused.

I believe that PP was serious, which should give you an idea of the level of critical thinking going on this thread. Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of the posters advocating for "close the schools" work in an industry where they can not telework?
Retail, police, fire fighters, doctors, construction workers, federal jobs with security clearances, etc?
Are you really able to just completely forgo all income for the indefinite future?

Okay.... so here is a new thought,

Let all other kids go. Why to kerp kids at school if their parents can telework? And want to keep kids and families protected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I have been wondering about this. I haven't scene one shred of evidence that closing schools will slow spread. Just because Italy is doing that, doesn't mean it works. Where's the science on this?

China
Singapore
Hong Kong
Taiwan (just reopened)
Japan
Italy
Iran
UAE
Saudi Arabia

so far... might have missed some

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17684187

Nonpharmaceutical interventions implemented by US cities during the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic.

RESULTS:
There were 115,340 excess pneumonia and influenza deaths (EDR, 500/100,000 population) in the 43 cities during the 24 weeks analyzed. Every city adopted at least 1 of the 3 major categories of nonpharmaceutical interventions. School closure and public gathering bans activated concurrently represented the most common combination implemented in 34 cities (79%); this combination had a median duration of 4 weeks (range, 1-10 weeks) and was significantly associated with reductions in weekly EDR. The cities that implemented nonpharmaceutical interventions earlier had greater delays in reaching peak mortality (Spearman r = -0.74, P < .001), lower peak mortality rates (Spearman r = 0.31, P = .02), and lower total mortality (Spearman r = 0.37, P = .008). There was a statistically significant association between increased duration of nonpharmaceutical interventions and a reduced total mortality burden (Spearman r = -0.39, P = .005).

CONCLUSIONS:
These findings demonstrate a strong association between early, sustained, and layered application of nonpharmaceutical interventions and mitigating the consequences of the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic in the United States. In planning for future severe influenza pandemics, nonpharmaceutical interventions should be considered for inclusion as companion measures to developing effective vaccines and medications for prophylaxis and treatment.

links to other studies here

https://www.cdc.gov/nonpharmaceutical-interventions/tools-resources/published-research.html

[Anonymous]

If the parents have no other option then school should be open for those kids only. That would still GREATLY reduce communal exposure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of the posters advocating for "close the schools" work in an industry where they can not telework?
Retail, police, fire fighters, doctors, construction workers, federal jobs with security clearances, etc?
Are you really able to just completely forgo all income for the indefinite future?

Okay.... so here is a new thought,

Let all other kids go. Why to kerp kids at school if their parents can telework? And want to keep kids and families protected.

So the kids can learn! Isn't that what school is for?

My kids are older (high school.) They don't need anyone to watch them at home. But I WANT them at school! They've been preparing all year for AP tests. One of my kids is graduating this year.

Most of the people who have died already had one foot at death's door to begin with. YES, I value my kid's education more than prolonging a 90 year old on a respirator's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

They work for the state.

Was that PP serious? That would literally be just moving the location of the teachers and children--from school to a hotel? Was it a joke? I'm so confused.

I believe that PP was serious, which should give you an idea of the level of critical thinking going on this thread. Unbelievable.

Scary. Even scarier when you consider the origin of these ideas is our executive branch.

[Anonymous]

Read this translation of a letter from a doctor currently working in the outbreak in Bergamo Italy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ffa2tf/testimony_of_a_surgeon_working_in_bergamo_in_the/

He hasn't seen his son for two week; he doesn't want to risk getting his son infected and then having the illness passed on to a grandparent. I suspect most critical workers on the front line would feel the same. I know in Wuhan during the worst of the outbreak medical workers would work a 30 day shift, living in a dorm, and then leave duty, quarantine for 14 days and return home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All right, advocates for immediate wide closures, tell me this. How do you expect to replace all the healthcare workers who will have to stop work if their kids can't go to school? Do you have any idea what percentage of nurses are women with kids at home? Do you know how many of them could suddenly find immediate and affordable replacement childcare?

Do you really want to reduce the availability of healthcare providers now? Really??

Teachers can be repurposed as day care workers. Rent a hotel and there you are.

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you are not this dim.

They work for the state.

Was that PP serious? That would literally be just moving the location of the teachers and children--from school to a hotel? Was it a joke? I'm so confused.

I believe that PP was serious, which should give you an idea of the level of critical thinking going on this thread. Unbelievable.

The PP gets points for efforts to solve a problem. Is it better just to sit and watch this spread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of the posters advocating for "close the schools" work in an industry where they can not telework?
Retail, police, fire fighters, doctors, construction workers, federal jobs with security clearances, etc?
Are you really able to just completely forgo all income for the indefinite future?

Okay.... so here is a new thought,

Let all other kids go. Why to kerp kids at school if their parents can telework? And want to keep kids and families protected.

So the kids can learn! Isn't that what school is for?

My kids are older (high school.) They don't need anyone to watch them at home. But I WANT them at school! They've been preparing all year for AP tests. One of my kids is graduating this year.

Most of the people who have died already had one foot at death's door to begin with. YES, I value my kid's education more than prolonging a 90 year old on a respirator's life.

Your child can prep for AP tests at home. Homeschoolers do very well on AP tests.

And if your child’s teacher over age 50 gets sick, you might end up with a warm body sub for six weeks anyway.