I will hurt your dog. I will kick it as hard as I can, with the intention of causing injury if possible, if it touches me or my child. Or I will hit it on the snout or the head as hard as I can with my metal water bottle.
So while you don't care about whether people are OK with being slimed by your animal's gross nose or if their kids are going to have an allergic reaction to the slobber when your animal licks them, even you should be concerned about possible injury to your "fur baby."
You are an unhinged menace that probably shouldn't be circulating freely in society.
Touch grass and seek help, you need it.
I don't think it would ever happen with any dog that can cause serious harm. Kicking the dog with intend to harm might result in serious injuries for the human, dogs are simply faster (I'm not talking about skittish Maltese or mini doodle here of course). Only absolute unhinged person would go for the escalation like that in their kids presence.
Agree, that PP needs help
I will hurt your dog. I will kick it as hard as I can, with the intention of causing injury if possible, if it touches me or my child. Or I will hit it on the snout or the head as hard as I can with my metal water bottle.
So while you don't care about whether people are OK with being slimed by your animal's gross nose or if their kids are going to have an allergic reaction to the slobber when your animal licks them, even you should be concerned about possible injury to your "fur baby."
And you people think the dog owners are the insane ones? First the poster threatens to poison dogs now this poster is literally threatening to injure someone’s dog.
And dog owners on this post have suggested they will intentionally take their dogs places they aren't supposed to be or forced interaction between their dog and people like OP.
A lot of petty children on this thread today.
Literally who said that at any time on this thread?
DP. Have you not read this thread? A woman on page 1 said this: “Most mentally healthy people find these interactions pleasant and fulfilling even, but clearly you do not. That is not typical and the world should not be required to adjust to your extreme hypersensitivity.”
One woman told OP she was likely a terrible person who didn’t return grocery carts. And several others telling her that dogs are all friendly and she should get over herself, she should never go out in public, and mocking her that she should wear a shirt to warn the dogs. One woman demanded to know what OP’s body language was, suggesting it was her problem.
Anonymous wrote:To the OP, don’t try to signal with your hands that you don’t want the dog to come near you. Your signals could easily be misinterpreted.
Please use your words to say “I do not like dogs, please do not let him approach” - I and many others will respect that and will keep our dogs out of your way.
This is kind of weird. Why don’t you assume that nobody wants to meet your dog unless they expressly stop or say they’d like to pet him?
Also, I think people are neglecting the fact that many of us have pointed out that this isn’t wholly uncommon that people assume walking by wants to meet their dog if they have them off leash in the neighborhood, at the beach, etc.
Anonymous wrote:To the OP, don’t try to signal with your hands that you don’t want the dog to come near you. Your signals could easily be misinterpreted.
Please use your words to say “I do not like dogs, please do not let him approach” - I and many others will respect that and will keep our dogs out of your way.
This is kind of weird. Why don’t you assume that nobody wants to meet your dog unless they expressly stop or say they’d like to pet him?
Also, I think people are neglecting the fact that many of us have pointed out that this isn’t wholly uncommon that people assume walking by wants to meet their dog if they have them off leash in the neighborhood, at the beach, etc.
Because, as has been established, accidents can happen where we bump into you. If you say you don’t like dogs, I’ll step into the street and let you pass with a wide berth. But I’m not assuming everyone has such a serious dog aversion.
I will hurt your dog. I will kick it as hard as I can, with the intention of causing injury if possible, if it touches me or my child. Or I will hit it on the snout or the head as hard as I can with my metal water bottle.
So while you don't care about whether people are OK with being slimed by your animal's gross nose or if their kids are going to have an allergic reaction to the slobber when your animal licks them, even you should be concerned about possible injury to your "fur baby."
And you people think the dog owners are the insane ones? First the poster threatens to poison dogs now this poster is literally threatening to injure someone’s dog.
And dog owners on this post have suggested they will intentionally take their dogs places they aren't supposed to be or forced interaction between their dog and people like OP.
A lot of petty children on this thread today.
Literally who said that at any time on this thread?
DP. Have you not read this thread? A woman on page 1 said this: “Most mentally healthy people find these interactions pleasant and fulfilling even, but clearly you do not. That is not typical and the world should not be required to adjust to your extreme hypersensitivity.”
One woman told OP she was likely a terrible person who didn’t return grocery carts. And several others telling her that dogs are all friendly and she should get over herself, she should never go out in public, and mocking her that she should wear a shirt to warn the dogs. One woman demanded to know what OP’s body language was, suggesting it was her problem.
So, to be clear, you’ve identified zero comments where people suggested “they will intentionally take their dogs places they aren't supposed to be or forced interaction between their dog and people like OP.” You just found people telling OP she was unreasonable.
Anonymous wrote:Honestly this is something YOU have to get over. You are clearly not well mentally and while I feel sorry for your history, you do live in a society where people have pets and children, etc and there will be interactions with them. Most mentally healthy people find these interactions pleasant and fulfilling even, but clearly you do not. That is not typical and the world should not be required to adjust to your extreme hypersensitivity. Try meds, therapy or consider in patient treatment. I wish you well
NO! I love dogs but not strange dogs. Keep them away from me too.
I definitely keep my dog away from strange people, especially unhinged people like op. My 4lb dog is convinced everyone loves her because she hasn’t met people who don’t. She is well trained though and doesn’t jump. If you come up to her and don’t pet her, she likely will boop you in the leg with her nose.
I do have a strange neighbor that crosses the street when he sees dogs and goes on rants about dogs being ritually unclean. I’ve never done anything to upset him.
Anonymous wrote:I definitely keep my dog away from strange people, especially unhinged people like op. My 4lb dog is convinced everyone loves her because she hasn’t met people who don’t. She is well trained though and doesn’t jump. If you come up to her and don’t pet her, she likely will boop you in the leg with her nose.
I do have a strange neighbor that crosses the street when he sees dogs and goes on rants about dogs being ritually unclean. I’ve never done anything to upset him.
Your dog has probably met people who don’t like dogs. You didn’t realize it.
My dog loves people but I’d never let him touch someone without their permission. I knew some people who’d been attacked by dogs. They’re afraid of dogs and have a lot of anxiety. No need to add to their pain.
Anonymous wrote:I definitely keep my dog away from strange people, especially unhinged people like op. My 4lb dog is convinced everyone loves her because she hasn’t met people who don’t. She is well trained though and doesn’t jump. If you come up to her and don’t pet her, she likely will boop you in the leg with her nose.
I do have a strange neighbor that crosses the street when he sees dogs and goes on rants about dogs being ritually unclean. I’ve never done anything to upset him.
“She likely will boop you?” What? So if I come over to talk to you—not to pet your dog—I can expect to get booped? Why does your dog demand attention from strangers? I really don’t care about a boop, but I do care about being licked, jumped on, or having my crotch probed for whatever interesting thing the dog thinks I’m hiding in there. If none of these apply to your dog, great.
Anonymous wrote:I definitely keep my dog away from strange people, especially unhinged people like op. My 4lb dog is convinced everyone loves her because she hasn’t met people who don’t. She is well trained though and doesn’t jump. If you come up to her and don’t pet her, she likely will boop you in the leg with her nose.
I do have a strange neighbor that crosses the street when he sees dogs and goes on rants about dogs being ritually unclean. I’ve never done anything to upset him.
“She likely will boop you?” What? So if I come over to talk to you—not to pet your dog—I can expect to get booped? Why does your dog demand attention from strangers? I really don’t care about a boop, but I do care about being licked, jumped on, or having my crotch probed for whatever interesting thing the dog thinks I’m hiding in there. If none of these apply to your dog, great.
DP, but yes, if you come up and have a conversation with me while I’m walking my dog, my dog will want to interact with you in a prosocial way—he will sniff you, put his nose near your hand, and try to press up against you. Why, because dogs are social creatures and interested in human affection. If you don’t want to interact with my dog in any remote way, please do not stop me to converse while I’m walking my dog. If you come up to me to have a conversation (interrupting my dog walk), I will reasonably assume you’re comfortable normally interacting with my dog.
Anonymous wrote:OP sounds like a weirdo. I never let my dogs approach random people, but I regularly have random people (and kids!) approaching my dogs. Fortunately both are friendly.
If you are walking on a city sidewalk, it may be unavoidable to come into contact with a dog if lots of people are around.
Op and her supporters on here are definitely weirdos. She also seems to be a person who just happens to find herself a victim again and again. At a certain point, a person needs to look in the mirror.
^ and obviously no one is saying a dog should be able to jump on Op or anything close to that. But it’s clear many people on here are talking about the most minor of interactions with properly leashed dogs.
Anonymous wrote:Honestly this is something YOU have to get over. You are clearly not well mentally and while I feel sorry for your history, you do live in a society where people have pets and children, etc and there will be interactions with them. Most mentally healthy people find these interactions pleasant and fulfilling even, but clearly you do not. That is not typical and the world should not be required to adjust to your extreme hypersensitivity. Try meds, therapy or consider in patient treatment. I wish you well
I managed to own a dog for 15 years, living in an apartment in urban areas, without him touching a single person on our walk who didn't specifically ask to pet him. Most people do not find a strange dog they don't know touching them without a clear affirmative consent "pleasant and fulfilling". They find it invasive. The fact that you think that's "extreme hypersensitivity" is bizarre.
There is middle ground here. I am a dog owner. I absolutely hate off-leash dogs, and I never intentionally bring my dog to someone without them expressly inviting it. But also if you're walking on a city sidewalk, my dog might turn around to sniff you and might even boop you with his snout because there just isn't a lot of room to pass and my dog isn't perfect. The interaction won't be long because I keep his leash very short when we pass someone, but I can't guarantee perfect.
Shorten your leash or don't have a dog if you cannot walk them without it touching other people or invading their space
I grab dog’s leash so he’s right up against me. The sidewalk is like 6 feet wide or less. Two people plus a dog means we’re all coming in close proximity.
So when you’re coming into close proximity with someone who is indicating they want to avoid your dog, stop, put yourself between your dog and the other person and make your dog is secure. If shortening the leash can’t assure your control, then hold the collar, use both hands, sit on the ground with the dog in your lap while you hug it, pick it up altogether, step off the sidewalk so the other person can pass, hire a dog walker who can control the dog, take it some place where there’s no chance of it being too close to others who don’t welcome interaction, or leave the dog home altogether. The fact is that every single human has the right to use the sidewalk without being accosted by a dog. Dogs are extended the privilege of sidewalk access only when the owner’s control insures they don’t inconvenience other people.
This cannot be a serious post. You would rather I sit on the sidewalk and hug my well behaved properly leashed dog than literally step to the side, as I will do, as we pass?
The dog hating insanity has gone off the deep end.
DP here: If your dog is so well behaved then you can see someone who is approaching and move him to the other side. Or stop and put them in a sit. Or have them on a head collar so you can keep them looking at you.
If none of those work then your dog doesn’t belong on crowded sidewalks, so your options would include driving to a less crowded place or physically restraining your dog, or getting a dog trainer.
No. I have no obligation to do that. Keeping
My dog on a short leash is plenty. Both my dog and I are allowed to be there. If you hate dogs that much, then YOU move. We’re not talking about a restaurant or grocery store where dogs are prohibited. These are dog-friendly sidewalks and walking trails.
Who made them dog friendly? You don’t get to just proclaim that.
Your dog will never have as many rights as the person walking, you lunatic.
The “dogs permitted on a six-foot leash” sign, the county ordinances, the laws? Are you insane?
These are laws that allow dogs, it doesn't make the place dog-friendly. The laws are saying "you MAY bring your dog here, but only if the dog doesn't bother people."
It's like how there are lots of place kids are allowed but are not "kid-friendly" places. Restaurants and airplanes, for instance. You can bring kids there, but if your kid is running around, bothering other people, screaming, etc, then you will be asked to leave or you might be banned from the airline or. held accountable for your kids' behavior in other ways. A "kid-friendly" place is a playground, a school, a kid's birthday party, a family restaurant, Chuck-e-Cheese, etc. Places where kids can run amok and no one cares.
Honey, these places are literally listed on the county website as “dog-friendly” places.
Yes, parks where dogs are free to run around and are encouraged to congregate.
There is no such thing as a "dog friendly sidewalk." Dogs must be controlled on sidewalks. Always.
HONEY.
Are sidewalks human friendly? Humans still have to behave on sidewalks. You’re absolutely insufferable. Leashed dogs are allowed to be on sidewalks. And they’re allowed to exhibit normal, safe behavior on sidewalks.
I don't know if anyone has explained this to you yet, but dogs and humans are different.
Both are allowed on sidewalks only under certain parameters.
Nope.
Humans are entitled to sidewalks. If a sidewalk doesn't accommodate a human because they are in a wheelchair, for instance, that human can sue the city and force them to change the sidewalk to ensure the human has access to it.
Dogs are merely permitted on sidewalks if their owners follow specific rules that are designed to ensure the presence of the dog doesn't inhibit the ability of other humans to use it. If a dog can't use a sidewalk (say it's a dachshund and the sidewalk has obstacles that would make it impossible for such a short animal to use it) it doesn't matter -- that dog owner just has to figure out something else.
Again, humans and dogs are different.
Nope! Humans have to comport themselves with care and control on sidewalks. They can’t jump on people or grab people. They can’t engage in illegal conduct. They typically aren’t allowed to ride bikes on the sidewalk. They are allowed on sidewalks only so long as they’re behaving lawfully and reasonably.
We don't currently have a scourge of people jumping on or grabbing other people on sidewalks because, and say it with me this time: humans and dogs are different.
lol have you ever gone into DC
lol I live in DC and in the part where people do all kinds of obnoxious and even criminal things and yet even here, I never have people running up to me, sticking their faces in my crotch, or licking me.
Because humans and dogs are different.
People literally sleep on sidewalks and absolutely intentionally touch strangers
A person sleeping on a sidewalk doesn't actually harm me. I don't love it but as long as they aren't obstructing the sidewalk, it doesn't impact me.
I've lived in DC for 25 years and have never been intentionally touched by a stranger.
If a person walked up to me and licked me or stuck their face in my crotch, I would call the cops and press charges and they would be arrested. Why should a dog be allowed to do something that would be a criminal act by a human?
Because, as you keep noting, dogs and humans are different.
All jokes aside, dogs don’t have “intent,” and evidently you have been unintentionally touched by humans on the sidewalk. And aren’t you the one who said it is NEVER OKAY for a dog to brush up against a human?
The fact that dogs don't have intent and don't understand that not everyone is okay being near them is explicitly why dogs are required to be leashed and humans are not.
The point of the leash is for you to force your dog to do things that humans are expected to do without a leash, like not sniff and lick everyone walking past. If you just leash your dog but continue to let them do these things that would get a human arrested, then you aren't actually complying with the leash law, which is why leash laws almost always including phrasing like "controlled by a leash" of a certain length. The law doesn't just require your dog to have a leash, they require the owner to be actively using the leash to keep their dog away from other people.
Because human beings are capable of intent and can understand stuff like assault laws or even just social norms, we don't leash them. But if a human violates these rules they can be arrested and/or publicly shunned and shamed, whereas a dog cannot be because a dog isn't a person.
The problems is that many dog owners think leashes are for decoration and that dogs should be permitted to bother anyone they want as long as they aren't biting or attacking, and that's explicitly not what the law says. The law says you need to control your dog via a leash (which means pulling it away from anyone they approach unless that person has explicitly given permission to be approached).
Thus how a dog owner comes to believe a sidewalk is a "dog friendly" space simply because their dog isn't banned from being there, and the dog should be permitted to wander and approach people at will. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the law and why it exists.
Once again being pedantic and moving the goal posts. Nobody said it’s okay for an owner to let a dog jump on or lick a stranger. But you said it’s not okay for a dog to brush up against a person accidentally. That’s not true and it’s a gross and unreasonable overreaction to a normal part of life that comes with being in public spaces that are dog-friendly (yes, there is no difference between being “dog-allowed” and “dog-friendly” because it’s still not okay for a dog to jump on or lick someone in the overwhelming majority of dog-friendly spaces).
If your point is that owners need to use the leash the stop their dogs from jumping up on strangers, then we’re in heated agreement. If your point is that people with dogs need to jump off the sidewalk and give a three-foot berth to anyone passing them because they might take extreme offense to the dog’s fur rubbing up against them, then you’re absolutely insane.
I never said that. The number of circumstances where a dog owner couldn't prevent their dog from brushing against people incidentally without decent training and leash control is so infinitesimal that I dont' even think it's worth addressing.
The vast majority of the time, if your dog is bumping into other people, it's because you aren't sufficiently controlling them in a public space.
You’re not the person who said: “Dogs are one hundred percent not allowed to brush up against anyone you idiot.”?
I’m going to start touching dog owners when they allow their dog to touch me without my consent. A little pet on the head is fine right?
It’s a common occurrence to brush up against people accidentally at restaurants, bars, airports, public transit, concerts, and *gasp* sidewalks. So yeah, that’d be fine.
When you idiots try to compare dog to people you sound unhinged. You know that right?
No one is walking me on a leash you moron.
Accidental, incidental touching in a crowded place is not offensive by a reasonable person standard. The law is not going to recognize your deep offense. Acknowledge your belief is idiosyncratic and the world doesn’t revolve around you.
Your dog is not supposed to be in crowded places where you are not able to keep them from touching other people. Keep your dog away from people you insufferable moron. Your entitlement is off the charts.
Dogs aren’t allowed to pass people on a narrow sidewalk? Dogs aren’t allowed on Manhattan sidewalks? Be real here. You know this isn’t true, and you’re the one expecting the world to revolve around you and your bizarre hypersensitivity.
You put your dog on the outside. How can you not see that obvious solution. People who walk their dog so it’s in the middle of the sidewalk are selfish idiots.
Most sidewalks are narrow.
No they aren't stop being dramatic. When people walk past each other on most sidewalks, are they bumping shoulders? No. Come on. If a sidewalk is wide enough for two people to pass without making any physical contact, then it is wide enough for your dog to pass without making any physical contact.
Some of you are acting like everyone in the world is squeezing down three foot wide sidewalks and just barely getting by. This is stupid, please stop. There are very few sidewalks so narrow that you dog can't be kept away from other people and dogs with room to spare.
Have you ever tried passing someone with a stroller (much less a double) on a residential sidewalk?
Uh, yes, many times, like every other parent. It is not hard and I don't find myself physically touching strangers with the stroller. You just... walk past. If people were constantly running into other people with strollers, I guarantee you there would be a thread on here telling them to stop doing that.
The standard residential sidewalk is 4-6 feet. That is enough room for a person with a dog on a leash to pass another person without physically touching them.
The 'standard' is 4-5 feet.
Now i need to measure our sidewalks but there is no way our sidewalks in MoCo are 5 feet wide. I am a smidge over 5 feet tall -- I can't lay down on the sidewalk crossways! I think ours are maybe 3 feet. I can't pass a person with a single stroller without walking out onto the street, never mind a double stroller. And much of the sidewalk is often blocked by people's overgrown bushes, which is a totally different problem that irritates me.
I will hurt your dog. I will kick it as hard as I can, with the intention of causing injury if possible, if it touches me or my child. Or I will hit it on the snout or the head as hard as I can with my metal water bottle.
So while you don't care about whether people are OK with being slimed by your animal's gross nose or if their kids are going to have an allergic reaction to the slobber when your animal licks them, even you should be concerned about possible injury to your "fur baby."
And you people think the dog owners are the insane ones? First the poster threatens to poison dogs now this poster is literally threatening to injure someone’s dog.
And dog owners on this post have suggested they will intentionally take their dogs places they aren't supposed to be or forced interaction between their dog and people like OP.
A lot of petty children on this thread today.
Literally who said that at any time on this thread?
DP. Have you not read this thread? A woman on page 1 said this: “Most mentally healthy people find these interactions pleasant and fulfilling even, but clearly you do not. That is not typical and the world should not be required to adjust to your extreme hypersensitivity.”
One woman told OP she was likely a terrible person who didn’t return grocery carts. And several others telling her that dogs are all friendly and she should get over herself, she should never go out in public, and mocking her that she should wear a shirt to warn the dogs. One woman demanded to know what OP’s body language was, suggesting it was her problem.
Body language is absolutely a key factor in dog encounters so if you are afraid of dogs then you should know how to act when around one in order to protect yourself. This is basic common sense.
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