Two dogs. Shown on video. Both to type/breed standard, so you can't try your "if you hold it upside down and look at it in a mirror by candlelight, it looks JUST LIKE A PIT BULL (so scary)!!!" trick
Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.
Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?
This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).
People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?
Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.
This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.
I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?
1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms
But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...
Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?
Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.
The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.
Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.
The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.
You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.
You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?
No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.
Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.
This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.
And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.
No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).
On a leash is in control
On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.
Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.
Wrong on all counts (DP here).
Here is the Montgomery County rule regarding unwanted contact from dogs:
Unwanted Contact -
The pet owner must prevent unwelcome or unsolicited threatening physical contact or close proximity to a person or a domestic animal that occurs outside the owner’s property that may cause alarm in a reasonable person, such as biting, chasing, tracking, inhibiting movement, or jumping. ($500 fine)
Since retractable leashes and leashes over 4-6 feet do not adequately prevent "unwelcome or unsolicited threatening physical contact or close proximity to a person or a domestic animal" then you are violating the law.
I personally prefer DC's rule (which simply required dogs to be on leashes of 4' or less in any public area) because it's a clearer bright line that is harder to argue with. But the rules have the same goal and that's to require dog owners to control their dogs on leashes in public areas. A dog on a long lead or a retractable leash cannot, by definition, be controlled.
Morally/ethically is a judgment call but since it's not cruel to leash a dog (and if it is then I guess we should ban dogs as pets because we cannot have dogs as pets without leash laws), I don't see the issue here.
Leash your dog, no retractable leashes, no long leads.
Not sure what your point is. A dog owner walking their dog on a retractable leash can be fined if that dog is 20 ft away and bites you. A dog owner walking their dog on a retractable leash, however, without unwanted contact, has their dog leashed.
Whether this dog had a 4-6' leash or a retractable leash, though, didn't save it.
I'm reminded of the dog that was killed in front of its owner, while on a leash, in Falls Church, by a crazy man with a knife. Being on a leash didn't save that dog either.
The goal of a leash is not to protect the dog. The goal of the leash is to protect everyone else from the dog. We have different laws to address crazy people with knives -- these laws, unfortunately, are not 100% effective.
But actually, technically, a dog owner walking their dog on a retractable leash can be fined if they are unable to prevent unwanted contact from the dog. Their dog doesn't have to be 10 feet away and they don't have to bit anyone. If the dog is not under the owner's control, they owner is in violation of the law. I can film you walking your dog on the long leash and report you to authorities.
I'll give you this: MoCo does not explicitly ban retractable leashes. So if you keep the retractable leash retracted to a short distance and never unlock so the dog can extend it (in other words use it the way a shorter leash would function and only that way) then you might not be in violation of the law. Though I think this is stupid since retractable leashes can fail and the way the handles work make them easier for a dog to rip out of an owner's hands, so I don't get why you wouldn't just get a regular leash. Also retractable leashes are explicitly banned a lot of places (because they don't work like leashes!) so you need to be ready to check the local laws if you take your dog outside the county. Good luck!
Honey, I live in Nova, not Moco. But I can look up their leash laws.
You are blaming these women for allowing their dog to be killed by an officer leash dog, and getting injured in the process. It's bizarre, the lengths you are going to in defending the pit bull.
No I'm not blaming these women for anything. And do not "Honey" me.
We don't know what happened with the dog attack. We don't know how the dog who was mauled was behaving or how he was controlled prior to the attack. There's no point in arguing it because we don't know
What I'm saying is that retractable leashes are not responsible. They don't allow you to control your dog. This is why they are banned many places. A lot of newer dig owners might not realize the problem with them (they just think "oh great if the leash retracts then I can let my dog wander but still pull him back if I need to" not understanding that a retractable leash is not a good way to do that). So I am attempting to educate people in the problem with retractable leashes and explain why under MoCo law, you are much better off with a shorter, solid leash and training your dog for recall.
FTR this poster goes by Hunty, so address appropriately!
Anonymous wrote:It's a bunch of weirdos who like dogs better than people because they lack the social skills to be accepted by people. Example A is the pit bull lover posting prolifically on here.
+100. Seems that the shelters are full of "lab mixes" which almost always means it's part bull. We have a neighbor whose family just got one of these "lab mixes", and we're definitely not letting our dog-loving 14 year old daughter ever care for or walk this dog.
Don't even get me started on the whole movement recently about "I prefer dogs to people." It's weird and not normal human behavior. If you relate better to dogs than humans, you likely need therapy.
Oh, and our family owns two (well trained and gentle) dogs, before I get labeled as a dog hater. You would never hear me or DH say that we love our dogs more than any human, however. That's just bizarre.
I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.
Recently volunteered with dd at a pet adoption event. They had so many “shepherd / retriever” mixes that looked nothing like a shepherd. Googled it and found it’s usually “pit mix”. It’s harder to tell when the dog is very young for someone who’s not very experienced with dogs. So I can see how people end up with pit mixes from rescues. In any cases it’s very sad.
It is sick how the rescues lie.
It's sick how the people who don't volunteer say hideous lies about those who do. If y'all weren't out here spreading hateful lies about "pit bulls" "pit mixes" would be easier to rehome. Some shelters do put the mix first. I doubt the dog looked "nothing like a shepherd" because most people don't really want them either (nor should GSDs and their type be treated any differently from the "pit bulls"; they share a lot of the same "dangerous" characteristics, including high bite strength and high energy/drive).
You should volunteer. We can teach you, and then you'll know better and suck less.
Volunteer with animal control first so you can be educated.
I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.
Recently volunteered with dd at a pet adoption event. They had so many “shepherd / retriever” mixes that looked nothing like a shepherd. Googled it and found it’s usually “pit mix”. It’s harder to tell when the dog is very young for someone who’s not very experienced with dogs. So I can see how people end up with pit mixes from rescues. In any cases it’s very sad.
It is sick how the rescues lie.
It's sick how the people who don't volunteer say hideous lies about those who do. If y'all weren't out here spreading hateful lies about "pit bulls" "pit mixes" would be easier to rehome. Some shelters do put the mix first. I doubt the dog looked "nothing like a shepherd" because most people don't really want them either (nor should GSDs and their type be treated any differently from the "pit bulls"; they share a lot of the same "dangerous" characteristics, including high bite strength and high energy/drive).
You should volunteer. We can teach you, and then you'll know better and suck less.
Volunteer with animal control first so you can be educated.
Listen, more talk less.
I've worked animal control in more than one state, and volunteer with them still. Assume less, read more, maybe?
Anonymous wrote: We have a neighbor whose family just got one of these "lab mixes", and we're definitely not letting our dog-loving 14 year old daughter ever care for or walk this dog.
Why not? Serious question. Spell out your reasoning, please.
I was watching something the other night where a woman for a rescue organization was talking about pit bull adaptions and she say that they're great and that her family has two of them. She then went on to say that over the years they've been known as the "Nanny dog". Is there any shred of truth to this statement? This seems absolutely absurd to me.
Anonymous wrote:I was watching something the other night where a woman for a rescue organization was talking about pit bull adaptions and she say that they're great and that her family has two of them. She then went on to say that over the years they've been known as the "Nanny dog". Is there any shred of truth to this statement? This seems absolutely absurd to me.
As noted upthread, pitbulls have been attacking and killing children for over 100 years. The "nanny dog" stories are a myth, false.
Anonymous wrote:I was watching something the other night where a woman for a rescue organization was talking about pit bull adaptions and she say that they're great and that her family has two of them. She then went on to say that over the years they've been known as the "Nanny dog". Is there any shred of truth to this statement? This seems absolutely absurd to me.
As noted upthread, pitbulls have been attacking and killing children for over 100 years. The "nanny dog" stories are a myth, false.
Is there any other dog breed that has this much of a lobby behind it trying to convince people that they should be adopting them because they're the perfect family dog? Why anyone likes this breed is a mystery to me.
Anonymous wrote:I was watching something the other night where a woman for a rescue organization was talking about pit bull adaptions and she say that they're great and that her family has two of them. She then went on to say that over the years they've been known as the "Nanny dog". Is there any shred of truth to this statement? This seems absolutely absurd to me.
As noted upthread, pitbulls have been attacking and killing children for over 100 years. The "nanny dog" stories are a myth, false.
Is there any other dog breed that has this much of a lobby behind it trying to convince people that they should be adopting them because they're the perfect family dog? Why anyone likes this breed is a mystery to me.
Nobody is saying this. Literally no one. Quote one post on this thread where someone says "pit bulls are the perfect family dog"
This is why nobody takes your arguments at all seriously. You're not making a serious argument. You're having an emotional tantrum about something you don't even seem to understand at all well, and it makes you hard to believe (to put it mildly).
Anonymous wrote:Oh please, we all know what breed the attacking dog was. BAN PIT BULLS NOW.
No. Deal with it. Breed bans don't stop dog bites. All dogs can bite. If you want an actual solution, push for stricter licensing in a dual-tier system, with higher licensing requirements (and fees) for breeders, increase the penalties for code violations and pay for more animal control officers, and do some community outreach to train some of the clueless idiots (retractable leash users, off-leash dog owners, I'm taking about you).
Breed bans don't eliminate dog bites because all dogs bite. Period. Deal therewith.
Anonymous wrote:I was watching something the other night where a woman for a rescue organization was talking about pit bull adaptions and she say that they're great and that her family has two of them. She then went on to say that over the years they've been known as the "Nanny dog". Is there any shred of truth to this statement? This seems absolutely absurd to me.
As noted upthread, pitbulls have been attacking and killing children for over 100 years. The "nanny dog" stories are a myth, false.
Is there any other dog breed that has this much of a lobby behind it trying to convince people that they should be adopting them because they're the perfect family dog? Why anyone likes this breed is a mystery to me.
I agree. I think there's been lot of work to get this breed accepted in mainstream society. Shows like Pit Bull's and Paroles, and Pit Boss years back created an interest in the breed, plus the trendy "rescue dog" movement ensures that lots of people are going to be looking in shelters that are filled with these dogs.
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