JK Rowling's gender policing finally caught up to her

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

DP
I myself did not see PCOS mentioned. However, they included hypospadias in this article. Which has nothing to do with being intersex. The article itself states that the rate of true hermaphroditism is .0117 out of 1000 live births.

And a bunch of them end up at the Olympics. Such a puzzler.

Double puzzler: they usually end up in female sports!

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Anonymous wrote:So many ppl threatened by those different than themselves. It’s sad. Maybe they need therapy.

It’s sad that people cannot simply acknowledge and accept that there is occasionally scientific reality and fact that goes against their personal feelings and beliefs.

There are two sexes among Homo sapiens: male and female. Sex in humans is determined by the presence of XX or XY chromosomes. That’s it. That’s all that matters. Not anatomy, not opinion, not hairstyle, not feelings, not clothing, not surgery, not hormone therapy, not gender reassignment, nothing EXCEPT chromosomes dictate sex.


It’s really frustrating and frankly - weird - like Trumpian weird - that so many people who profess to trust the science in other areas (climate, pandemic safety, vaccines, etc) so stubbornly deny the science when it comes to this subject. Then it all goes back to personal feelings.

It’s disappointing. Many of you are so much less intelligent than you think you are. It’s sad.

Takes one to know one!

You’re certain there’s just “XX” and “XY.” That would be news to those with XXY and XYY conditions and others like it. But you’re so intelligent.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

You literally cannot prove anything you just wrote. Khelif is a biological female, per her own words and her country's assertions. She's even lost boxing matches to other women! You would - maybe - have a point if she was undefeated.

There is a daily mail article that says otherwise. It’s looking like she may be XY. Unless you mean that her just saying it makes it so.

“Daily Mail”? Ah! That well respected science journal! /s

It’s hilarious when people post Daily Mail “articles”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

It would seem appropriate to require people participating in women’s sports to be XX, and exclude any XY variant.

They already test for doping. Testing for XY chromosomes is no different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many ppl threatened by those different than themselves. It’s sad. Maybe they need therapy.

It’s sad that people cannot simply acknowledge and accept that there is occasionally scientific reality and fact that goes against their personal feelings and beliefs.

There are two sexes among Homo sapiens: male and female. Sex in humans is determined by the presence of XX or XY chromosomes. That’s it. That’s all that matters. Not anatomy, not opinion, not hairstyle, not feelings, not clothing, not surgery, not hormone therapy, not gender reassignment, nothing EXCEPT chromosomes dictate sex.


It’s really frustrating and frankly - weird - like Trumpian weird - that so many people who profess to trust the science in other areas (climate, pandemic safety, vaccines, etc) so stubbornly deny the science when it comes to this subject. Then it all goes back to personal feelings.

It’s disappointing. Many of you are so much less intelligent than you think you are. It’s sad.

Takes one to know one!

You’re certain there’s just “XX” and “XY.” That would be news to those with XXY and XYY conditions and others like it. But you’re so intelligent.

How many times does it need to be explained that XXY and XYY occur when something goes wrong with the process?
It is not one of the two expected outcomes for an offspring.

It’s pretty rich that you accuse others of lack of intelligence when you can’t grasp this simple concept.

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

DP
I myself did not see PCOS mentioned. However, they included hypospadias in this article. Which has nothing to do with being intersex. The article itself states that the rate of true hermaphroditism is .0117 out of 1000 live births.

And a bunch of them end up at the Olympics. Such a puzzler.

Double puzzler: they usually end up in female sports!

It’s a real head scratcher, for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

It would seem appropriate to require people participating in women’s sports to be XX, and exclude any XY variant.

They already test for doping. Testing for XY chromosomes is no different.

The irony if you go down this path is that it would likely knock out a lot of female athletes who present according to Western feminine gender norms. And it may very well be that Khelif is XY but has higher testosterone level.

And if you're going to do this, then you need to test all previous Olympic medal winners to see if their wins should be vacated. Right?

This is the can of worms you want to open. You need to really think through all the ramifications.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

It would seem appropriate to require people participating in women’s sports to be XX, and exclude any XY variant.

They already test for doping. Testing for XY chromosomes is no different.

The irony if you go down this path is that it would likely knock out a lot of female athletes who present according to Western feminine gender norms. And it may very well be that Khelif is XY but has higher testosterone level.

And if you're going to do this, then you need to test all previous Olympic medal winners to see if their wins should be vacated. Right?

This is the can of worms you want to open. You need to really think through all the ramifications.

Many/most sports governing bodies have already made rules about intersex athletes. It's not an unsolvable problem, like you are saying. It's not some scary can of worms, figuring out who is male or female. Past athletes may be disqualified going forward but medals are not taken away when eligibility rules change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

It would seem appropriate to require people participating in women’s sports to be XX, and exclude any XY variant.

They already test for doping. Testing for XY chromosomes is no different.

The irony if you go down this path is that it would likely knock out a lot of female athletes who present according to Western feminine gender norms. And it may very well be that Khelif is XY but has higher testosterone level.

And if you're going to do this, then you need to test all previous Olympic medal winners to see if their wins should be vacated. Right?

This is the can of worms you want to open. You need to really think through all the ramifications.

I see no reason to test all previous athletes. The rule would pertain moving forward.

A can of worms has to be opened. We cannot let males compete against females. Something needs to be done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

DP
I myself did not see PCOS mentioned. However, they included hypospadias in this article. Which has nothing to do with being intersex. The article itself states that the rate of true hermaphroditism is .0117 out of 1000 live births.

Oh, did you not know that it does, especially in conjunction with crypto-orchidism? This is covered in the article.

How do you justify rejecting the weighted inclusion of severe hypospadias and/or comorbid dimorphic deviation, given what we know about the genetics of it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

It would seem appropriate to require people participating in women’s sports to be XX, and exclude any XY variant.

They already test for doping. Testing for XY chromosomes is no different.

The irony if you go down this path is that it would likely knock out a lot of female athletes who present according to Western feminine gender norms. And it may very well be that Khelif is XY but has higher testosterone level.

And if you're going to do this, then you need to test all previous Olympic medal winners to see if their wins should be vacated. Right?

This is the can of worms you want to open. You need to really think through all the ramifications.

I see no reason to test all previous athletes. The rule would pertain moving forward.

A can of worms has to be opened. We cannot let males compete against females. Something needs to be done.

Repeat after me: Imane Khelif is a woman.

Can you do it? 5 simple words. Just say it.

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

LGBTQIA

What does the “I” stand for?

Oh.

Yep. It stands for people who have a genetic abnormality or syndrome. Doesn’t mean sex isn’t binary. Its stands for an abnormal process of development.

Sex is XX/XY. It’s binary and immutable in 99.99% of humans.

Everything beyond that - physical attributes, including sexual - are fluid and changeable.

You think there is any person who was immune from the possibility of XX or XY mutation while they were being formed?

Goebbels, is that you?

Obviously, I’m talking about individuals’ sex genes post-fertilization. The 0.01% accounts for mutations during fertilization.

People are born XX/XY. That remains unchanged. It’s immutable. Everything else is fluid.

This post shows PP’s complete ignorance on this issue. Go educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many ppl threatened by those different than themselves. It’s sad. Maybe they need therapy.

It’s sad that people cannot simply acknowledge and accept that there is occasionally scientific reality and fact that goes against their personal feelings and beliefs.

There are two sexes among Homo sapiens: male and female. Sex in humans is determined by the presence of XX or XY chromosomes. That’s it. That’s all that matters. Not anatomy, not opinion, not hairstyle, not feelings, not clothing, not surgery, not hormone therapy, not gender reassignment, nothing EXCEPT chromosomes dictate sex.


It’s really frustrating and frankly - weird - like Trumpian weird - that so many people who profess to trust the science in other areas (climate, pandemic safety, vaccines, etc) so stubbornly deny the science when it comes to this subject. Then it all goes back to personal feelings.

It’s disappointing. Many of you are so much less intelligent than you think you are. It’s sad.

Takes one to know one!

You’re certain there’s just “XX” and “XY.” That would be news to those with XXY and XYY conditions and others like it. But you’re so intelligent.

How many times does it need to be explained that XXY and XYY occur when something goes wrong with the process?
It is not one of the two expected outcomes for an offspring.

It’s pretty rich that you accuse others of lack of intelligence when you can’t grasp this simple concept.

Do you think "Science" is some god sitting around on a golden throne with expectations and plans? That's interpretation, and it is done by humans. Science talks about what IS. What "SHOULD BE" is a matter of interpretation, and it would be pretty squishy for a scientist to suggest otherwise.