Schools in Europe closing again

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Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

Where are you seeing learning loss outside of your own home. My child is learning - not well because it's DL but he's learning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

Data? I’m asking for data.

Not anecdotes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

Data? I’m asking for data.

Not anecdotes.

Sadly too many people here see what happens to their kid and assumes it happens to all. I've seen one child who was behind my child in reading pass my kid in reading since September. He's ESL like my child and I think its the parents doing more daily with them than I am doing with mine. That child also has older reading siblings so more readers to encourage and help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

Data? I’m asking for data.

Not anecdotes.

It's been published here and there. You have been ignoring it.

[Anonymous]

Some people are conflating regression and learning loss with learning more slowly. I’m not saying people on this thread, but I have seen it multiple times. Regression is rare (except in the case of handwriting), learning at a slower rate is, well, everywhere with distance learning.

I am a proponent of opening schools, but we need to be precise with our terminology.

[Anonymous]

You can google "learning loss from distance learning".

https://www.nwea.org/content/uploads/2020/05/Collaborative-Brief_Covid19-Slide-APR20.pdf

https://edsource.org/2020/early-data-on-learning-loss-show-big-drop-in-math-but-not-reading-skills/644416

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2020-12-14-learning-loss-is-everywhere-but-how-do-the-reports-compare

I mean, that's just three that come up quickly. There have been reports from local school districts about higher failure rates, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can google "learning loss from distance learning".

https://www.nwea.org/content/uploads/2020/05/Collaborative-Brief_Covid19-Slide-APR20.pdf

https://edsource.org/2020/early-data-on-learning-loss-show-big-drop-in-math-but-not-reading-skills/644416

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2020-12-14-learning-loss-is-everywhere-but-how-do-the-reports-compare

I mean, that's just three that come up quickly. There have been reports from local school districts about higher failure rates, for example.

The first study is a year old and what they think will happen

Second study source has an agenda "EdSurge delivers insights and connects those exploring how technology can support equitable opportunities for all learners." I'm not saying they aren't always right and this isn't true but I always look for a second source. I've used them for work to prove points not to prove facts.

Third study wasn't done right. Its only one county in California and 1/4 of the student didn't take the test so you can't prove anything other than they didn't take the test. I will be pulling my kids from testing for the next two years. I'm very pro testing but we need a reprieve of the hours and hours of testing to have kids do remediation, socialize, relax, etc.

I am not saying there isn't a slide in learning but I agree with the other poster to use the right terminology. Regression vs. loss vs. slow learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some people are conflating regression and learning loss with learning more slowly. I’m not saying people on this thread, but I have seen it multiple times. Regression is rare (except in the case of handwriting), learning at a slower rate is, well, everywhere with distance learning.

I am a proponent of opening schools, but we need to be precise with our terminology.

Regression hasn't been rare in 2020. Buncha ostriches in this thread. If you don't look, it must not be happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can google "learning loss from distance learning".

https://www.nwea.org/content/uploads/2020/05/Collaborative-Brief_Covid19-Slide-APR20.pdf

I'm asking for data documenting how students who are engaged in distance learning (i.e. who are connected with a school and teacher, but learning from home via a computer) suffer from learning loss (or failure to learn rapidly enough_ compared with students attending school in person.

You will not find the data, because we have never done this before.

That first report is talking about learning loss from "summer slide". "summer slide" is when students are NOT engaged in distance learning. It happens when students are NOT participating in any kind of educational program over the summer.

That is not the same as distance learning.

I am a teacher, and my students have been distance learning since September. I am not conducting any formal studies, but I can tell you that in my (experienced ) opinion, they are learning at about the same rate as in past years.

[Anonymous]

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https://edsource.org/2020/early-data-on-learning-loss-show-big-drop-in-math-but-not-reading-skills/644416

The second source you cited does not compare distance learning with in person learning. It looked at students who had no or very little schooling last spring, when schools were "crisis schooling". Iy did show that students didn't make the achievements they should have expected in math, but that actually for reading (despite crisis schooling) they were pretty much on track.

And that was with crisis schooling, not planned distance learning.

[Anonymous]

Crisis school what a horrible term. But yes that is what happened in April.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has a child knows they are falling behind. My son ended his quarter with a 95% and yet I know for a fact he's bored out of his mind. He's not being challenged when normally he has no complaints.

Please don't speak for us. This isn't our experience, nor the experience of the majority of people we know. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

Data? I’m asking for data.

Not anecdotes.

It's been published here and there. You have been ignoring it.

Yeah, no. This is not how it works. Those who make the claim provide the valid data to support it. Otherwise they're full of crap.

We'll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Our local public schools have been 100% virtual and are showing learning loss for the students who attend regularly.

Younger students are forgetting how to read and how to write. I guess they'll just make it up next year. Hopefully.

Data? I’m asking for data.

Not anecdotes.

It's been published here and there. You have been ignoring it.

Yeah, no. This is not how it works. Those who make the claim provide the valid data to support it. Otherwise they're full of crap.

We'll wait.

Says who?

Get a life.