Back to phase 1?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The states out west and in the south with increasing positivity rates need to mandate wearing of masks. It really is that simple.

I completely agree with you. Especially since the Governor of Texas said he has no intention of shutting things down again even though the number of hospitalizations are severely increasing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A country founded on rugged individualism is going to have a hard time containg a disease like COVID-19. It requires cooperation from almost everybody and that will not happen in the US.

We value our freedom and liberty so much that we are willing to let people die to maintain it. Just look at the gun debate. 2A advocates have already factored casualties into their equation and decided it's worth the price. Now we are doing the same with coronavirus.

I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

We are not like S. Korea or Taiwan, which are much more groupthink and conformist.

Yeah, but look at how the country came together and sacrificed during WWII. Car clubs. Rationing. Collecting metal. Conserving energy.

The difference: Leadership. We don't have it now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A country founded on rugged individualism is going to have a hard time containg a disease like COVID-19. It requires cooperation from almost everybody and that will not happen in the US.

We value our freedom and liberty so much that we are willing to let people die to maintain it. Just look at the gun debate. 2A advocates have already factored casualties into their equation and decided it's worth the price. Now we are doing the same with coronavirus.

I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

We are not like S. Korea or Taiwan, which are much more groupthink and conformist.

Yeah, but look at how the country came together and sacrificed during WWII. Car clubs. Rationing. Collecting metal. Conserving energy.

The difference: Leadership. We don't have it now.

+1,000,000.

[Anonymous]

Alabama, Texas and Florida all red states all increasing in hospitalizations. They wanted their states open.....

[Anonymous]

I think the only way back to a 1 is if the hospitals are overloaded, NYC/Lombardi Italy/Wuhan China style. I mean massive overload affecting all health care.

[Anonymous]

I think we’ll shutdown in mid-January.
The second wave will start in late October. But everyone will focus on the election.
Schools will close a week before Thanksgiving And stay shut.
Governors will be afraid to close retail during the holiday shopping season, but malls will see little traffic anyway and small businesses will be unable to compete with Amazon and the Big Boxes e-retailers who can ship for free.
The sales after 12/25 will not lure people to buy electronics (except computers) or apparel, but TP, meat, and freezers will be a big hit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So with the governors prioritizing the economy over public health what do you think it’s going to take for them to move us back into phase 1? It’s inevitable that another spike will happen esp when kids return to school in the fall.

It is not inevitable. It is possible to have few cases but not an actual SPIKE.

First - Fall is MONTHS ahead and whole HOT HUMID summer ahead.
Second - The virus is dying down
Third - Most of the population has been exposed to it and more will be exposed and clearly nothing much to write home about at this point in term of case increase due to opening.
Four - viral load is smaller and smaller and samller every day and you need a lot of it to make people sick. let alone cause the Spike.

NOTE: All our kids are interconnected. Many have families all over the globe, if they will travel to those countries where the epidemics is still active and ongoing in the mids of summer and some will.. then they can bring back the virus or be sick with it after they return,
or their family members who could have been stuck there till then.

So those outliers are possible but not mass epidemic because simply the Virus already have shaken hands with most of us.

Antibody testing is telling us maybe 5% of us has had it. Not most of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People aren't even in compliance with masks in this area. Many have quarantine fatigue. I agree that it would be extremely unlikely to shut everything down again.

They are in MD, at least if they want to enter a business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So about only 5% of the population have had the virus. Are we really going to risk the deaths of millions of Americans? And for what, so people can drink beer at a bar or eat shitty restaurant food that is causing the obesity that is killing so many under the age of 50. We deserve every bit of the hell that is coming our way. The Europeans have been right about us all along, we are fat, dumb and lazy and we’ve forgotten how to work hard and sacrifice for what’s right. I for one will be taking this time to stay healthy and stay the f**k away from you morons who are risking your lives for materialistic bullshit.

Harsh, but you’re not wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People aren't even in compliance with masks in this area. Many have quarantine fatigue. I agree that it would be extremely unlikely to shut everything down again.

I keep seeing this stated, but I’m not seeing it. At least when shopping, like I’m grocery stores, Lowes, Costco, etc, everyone is wearing a mask. I have yet to see someone who isn’t since Gov Hogan mandated it.

Outdoors, not very much. But people are social distancing in my area.

[Anonymous]

I meant outside of stores, on the street, walking in the neighborhood, having lots of people over their house often...no masks, no social distancing. In stores- MD is great!! Outside of stores? Not so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If numbers continue to go up, no other choice but to go back. It doesn't matter how you "feel" about it.

Actually, it does matter how the public feels about it, and what they are willing to put up with. If you think that’s not a factor in what your local government chooses to do, you are incorrect.

+1. They can close schools and restaurants (I don’t think they will) but they will never again get the compliance they had mid March. Most people just aren’t that afraid.

If the hospitalization rate increases to the point that hospitals no longer have beds for new cases and the death rate increases, I expect that people will be afraid enough to start staying in again.

I know our family will! We will backtrack on our own.

[Anonymous]

Seriously.. this tread is full of people who really badly want it to be bad and can not stand the good news and keep insisting that it all HAS to be going worse because it just has to...

oh wait.. we have a current picture form the meeting of the tin foil hat t hat is cooking most of those posts:

[Anonymous]

The good news does NOT penetrate the foil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I meant outside of stores, on the street, walking in the neighborhood, having lots of people over their house often...no masks, no social distancing. In stores- MD is great!! Outside of stores? Not so much.

And YET! the cases are going down. You know why? Because being outside is good for you.. and people get happy, healthy and strong while outside and the virus is afraid of happy healthy people!