Kim Kardashian Is Studying to Become a Lawyer, Wants to Take the Bar in 2022

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Anonymous wrote:That's what people.com says. I am really trying not to judge and am not a Kardashian-hater, but I just can't based on these quotes:

"The reading is what really gets me. It's so time-consuming. The concepts I grasp in two seconds," says Kim Kardashian

“First year of law school, you have to cover three subjects: criminal law, torts, and contracts,” she tells the magazine. “To me, torts is the most confusing, contracts the most boring, and crim law I can do in my sleep. Took my first test, I got a 100. Super easy for me.”

I mean, I don't think that many first-year law students would disagree! Casebooks are HORRIBLY edited, and hide the ball instead of just setting out the concepts. The concepts themselves can usually be expressed in bullet or outline form (as anyone who has actually studied successfully for a law school final or the bar knows.) The one issue where reading is appropriate is to gain a sense of the facts of a case, and how opinions and briefs are written. But 1L year generally does a horrible job of showing you how to do that.

There are many ways to be a good lawyer and advocate, and having a super high IQ or intellectual sophistication is not at all required for all of them. I say good for her.

Yes, that's the point of 1L, teaching you to "think like a lawyer", i.e., read a case and figure out the important part, discard the rest.

No, that's the hazing and terrible pedagogy of law school. It teaches you to think like a cowed law student, not like an actual lawyer!

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Anonymous wrote:That's what people.com says. I am really trying not to judge and am not a Kardashian-hater, but I just can't based on these quotes:

"The reading is what really gets me. It's so time-consuming. The concepts I grasp in two seconds," says Kim Kardashian

“First year of law school, you have to cover three subjects: criminal law, torts, and contracts,” she tells the magazine. “To me, torts is the most confusing, contracts the most boring, and crim law I can do in my sleep. Took my first test, I got a 100. Super easy for me.”

I mean, I don't think that many first-year law students would disagree! Casebooks are HORRIBLY edited, and hide the ball instead of just setting out the concepts. The concepts themselves can usually be expressed in bullet or outline form (as anyone who has actually studied successfully for a law school final or the bar knows.) The one issue where reading is appropriate is to gain a sense of the facts of a case, and how opinions and briefs are written. But 1L year generally does a horrible job of showing you how to do that.

There are many ways to be a good lawyer and advocate, and having a super high IQ or intellectual sophistication is not at all required for all of them. I say good for her.

Yes, that's the point of 1L, teaching you to "think like a lawyer", i.e., read a case and figure out the important part, discard the rest.

Whether I agree with you or not, what you said does not refute pp's point that casebooks aren't edited in a way that makes them effective tools. And none of it means that KK is wrong that reading casebooks is really time-consuming as compared to reading just a summary of the concepts and principles.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck would hire her as a lawyer??

A lot of people, I would guess. Also she'd be quite a good rainmaker/lobbyist.

She's rich enough to start and head her own firm. But I'm pretty sure she's doing this to practice privately and help clients pro bono.

She's been making a lot of waves with The Innocence Project - I applaud her efforts.

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I don’t follow anything Kardashian but I give her credit for helping Alice Johnson (life sentence on nonviolent drug charge) get out of prison.

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Who gives? Could we have one day without having to see Kardashians on this forum or anywhere?

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Anonymous wrote:Huh - so according to her interview in Vogue (which has been aggregated elsewhere) she is doing an apprenticeship with a law firm instead of going to law school. I guess California will let you sit the bar if you do it that way

https://www.vogue.com/article/kim-kardashian-west-cover-may-2019

yes, you can "read" for the bar in some states. But the California Bar exam is a toughie. If she passes, more power to her.

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Reading for the bar.

And good for her! I don’t like the Kardashians - don’t watch if buy their stuff. But it’s hard not to notice that she is turning into an activist for the unjustly incarcerated. More power to her!

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Anonymous wrote:Huh - so according to her interview in Vogue (which has been aggregated elsewhere) she is doing an apprenticeship with a law firm instead of going to law school. I guess California will let you sit the bar if you do it that way

https://www.vogue.com/article/kim-kardashian-west-cover-may-2019

yes, you can "read" for the bar in some states. But the California Bar exam is a toughie. If she passes, more power to her.

She doesn't even have a bachelor's degree. Surprised they let you be a lawyer without that.

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The CA bar is no joke.

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Anonymous wrote:The article says that California is one of a handful of states that allows people to “read the law” by spending four years working under a licensed attorney rather than attending college and then law school. It looks like you have to take an exam after your first year of study that covers certain core areas, and if you pass then you’re allowed to complete the next three years. You still have to pass the bar to become a licensed attorney.

This was the norm until the 1920s, I think.

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Anonymous wrote:Did she finish college? Do you have to go to law school to sit for the bar?

Nope, California is one of 4 or 5 states where you don't have to go to law school to be a lawyer.

All she has to do is apprentice to an attorney for four years and pass the bar herself. Like that attorney on Suits.

She's probably taking private legal classes from the most brilliant law professors at UCLA/Stanford anyway.

Oh, to be a fly on THAT wall...

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I can just picture all those attorneys head exploding right now at the thought that KK just MIGHT actually become an attorney. kinda funny to think about.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for her.

Her dad was an attorney. I don't doubt that she's capable.

Agree. People think she is much dumber than she is, in my opinion. Now, whether she sticks with it long enough to finish is a different story.

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Her father was an attorney. She is a marketing genius. I loathe almost everything the kardashians do an represent but there’s no evidence that she couldn’t be a lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:Her father was an attorney. She is a marketing genius. I loathe almost everything the kardashians do an represent but there’s no evidence that she couldn’t be a lawyer.

What exactly does her father being an attorney have to do with her ability to become one? He died when she was in her 20’s and hadn’t practiced law in years with the exception of OJ’s trial. It’s not like career performance is an inherited trait. Nothing she has done has proven her to have much more than average intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not?

California, Virginia, Vermont, and Washington allow apprenticeships instead of law school. Seems like a smarter way to learn law.

Lawyers are not geniuses. She's not trying to become an astronaut.

I hope she uses it to do good things... but she will become a lawyer and most lawyers are scum.

Until you need one.