Indictment of MCPS bus driver

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:MCPS is waiting for crimes such as molestation or rape to occur. When the cops make the arrest, then they will fire the employee. No one including Dr. Smith is enforcing the Employee Code of Conduct.

Imagine that. They're a bunch of con artists.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about a teacher sending a text to a child offering to take a child to lunch? When I found the text and many more, MCPS did nothing. He is back on the job this year.


I’m a teacher. I suggest that you take your concerns directly to the Superintendent. Do you still have the text?


I would say to take the concerns to the police. MCPS (including the super) would rather just cover things up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What about a teacher sending a text to a child offering to take a child to lunch? When I found the text and many more, MCPS did nothing. He is back on the job this year.


I’m a teacher. I suggest that you take your concerns directly to the Superintendent. Do you still have the text?


I would say to take the concerns to the police. MCPS (including the super) would rather just cover things up.


What crime could police charge this teacher with? There isn’t a statute against texting a student. There probably should be, but meanwhile there isn’t. I’m not even sure that the police could open an investigation based just on that.

Press MCPS to follow its own policies. Use social media to apply that pressure by tweeting a screenshot of the snap at the Superintendent and asking why the teacher is still employed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...


Thank you for sharing the article.
It's a must-read for every parent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...


Thank you for sharing the article.
It's a must-read for every parent.


It says:

"Children with vigilant parents are too risky."

Beware people, you need to become well-known as one of those VERY vigilant parents. It could help spare your child from becoming the next sexual assault victim.

"Better safe, than sorry."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At the SEAC meeting, parents asked for vigilance by MCPS to keep the aide with the bus and remind parents to be on time meeting the bus. A suggestion to hire a 2nd aide to remain on the bus was also made if MCPS feels it's necessary to have an aide leave sight of the bus. Point is, parents of nonverbal special education students do not want tgeir children alone with MCPS bus drivers here on out. It's not a safe practice.


Give parents access to the feed from the web cams. Let more eyes watch what goes on during bus rides.

Problem solved.


your wonderful unions won't allow that. They prefer not to have video on the buses and you can only view the video if something is or was reported. Think about that when you go vote for the union endorsed Elrich in the election this November.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...

Hoping everyone here shares this with other parents.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At the SEAC meeting, parents asked for vigilance by MCPS to keep the aide with the bus and remind parents to be on time meeting the bus. A suggestion to hire a 2nd aide to remain on the bus was also made if MCPS feels it's necessary to have an aide leave sight of the bus. Point is, parents of nonverbal special education students do not want tgeir children alone with MCPS bus drivers here on out. It's not a safe practice.


Give parents access to the feed from the web cams. Let more eyes watch what goes on during bus rides.

Problem solved.


your wonderful unions won't allow that. They prefer not to have video on the buses and you can only view the video if something is or was reported. Think about that when you go vote for the union endorsed Elrich in the election this November.


Drivers are in a different union from teachers.
Anonymous
SEIU, the union for the bus drivers, endorsed Elrich for County Exec. It would be interesting to know if SEIU opposes having the cameras installed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...

Hoping everyone here shares this with other parents.


Thank you for sharing.

But WTF? The name of Sandusky’s autobiography was Touched? Gross
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...


Thank you for sharing the article.
It's a must-read for every parent.


It says:

"Children with vigilant parents are too risky."

Beware people, you need to become well-known as one of those VERY vigilant parents. It could help spare your child from becoming the next sexual assault victim.

"Better safe, than sorry."


Defi itself a good reminder.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:SEIU, the union for the bus drivers, endorsed Elrich for County Exec. It would be interesting to know if SEIU opposes having the cameras installed.


Elrich has been one of the few politicians to speak out harshly against MCPS practices for not doing enough to prevent the child abuse in their school system. Watch the second portion of this video of the Montgomery County Education Committee where the topic is Child Abuse and Neglect with Donna Hollingshead (MCPS Compliance Unit) and Jack Smith (Superintendent) in attendance:

http://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=128&clip_id=14944




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...


Thank you for sharing the article.
It's a must-read for every parent.


It says:

"Children with vigilant parents are too risky."

Beware people, you need to become well-known as one of those VERY vigilant parents. It could help spare your child from becoming the next sexual assault victim.

"Better safe, than sorry."


Defi itself a good reminder.

I'm the PP who posted this and I'm glad others appreciated the article. Since I first read it, I've heard now and then of other instances that confirm what you wrote--for example a tutor testing the boundaries with a parent (asking to teach child in room away from other people, etc.) and when the parent refused, the tutor quit--and later turned out to be an abuser.

Even if you aren't "well-known" to be a vigilant parent, just demonstrating consistently vigilant behavior will go a long way, as abusers can sense it. Sadly, they move on to other victims who are easier; that said, nothing wrong with also being vigilant on behalf of another child if you sense that something's amiss and the parent/guardian isn't at the scene or isn't as vigilant.

Anyways, please read, share, to understand the patterns, and trust your gut if something seems off--and show the other adult that you are paying attention. Also, teach your kids that
1) it's OK for them to tell you about any situation/person that makes them uncomfortable,
2) that this applies even if they can't put their finger on something that is obviously wrong,* and
3) that it's possible that someone might tell them that "they [children] will get in trouble/hurt for telling their parents"; this is really just a trick that bad people would use to get kids not to tell, and it's not true that they'd get in trouble for telling.
Unfortunately, I imagine that some parents of the special needs children in the recent bus driver case may not have been able to have this kind of discussion with their children. But for those of us who can have these conversations with their kids, SN or not, I hope you can.

*In summer swim team (as a 9yo) I had a coach tell me something that made me feel weird (about me being pretty), and I quit that day. My mom could not understand why I quit suddenly and I did not feel I could explain. I did not have the language or context to understand why it made me feel uncomfortable so I said nothing, but just wanted to avoid that person completely from then on. I'm not sure what I would have wanted my mom to do, either, as it wasn't a lecherous/sexual comment. So this is why I think it's useful to explain to kids that if something makes them feel uncomfortable, that is valid and you'll respect that, even if they're not able to pinpoint why what the other person did/said was explicitly wrong. I think abusers get their entry points by using grey areas.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Now we know to be extremely aware of the red flags. And REPORT. Not your job to wait for evidence. Professionals will investigate and evaluate.


And what are the red flags?

Anything remotely creepy. You know.


This stuff is always clearer in hindsight. One of my former middle school teachers (yes, he was MCPS) was arrested a little over a decade ago and served prison time for molestation. Based on what he pleaded guilty to, he was abusing boys when I had him. Everyone was going on and on about how they always knew he was a creep, how could nobody have done anything, etc. etc. No, we didn't know any such thing. He was a friendly guy and a very popular teacher and we were all gobsmacked when we heard the news. In hindsight, some friendly behaviors took on a much more sinister tinge, but nobody knew what he truly was before that point. What, we should have reported him for being male and nice?

I thought this article (by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker) was an excellent piece on abusers' behaviors and tactics. Your comment on how this teacher was friendly and popular reminded me of the article--it mentions how abusers are often friendly and popular figures of authority like teachers.
"In Plain View: How Child Molesters Get Away With It"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view

A long (and tough) but eye-opening and solid article....recommended reading for everyone here...


Thank you for sharing the article.
It's a must-read for every parent.


It says:

"Children with vigilant parents are too risky."

Beware people, you need to become well-known as one of those VERY vigilant parents. It could help spare your child from becoming the next sexual assault victim.

"Better safe, than sorry."


Defi itself a good reminder.

I'm the PP who posted this and I'm glad others appreciated the article. Since I first read it, I've heard now and then of other instances that confirm what you wrote--for example a tutor testing the boundaries with a parent (asking to teach child in room away from other people, etc.) and when the parent refused, the tutor quit--and later turned out to be an abuser.

Even if you aren't "well-known" to be a vigilant parent, just demonstrating consistently vigilant behavior will go a long way, as abusers can sense it. Sadly, they move on to other victims who are easier; that said, nothing wrong with also being vigilant on behalf of another child if you sense that something's amiss and the parent/guardian isn't at the scene or isn't as vigilant.

Anyways, please read, share, to understand the patterns, and trust your gut if something seems off--and show the other adult that you are paying attention. Also, teach your kids that
1) it's OK for them to tell you about any situation/person that makes them uncomfortable,
2) that this applies even if they can't put their finger on something that is obviously wrong,* and
3) that it's possible that someone might tell them that "they [children] will get in trouble/hurt for telling their parents"; this is really just a trick that bad people would use to get kids not to tell, and it's not true that they'd get in trouble for telling.
Unfortunately, I imagine that some parents of the special needs children in the recent bus driver case may not have been able to have this kind of discussion with their children. But for those of us who can have these conversations with their kids, SN or not, I hope you can.

*In summer swim team (as a 9yo) I had a coach tell me something that made me feel weird (about me being pretty), and I quit that day. My mom could not understand why I quit suddenly and I did not feel I could explain. I did not have the language or context to understand why it made me feel uncomfortable so I said nothing, but just wanted to avoid that person completely from then on. I'm not sure what I would have wanted my mom to do, either, as it wasn't a lecherous/sexual comment. So this is why I think it's useful to explain to kids that if something makes them feel uncomfortable, that is valid and you'll respect that, even if they're not able to pinpoint why what the other person did/said was explicitly wrong. I think abusers get their entry points by using grey areas.


Thank you PP for posting. As a parent who watched a child change so dramatically before coming forward to report what was happening on a MCPS sports team, abruptly quitting something a child used to love to do is a huge sign something is wrong. We reported what we knew including my child's testimony of why he was scared and evidence of grooming behavior by a coach but MCPS did nothing. For my child's safety, my child is no longer in MCPS. I am afraid everyday that this pervert will just move on to another victim since the MCPS line in the sand is only to remove an employee when there is a criminal arrest.

Parents - please be vigilant.
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