APS Needs to Use Eminent Domain

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we start by restoring the community centers to their original purpose? There are plenty of private gyms, and I don’t think providing entertainment to a handful of seniors counts as a “core government service.”

I do, you ageist piece of shit.

I'm not PP, but the seniors aren't exactly endearing themselves to parents whose kids are stuffed into schoool like sardines because we sold off all the schools they attended as kids. I understand that there are some community centers that are underutilized. Perhaps those deserve a look for joint use facilities if not just being sold back to APS. We can't just not build schools for K-12 ever again. Even if they make things more efficient, there will still be an overall deficit of seats. And people of child-bearing years keep moving to Arlington rather than leaving. What now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we start by restoring the community centers to their original purpose? There are plenty of private gyms, and I don’t think providing entertainment to a handful of seniors counts as a “core government service.”

I do, you ageist piece of shit.

I'm not PP, but the seniors aren't exactly endearing themselves to parents whose kids are stuffed into schoool like sardines because we sold off all the schools they attended as kids. I understand that there are some community centers that are underutilized. Perhaps those deserve a look for joint use facilities if not just being sold back to APS. We can't just not build schools for K-12 ever again. Even if they make things more efficient, there will still be an overall deficit of seats. And people of child-bearing years keep moving to Arlington rather than leaving. What now?

Regardless of what you think of current seniors, some of us with elementary-aged children don't anticipate moving out of Arlington when our kids graduate. We'd like there to be some senior programming available for us when we retire too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we start by restoring the community centers to their original purpose? There are plenty of private gyms, and I don’t think providing entertainment to a handful of seniors counts as a “core government service.”

I do, you ageist piece of shit.

I'm not PP, but the seniors aren't exactly endearing themselves to parents whose kids are stuffed into schoool like sardines because we sold off all the schools they attended as kids. I understand that there are some community centers that are underutilized. Perhaps those deserve a look for joint use facilities if not just being sold back to APS. We can't just not build schools for K-12 ever again. Even if they make things more efficient, there will still be an overall deficit of seats. And people of child-bearing years keep moving to Arlington rather than leaving. What now?

Dude. Jamestown mommies wanted to use the Madison Center for a “9th Grade Academy.”

Setting aside the ridiculous cost to retrofit the building, that was one of the dumbest ideas ever.

And yes, seniors deserve services too.

[Anonymous]

Sorry — a 6th grade academy. Not a 9th.

[Anonymous]

Can Eminent Domain be done for mixed use or alternatively could deals be done with commercial property to build a multistory building with some retail or residential too so the cost would be more doable? Perhaps this isn't done as eminent domain but as zoning so a bigger building could be built than otherwise allowed if APS gets some floor(s) in the building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can Eminent Domain be done for mixed use or alternatively could deals be done with commercial property to build a multistory building with some retail or residential too so the cost would be more doable? Perhaps this isn't done as eminent domain but as zoning so a bigger building could be built than otherwise allowed if APS gets some floor(s) in the building.

Eminent domain can only be used for purely public use. It cannot be used to take property that is then transferred in whole or in part to private persons or entities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Eminent Domain be done for mixed use or alternatively could deals be done with commercial property to build a multistory building with some retail or residential too so the cost would be more doable? Perhaps this isn't done as eminent domain but as zoning so a bigger building could be built than otherwise allowed if APS gets some floor(s) in the building.

Eminent domain can only be used for purely public use. It cannot be used to take property that is then transferred in whole or in part to private persons or entities.

The Supreme Court disagrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Eminent Domain be done for mixed use or alternatively could deals be done with commercial property to build a multistory building with some retail or residential too so the cost would be more doable? Perhaps this isn't done as eminent domain but as zoning so a bigger building could be built than otherwise allowed if APS gets some floor(s) in the building.

Eminent domain can only be used for purely public use. It cannot be used to take property that is then transferred in whole or in part to private persons or entities.

The Supreme Court disagrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

But see the Virginia constitutional amendment passed in 2012 that created a stricter standard for state and local governments to use eminent domain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we start by restoring the community centers to their original purpose? There are plenty of private gyms, and I don’t think providing entertainment to a handful of seniors counts as a “core government service.”

I do, you ageist piece of shit.

I'm not PP, but the seniors aren't exactly endearing themselves to parents whose kids are stuffed into schoool like sardines because we sold off all the schools they attended as kids. I understand that there are some community centers that are underutilized. Perhaps those deserve a look for joint use facilities if not just being sold back to APS. We can't just not build schools for K-12 ever again. Even if they make things more efficient, there will still be an overall deficit of seats. And people of child-bearing years keep moving to Arlington rather than leaving. What now?

Regardless of what you think of current seniors, some of us with elementary-aged children don't anticipate moving out of Arlington when our kids graduate. We'd like there to be some senior programming available for us when we retire too.

There are tons of commercial high rises that can be leased for flexible senior space for art classes, exercise, and whatever else seniors are using the 244 for. Providing for a senior adult is way easier to use flexible space collocated with commercial offices than kids, who need field space, secure facilities, and would drive insurance risk for commercial buildings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we start by restoring the community centers to their original purpose? There are plenty of private gyms, and I don’t think providing entertainment to a handful of seniors counts as a “core government service.”

I do, you ageist piece of shit.

I'm not PP, but the seniors aren't exactly endearing themselves to parents whose kids are stuffed into schoool like sardines because we sold off all the schools they attended as kids. I understand that there are some community centers that are underutilized. Perhaps those deserve a look for joint use facilities if not just being sold back to APS. We can't just not build schools for K-12 ever again. Even if they make things more efficient, there will still be an overall deficit of seats. And people of child-bearing years keep moving to Arlington rather than leaving. What now?

Regardless of what you think of current seniors, some of us with elementary-aged children don't anticipate moving out of Arlington when our kids graduate. We'd like there to be some senior programming available for us when we retire too.

There are tons of commercial high rises that can be leased for flexible senior space for art classes, exercise, and whatever else seniors are using the 244 for. Providing for a senior adult is way easier to use flexible space collocated with commercial offices than kids, who need field space, secure facilities, and would drive insurance risk for commercial buildings.

Go ahead and convince the county board. APS doesn’t have the ability to make this happen.

[Anonymous]

You guys something happened around 2003-2004
Arlington realized that childless people are better.
They are easier to serve. They don’t cost as much.

Arlington would prefer a community of dinks. A nice quiet community of dinks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, how much will moving schools cost? Expansion of existing schools? I bet it would not cost 27 million in acquisition costs. It depends where the site is.

Sure, if you do it in South Arlington it will be less. Who do think would be targeted if APS were to go this route? It would be the people with the lowest property values because that’s what APS would be able to afford.

Nottingham sits on 9 acres and it’s far from the largest property. Lots up there average around 1/3 of an acre, and between tear downs and new builds you have to figure average value per lot around $1 million. $27 million.

My neighbors 1/4 acre south Arlington home just sold for over 850. Not much savings down here.

And my neighbor’s S Arl home on almost an acre sold for 1.37 million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Eminent Domain be done for mixed use or alternatively could deals be done with commercial property to build a multistory building with some retail or residential too so the cost would be more doable? Perhaps this isn't done as eminent domain but as zoning so a bigger building could be built than otherwise allowed if APS gets some floor(s) in the building.

Eminent domain can only be used for purely public use. It cannot be used to take property that is then transferred in whole or in part to private persons or entities.

The Supreme Court disagrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

But see the Virginia constitutional amendment passed in 2012 that created a stricter standard for state and local governments to use eminent domain.

That can easily be overturned. Otherwise gay marriage would still be illegal in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or just rent an empty office building temporarily or long term. Certainly plenty of them.

+1

+1000. And in rosslyn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Eminent Domain be done for mixed use or alternatively could deals be done with commercial property to build a multistory building with some retail or residential too so the cost would be more doable? Perhaps this isn't done as eminent domain but as zoning so a bigger building could be built than otherwise allowed if APS gets some floor(s) in the building.

Eminent domain can only be used for purely public use. It cannot be used to take property that is then transferred in whole or in part to private persons or entities.

The Supreme Court disagrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

But see the Virginia constitutional amendment passed in 2012 that created a stricter standard for state and local governments to use eminent domain.

That can easily be overturned. Otherwise gay marriage would still be illegal in VA.

That constitutional amendment is not going to be repealed in any kind of time horizon that will help with current school planning just because Arlington, of all of the localities is Virginia, wants to take more land from private citizens. The notion is so laughable, I can only assume you don’t follow Virginia politics at all.