Schools plans for unexpected deportations?

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure the schools will be somewhat relieved - smaller class sizes and more attention to students who are not struggling.

Agree in part, though why do you assume all these kids struggle? Kids brought over illegal - sure they're ESL and who knows what primary education they had in their villages. But US citizen kids? They grow up learning English - even if thru TV in a Spanish speaking home; and they go to American school from the start so there's no reason for them to be behind; and while it may be shocking, first gen immigrants are hard on their kids re grades, even illegal ones who don't understand what their kids are studying still demand their kids get As and Bs bc they don't want their kids to be dishwashers and janitors.

My child goes to a high poverty school with high immigrant population- and I don't mean Asian, I mean Hispanic kids from families that hardly have any education and don't speak English. They may be even legal- but the third of their class is in special services due to not doing well in school, many kids are behind, some still have very limited English, etc etc.
just a week ago a new girl came with no English.
It's an uphill battle to teach those kids.

Ugh, DD starts school in one of these districts in another year. Not thrilled. ICE can't move fast enough. No hate in my heart for Immigrants. But if you are illegal you need to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the kids will either go to other relatives who can take them, or go into foster care, which is a safe and nurturing experience that will benefit them much more than staying with parents who are in the country illegally.

Oh, just kidding. It'll suck for the kids and it'll be one of the most, if not the most traumatic experience of their lives. The best thing parents who are here illegally can do is to legally name other people (who are here legally) to take their children if they are deported or detained.

Or take their anchor children with them. This isn't North Korea or Cuba, citizens are free to leave the country.

But where should the children go if the parents are citizens of different countries?

Why wouldn't the parents want to take their kids with them if they were deported?

My babysitter is a citizen of the Philippines and her husband is a citizen of Mexico. Where should they and their children go?

Can't they go to either country?

It depends on what the immigration laws are in each country.

No. There is hardly a country that does not allow minor children of their own citizens to enter and stay in that country. In fact, in most countries, they automatically would be citizens of their parents' country already by default.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure the schools will be somewhat relieved - smaller class sizes and more attention to students who are not struggling.

Agree in part, though why do you assume all these kids struggle? Kids brought over illegal - sure they're ESL and who knows what primary education they had in their villages. But US citizen kids? They grow up learning English - even if thru TV in a Spanish speaking home; and they go to American school from the start so there's no reason for them to be behind; and while it may be shocking, first gen immigrants are hard on their kids re grades, even illegal ones who don't understand what their kids are studying still demand their kids get As and Bs bc they don't want their kids to be dishwashers and janitors.

My child goes to a high poverty school with high immigrant population- and I don't mean Asian, I mean Hispanic kids from families that hardly have any education and don't speak English. They may be even legal- but the third of their class is in special services due to not doing well in school, many kids are behind, some still have very limited English, etc etc.
just a week ago a new girl came with no English.
It's an uphill battle to teach those kids.

Ugh, DD starts school in one of these districts in another year. Not thrilled. ICE can't move fast enough. No hate in my heart for Immigrants. But if you are illegal you need to go.

On the other hand it's not that bad. the teacher this year is great. there is a small group of educated, involved parents in our class and it does make a difference. But without the struggling kids it would be even easier of course. I mean, it is one thing when there are struggling citizen kids, another when they or their parents are not here legally.

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Most will do anything to have their US citizen kids in the US - free public education, can work and send money back home at 18 etc. So most want a relative or friend to take them. If you don't have relatives or friends who are legal who can raise your kids, then they go back with you; but deportation takes time and kids will be put into deportation centers etc until the parents' deportation is final. So instead of subjecting kids to that, they want a legal friend to take the kids for the span of time that deportation takes - 2 months, 5 months, whatever - and then fly the kid back to Peru or wherever when the parents are finally there - spares the kid months in some center where they could be (though maybe not) separated from their parents and living in a facility.

Perhaps that depends on what country you are being deported to.
You still have the right to contact your home countrys consulate and as far as I know, a citizen cannot be detained arbitrarily without consulate being notified.

I doubt there will not be that many that will leave their kids behind. A family has a right to stay together

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure the schools will be somewhat relieved - smaller class sizes and more attention to students who are not struggling.

Agree in part, though why do you assume all these kids struggle? Kids brought over illegal - sure they're ESL and who knows what primary education they had in their villages. But US citizen kids? They grow up learning English - even if thru TV in a Spanish speaking home; and they go to American school from the start so there's no reason for them to be behind; and while it may be shocking, first gen immigrants are hard on their kids re grades, even illegal ones who don't understand what their kids are studying still demand their kids get As and Bs bc they don't want their kids to be dishwashers and janitors.

I teach ESOL in ES and your statement is not at all what I've experienced. Most of my students are native born U.S. citizens and they come to school in pre-k or K with little to no English. The bright ones move quickly in and out of ESOL (2-3 yrs) and do well in school. Their natural intelligence gets them through up until MS where their peer group often drags them down. The other students are in ESOL for more like 4-6 years and even when then do test out, the demands of the curriculum make it difficult for them to get into a selective HS. They go to the zoned HS which is crap and then either drop out or scrape by. The girls often become pregnant and the boys often drop out to get jobs. They start behind and most of them stay behind. Their parents work a lot and they themselves are just scraping by so nobody is at home to make sure homework gets done, etc. They are most likely doing the best they can. Most of them want a good education for their kids but realize the extent to their involvement in it. If you look at high achieving students everywhere, you almost always see someone behind them (parent, grandparent, mentor) pushing them to do well. These kids are almost always doing better than their parents. Their parents might have gone to school in their home country through 6th or 8th grade so if their kids make it to HS or even graduate, they've done better than their parents. 8th grade graduation at our school is a huge over the top affair and it's because it might be their last graduation (even though it isn't really a graduation).

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PP here. I meant to type that the parents do not realize the extent to which they need to be involved in their child's education. In their home country, parents were not involved in education. Their job was to send their child to school. In this country, parental involvement is an expectation.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the kids will either go to other relatives who can take them, or go into foster care, which is a safe and nurturing experience that will benefit them much more than staying with parents who are in the country illegally.

Oh, just kidding. It'll suck for the kids and it'll be one of the most, if not the most traumatic experience of their lives. The best thing parents who are here illegally can do is to legally name other people (who are here legally) to take their children if they are deported or detained.

Or take their anchor children with them. This isn't North Korea or Cuba, citizens are free to leave the country.

But where should the children go if the parents are citizens of different countries?

Why wouldn't the parents want to take their kids with them if they were deported?

My babysitter is a citizen of the Philippines and her husband is a citizen of Mexico. Where should they and their children go?

Maybe YOU can take them, since you're so willing to employ those here illegally, perhaps you're willing to go the extra mile for their kids

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. I meant to type that the parents do not realize the extent to which they need to be involved in their child's education. In their home country, parents were not involved in education. Their job was to send their child to school. In this country, parental involvement is an expectation.

Really? I did not know that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sure the schools will be somewhat relieved - smaller class sizes and more attention to students who are not struggling.

Agree in part, though why do you assume all these kids struggle? Kids brought over illegal - sure they're ESL and who knows what primary education they had in their villages. But US citizen kids? They grow up learning English - even if thru TV in a Spanish speaking home; and they go to American school from the start so there's no reason for them to be behind; and while it may be shocking, first gen immigrants are hard on their kids re grades, even illegal ones who don't understand what their kids are studying still demand their kids get As and Bs bc they don't want their kids to be dishwashers and janitors.

I teach ESOL in ES and your statement is not at all what I've experienced. Most of my students are native born U.S. citizens and they come to school in pre-k or K with little to no English. The bright ones move quickly in and out of ESOL (2-3 yrs) and do well in school. Their natural intelligence gets them through up until MS where their peer group often drags them down. The other students are in ESOL for more like 4-6 years and even when then do test out, the demands of the curriculum make it difficult for them to get into a selective HS. They go to the zoned HS which is crap and then either drop out or scrape by. The girls often become pregnant and the boys often drop out to get jobs. They start behind and most of them stay behind. Their parents work a lot and they themselves are just scraping by so nobody is at home to make sure homework gets done, etc. They are most likely doing the best they can. Most of them want a good education for their kids but realize the extent to their involvement in it. If you look at high achieving students everywhere, you almost always see someone behind them (parent, grandparent, mentor) pushing them to do well. These kids are almost always doing better than their parents. Their parents might have gone to school in their home country through 6th or 8th grade so if their kids make it to HS or even graduate, they've done better than their parents. 8th grade graduation at our school is a huge over the top affair and it's because it might be their last graduation (even though it isn't really a graduation).

Yes I am PP whose child goes to a Title 1 which is 70%hispanic and this is what I have experienced, too.
My son has a friend who is way younger than his half siblings and doesn't have siblings (blended family); so he gets much more attention than a typical hispanic child at our school. Still, I know college is not even on the family's radar. When I asked them about what they think about their child's future they said maybe professional soccer player, and when I said that private schools give out a lot of scholarships to spanish speaking kids they started talking about some school they wanted to send their child to, and it turned out to be an afterschool tutoring center.

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Yes I am PP whose child goes to a Title 1 which is 70%hispanic and this is what I have experienced, too.
My son has a friend who is way younger than his half siblings and doesn't have siblings (blended family); so he gets much more attention than a typical hispanic child at our school. Still, I know college is not even on the family's radar. When I asked them about what they think about their child's future they said maybe professional soccer player, and when I said that private schools give out a lot of scholarships to spanish speaking kids they started talking about some school they wanted to send their child to, and it turned out to be an afterschool tutoring center.

This is not uncommon. Heck, my parents are from two English-speaking countries, and they still had trouble guiding my sibs and I through school in the US--the expectations for parental involvement are very different for middle/upper middle class, (mostly) white Americans, who typically have the wherewithal and know-how to adequately prepare there kids for college and beyond. Largely the same story for kids in SE DC. The common denominator is SES.

[Anonymous]

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Yes I am PP whose child goes to a Title 1 which is 70%hispanic and this is what I have experienced, too.
My son has a friend who is way younger than his half siblings and doesn't have siblings (blended family); so he gets much more attention than a typical hispanic child at our school. Still, I know college is not even on the family's radar. When I asked them about what they think about their child's future they said maybe professional soccer player, and when I said that private schools give out a lot of scholarships to spanish speaking kids they started talking about some school they wanted to send their child to, and it turned out to be an afterschool tutoring center.

This is not uncommon. Heck, my parents are from two English-speaking countries, and they still had trouble guiding my sibs and I through school in the US--the expectations for parental involvement are very different for middle/upper middle class, (mostly) white Americans, who typically have the wherewithal and know-how to adequately prepare there kids for college and beyond. Largely the same story for kids in SE DC. The common denominator is SES.

PP again. Their, not there. Off to bed!

[Anonymous]

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Yes I am PP whose child goes to a Title 1 which is 70%hispanic and this is what I have experienced, too.
My son has a friend who is way younger than his half siblings and doesn't have siblings (blended family); so he gets much more attention than a typical hispanic child at our school. Still, I know college is not even on the family's radar. When I asked them about what they think about their child's future they said maybe professional soccer player, and when I said that private schools give out a lot of scholarships to spanish speaking kids they started talking about some school they wanted to send their child to, and it turned out to be an afterschool tutoring center.

This is not uncommon. Heck, my parents are from two English-speaking countries, and they still had trouble guiding my sibs and I through school in the US--the expectations for parental involvement are very different for middle/upper middle class, (mostly) white Americans, who typically have the wherewithal and know-how to adequately prepare there kids for college and beyond. Largely the same story for kids in SE DC. The common denominator is SES.

Common denominator is IQ, which is genetic. Not having a destructive home environment is certainly helpful. But this whole SES = school performance thing is such delusional BS.

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So what does ICE do if they raid a family's house while the child is at school and the kid comes home to an empty house?

[Anonymous]

American school is so easy that even a kid with a very average iq can do fine, provided they have a stable home and average parental involvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sure the schools will be somewhat relieved - smaller class sizes and more attention to students who are not struggling.

Agree in part, though why do you assume all these kids struggle? Kids brought over illegal - sure they're ESL and who knows what primary education they had in their villages. But US citizen kids? They grow up learning English - even if thru TV in a Spanish speaking home; and they go to American school from the start so there's no reason for them to be behind; and while it may be shocking, first gen immigrants are hard on their kids re grades, even illegal ones who don't understand what their kids are studying still demand their kids get As and Bs bc they don't want their kids to be dishwashers and janitors.

I teach ESOL in ES and your statement is not at all what I've experienced. Most of my students are native born U.S. citizens and they come to school in pre-k or K with little to no English. The bright ones move quickly in and out of ESOL (2-3 yrs) and do well in school. Their natural intelligence gets them through up until MS where their peer group often drags them down. The other students are in ESOL for more like 4-6 years and even when then do test out, the demands of the curriculum make it difficult for them to get into a selective HS. They go to the zoned HS which is crap and then either drop out or scrape by. The girls often become pregnant and the boys often drop out to get jobs. They start behind and most of them stay behind. Their parents work a lot and they themselves are just scraping by so nobody is at home to make sure homework gets done, etc. They are most likely doing the best they can. Most of them want a good education for their kids but realize the extent to their involvement in it. If you look at high achieving students everywhere, you almost always see someone behind them (parent, grandparent, mentor) pushing them to do well. These kids are almost always doing better than their parents. Their parents might have gone to school in their home country through 6th or 8th grade so if their kids make it to HS or even graduate, they've done better than their parents. 8th grade graduation at our school is a huge over the top affair and it's because it might be their last graduation (even though it isn't really a graduation).

Another ESOL teacher here (high school) and I completely agree with this. Many of the parents want their kids to do well in theory, but because of their own lack of education they don't even know what that entails. And many of my high schoolers are expected to work to help the family out. Working 40-50 hours a week + high school courses does not usually have a good outcome. But no matter what, life here is better than where they came from.