Is Trump's proposed school voucher program only for families below poverty line?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What will happen, if this ever comes into existence (which is doubtful) is what happened with DC's GOP-forced voucher program. A handful of very talented poor children will be able to use the scholarship to get into existing schools, where the schools will be able to give them financial aid to make up the difference.

At the same time, dozens of "schools" will open, that happen to charge the same amount or slightly higher in tuition as the cost of the voucher. There is no accredation process in DC for these schools, and many of them have 90-100% of their students on vouchers. Making them essentially public schools with no oversight. It's a travesty...school vouchers do not work- studies have proven this.

They are the same as housing vouchers. Any landlord who magically accepts vouchers, sets the rent at the highest level of the voucher range even though the landlord could not get that higher amount if it were market rate housing. Don't tell anyone though, because I've made a lot of money doing this.

Great, you're proud of cheating the federal government out of money. If you charge above the market rate, you are in violation of Federal law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep reading "$12,000 in school choice funds to every K-12 student who today lives in poverty."

So only families making less than $25,000 per year will get this, or will it be tiered like other voucher programs? As in, families making $45,000 might get a $7,000 voucher and so forth.

Before everyone gets excited about their middle class free stuff, let me point out that there are 16 million children living below the poverty line. To give them all $12,000 a year would be 192 billion per year. You would have to quadruple the Department of Education budget to do that. Really unlikely to happen. More unlikely that it will reach people making your level of income.

WTF kind of bullshit spin in this? These kids are already enrolled, so they're already getting up to $18,000 per year in some districts. And nowhere near 100% of kids will hop districts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What will happen, if this ever comes into existence (which is doubtful) is what happened with DC's GOP-forced voucher program. A handful of very talented poor children will be able to use the scholarship to get into existing schools, where the schools will be able to give them financial aid to make up the difference.

At the same time, dozens of "schools" will open, that happen to charge the same amount or slightly higher in tuition as the cost of the voucher. There is no accredation process in DC for these schools, and many of them have 90-100% of their students on vouchers. Making them essentially public schools with no oversight. It's a travesty...school vouchers do not work- studies have proven this.

They are the same as housing vouchers. Any landlord who magically accepts vouchers, sets the rent at the highest level of the voucher range even though the landlord could not get that higher amount if it were market rate housing. Don't tell anyone though, because I've made a lot of money doing this.

Great, you're proud of cheating the federal government out of money. If you charge above the market rate, you are in violation of Federal law.

Oh dear, you must have gone to one of those low performing schools. Please have someone read my comments that says: "at the highest level of the voucher range." I have a 5 bedroom house that I rented for years to a Section 8 family at $3,500 per year. When they received a voucher the range for a five bedroom house was $3,200 to $3,390 per year.
I charge them $3,390 per year, which is $110 per month less than I was receiving when they were pure Section 8. Would you charge them $3,200 or $3,390 for a house that they had rented for $3,500 per month? Explain how that is violation of Federal law or how I am cheating the government?

thank you

[Anonymous]

year should be month

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep reading "$12,000 in school choice funds to every K-12 student who today lives in poverty."

So only families making less than $25,000 per year will get this, or will it be tiered like other voucher programs? As in, families making $45,000 might get a $7,000 voucher and so forth.

Before everyone gets excited about their middle class free stuff, let me point out that there are 16 million children living below the poverty line. To give them all $12,000 a year would be 192 billion per year. You would have to quadruple the Department of Education budget to do that. Really unlikely to happen. More unlikely that it will reach people making your level of income.

But if 16 million kids were no longer going to public schools think of all the money you would save there. Average spending per pupil is $10,700 nationwide. In DC the spending per pupil is highest in the nation at over $25,000 per kid. I'm assuming that any comprehensive voucher plan would redirect the money sent to public schools to fund these vouchers.

So the federal government takes the money from state and local budgets? And then the localities get left with the kids whose educational costs are higher than the 12,000 per year voucher covers, like special ed, ESOL, etc. Fabulous.

And the kids that the private schools counsel out (behavior problems, autistic, slow learners, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep. Not a lot of evidence that vouchers actually create more high-quality private school seats at any income level. There is evidence that they subsidize people already able to pay tuition, and that low-quality sham schools open up to get the vouchers. This is all market economics 101. I would much rather see a focus on high quality charters.

This. This. This.

[Anonymous]

All vouchers will do is make education even more expensive.

For the first couple of years after the introduction of vouchers. wealthy investors would invest in schools happily claiming that the $12,000 is plenty to cover a high quality education.

Infact, the wealthy investors would even do it for less, so they can kick out the less wealthy competitors. Once the competitors are out, bam, tuition hikes. It's game time. Good old capitalism.

Look at higher education and the student loan crisis. It's a shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What will happen, if this ever comes into existence (which is doubtful) is what happened with DC's GOP-forced voucher program. A handful of very talented poor children will be able to use the scholarship to get into existing schools, where the schools will be able to give them financial aid to make up the difference.

At the same time, dozens of "schools" will open, that happen to charge the same amount or slightly higher in tuition as the cost of the voucher. There is no accredation process in DC for these schools, and many of them have 90-100% of their students on vouchers. Making them essentially public schools with no oversight. It's a travesty...school vouchers do not work- studies have proven this.

They are the same as housing vouchers. Any landlord who magically accepts vouchers, sets the rent at the highest level of the voucher range even though the landlord could not get that higher amount if it were market rate housing. Don't tell anyone though, because I've made a lot of money doing this.

Great, you're proud of cheating the federal government out of money. If you charge above the market rate, you are in violation of Federal law.

Oh dear, you must have gone to one of those low performing schools. Please have someone read my comments that says: "at the highest level of the voucher range." I have a 5 bedroom house that I rented for years to a Section 8 family at $3,500 per year. When they received a voucher the range for a five bedroom house was $3,200 to $3,390 per year.
I charge them $3,390 per year, which is $110 per month less than I was receiving when they were pure Section 8. Would you charge them $3,200 or $3,390 for a house that they had rented for $3,500 per month? Explain how that is violation of Federal law or how I am cheating the government?

thank you

Vouchers are part of section 8. You write as though you don't even know this.

In your original post, you claim that people are charging above market rate for the units for which they receive voucher payments. You then said you have been doing this for years.

In your subsequent post, you justified your current non-market rate based on an older non-market rate that you previously charged the government under what you called "pure section 8".

But you are not allowed to charge a rate higher than the market rate for comparable unassisted units in the area. If you know you are doing so, you are breaking the law. Maybe you won't get caught because the housing authority isn't good at its job. But it is not legal.