Dd is renting in a house off campus

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think this is extremely restrictive?

YES!

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Tenant has right to "quiet enjoyment."

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Does landlord have individual leases with each girl for the bedroom plus access to facilities or arectheycrenting the house from her? If the former, the landlord could argue she is prepping other bedroom for another tenant and be there as often as she likes.

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She has to pick a day to wash clothes? Why? What if she wants to do laundry twice one week for some reason? Who sweeps the kitchen floor after dinner every night? Especially if you don't have kids. Why is the ll dropping by every day. This sounds crazy and I would get involved.

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Why can she only wash her clothes once a week? That doesn't make sense. I can't imagine a land lord telling me when to do laundry. Or telling me I can't eat in the living room.

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It's one year. Your daughter will learn to do her own research (hunt down and ask former tenants).

I don't know what kind of living arrangements this is - I don't know and I've had 2 go thru college recently. It seems unique. Maybe it's a good price (?) 'cause it's unique and the landlord is a pain.

I would have objected to the no-over-night-guests. But that's just me.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the above posters but I assumed at first that your daughter is renting a house or an apt that is part of a house. Your comment about the LL trying to rent another room has me confused, because the LL wouldn't have the right the rent space within your daughter's leased area (this would concern me in your shoes - who knows who this person could be). Is your daughter renting a room with access to "common areas" (kitchen, living room, bathroom), and if so, does the LL also live in the house or another part of the house? If it is this latter situation, check the lease to make sure there is not a line in it that says something like "tenant will abide by all rules stated by LL" - this wouldn't be common but ime neither is just renting 1 room in a house as a college student. Also check to see how much notice, if any, Ll must give before entry and if there are any restrictions on how often Ll can enter the leased space. what is the term of the lease? In any event as all the pp's said, LL seems overly controlling and in violation of normal privacy matters and your daughter should not let herself be taken advantage of by LL.

I am with the person who posted this -- what's the actual situation? I lived in a "boarding house" for two years of college; the landlady owned and lived in the house, in her own suite of rooms on the ground floor, and rented the rooms on floors above just for sleeping; we could only use the kitchen on Sundays and had to have a meal plan at the nearest dorm cafeteria, etc. the rest of the week. That was a situation where the landlord rented room by room, which is different from renting out an entire apartment or entire house. How does your daughter's landlord plan to police the guest policy? Does the landlord live in the building or nearby? I would be concerned that the landlord would drop in unannounced, which, as other posters here noted, is not allowed; the lease should stipulate that the landlord must give notice of visits.

Our landlady was pretty eccentric and persnickety at times but never went as far as saying no food in the rooms, for instance. She might have liked to but would have known how unrealistic that is for college students. She also didn't interfere about guests; she would have been able to deal with it if someone had clearly had a long-term "guest" who essentially moved in, because the lease was clear that these rooms were for the single occupant on the lease, but she did not inquire about or interfere with overnight guests.

I suspect your daughter's landlord is not only concerned about food, bugs, rodents, etc. but may be thinking in terms of "I don't want guests ever spending the night in renters' rooms" (hence the "first floor only" rule--what's that all about, OP?) and to me, that smacks of someone hoping to control renters' private lives too much. Landlords do get to say that "you cannot move another person into your room as a resident" who isn't on the lease and who is living in a room intended for rental to one occupant but I would think that would have to be written up legally in the lease, not on a list of rules.

OP, is it possible that this landlord is inexperienced as a landlord and hasn't really done this before? The rules sound like they've been written by someone who isn't experienced with leases and the obligations of landlords and tenants. Find out. If this is a landlord who's new to this, your daughter might be able to approach the LL and point out politely but firmly that the lease alone governs things, they must have 24 hours' notice of inspections, etc. This might actually be resolvable if the person's a new landlord who's making it up as he goes along but is willing to learn the ropes. Still -- I would start eyeing other rentals just in case.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid just learned a hard life lesson. Next time she'll ask about rules and the addition of other tenants. The rules are a bit crazy but don't esclate the situation until you see how the LL is enforcing them. I think there's a good chance that the LL won't actually enforce the rules. It is a pain to move so just see how it goes and wait until there is a real problem to freak out.

I agree - PPs have to relax a bit. If the house is in a safe, convenient location, that's worth something - but not being harassed. Landlord sounds extreme, but he or she might enforce the rules loosely having seen how well the girls keep the house.

Honestly this sounds typically like someone who has had serious problems before, and will scare the renters straight by visiting at the beginning, then loosening up. Your DD may be on her best behavior for the next couple of weeks, and quite likely will be able to relax for the rest of the year.

The truth is, there is more than the law to this. There are social cues and tacit understandings and the building of trust. All great life lessons. And since red flags have been raised from the start, you will be ready to act if there is need.

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Op here

The landlord does not live there. It is not a boarding house. It is an actual house. The rooms are rents but all tenants must share the common areas. I kind of thought that the no overnight guests rule would encompass the issue of someone moving in as a permanent guest, but they can't even go upstairs?? Really? That seems extreme.

If she is scared of rodents, it isn't as if you leave one crumb on the ground and suddenly you have a hoarders level infestation. Get real lol

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It sounds like she doesn't want any premarital sex happening. She doesn't want guests upstairs at all.

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Premarital sex? That really isn't her call to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Premarital sex? That really isn't her call to make.

No kidding. But why else would she make that rule?

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I would look up the landlord/tenant laws in the city/state where your daughter is renting. My guess is these are totally unlawful. Not only were they not included in the lease, but they infringe on the tenants' abilities to live peacefully in their own home. I would also make clear that the landlord does NOT have the right to enter unless 24 hour notice has been given (barring an emergency, of course). Finally, I disagree with those saying your daughter learned a hard lesson and should live with it for a year. The lesson she needs to learn is to stand up for herself. You two should do your research and write to the landlord stating the new rules are illegal under XYZ laws and they will not be recognized. If you want to avoid dealing with the landlord in the future (because he/she sounds crazy), offer to let the landlord break the lease if he/she will pay for moving expenses.

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That is crazy and she should get out now. The landlord should not be able to pick a new roommate for her, or enter the unit without notice. Totally illegal. The rules are not at Ll enforceable but it sounds like the landlord is totally insane and could make her daughter's life hell. What if she has a big exam and misses her day to do laundry, she can't do it another day? Can't eat in her room?!? Even no overnight guests is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:That is crazy and she should get out now. The landlord should not be able to pick a new roommate for her, or enter the unit without notice. Totally illegal. The rules are not at Ll enforceable but it sounds like the landlord is totally insane and could make her daughter's life hell. What if she has a big exam and misses her day to do laundry, she can't do it another day? Can't eat in her room?!? Even no overnight guests is ridiculous.

If the all is renting room individually then yes, she can pick the roommates.