True Detective finale thread (spoilers)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A bunch of those questions were answered!

Really? Can you help me with answers then? I added some explanation in brackets, to make sure you understand my open questions.

1. Whatever happened to Cohle's obsession with continuing the search even after Reggie LeDoux's death? [Meaning: Why is he no longer obsessed even though he knows other related killers are out there?]
2. What was the connection between LeDoux and Childress? [I get that there's a relationship Hart & Cohle uncovered with the auto shop guy in episode 7, but why are the LeDoux brothers capturing and holding children in connection with Errol Childress?]
3. Are neither of them at all curious about why the Tuttle's housekeeper freaked out about Carcosa? [What does she know about Errol's bunker?]
4. And who was powerful enough to convince the robber in prison to commit suicide after he'd mentioned Carcosa to Cohle?
5. What are the bird-traps stick figures for? [I understand the "soul catcher" history, but why were Errol and LeDoux setting them everywhere?]
6. Why do Hart & Cohle suddenly not care about who is on the videotape that's been making everyone who watches it cry out in terror?
7. Who on the police force was changing all the missing persons reports to "reported in error" for 20+ years? [I get that the elder Childress did at least some of them, but he clearly did not have the juice to do them all, especially once Errol tied him up in the shed. And while we're at it, why did Errol tie him up?]

No, I don't have time to answer all your questions, but as for 1 and 6, first of all, they haven't even gotten out of the hospital yet so I'm not sure what they were supposed to have done since getting Childress, and second of all, they have a conversation about it. That's why Hart says they can't catch them all, the world isn't like that, but they got theirs.

There are unanswered questions about the scope of the cult and who was involved, but for me those weren't the gaps because they are easy enough to guess or are supposed to remain unanswered. The questions about Audrey and her possible molestation are a much bigger hole, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Cohle and Hart couldn't get a cell signal and the serial killer didn't have a phone so how did the cops know to swoop in especially because both detectives had gone "off the grid" so to speak. What did I miss?

My understanding is that the killer had one non working phone, but Marty realized that everyone must have a phone (he states that everyone has a phone) and threatens the killer's half sister/lover into telling him where the working phone is.

Oh! yes you're right! what stuck in my mind was the non-working landline phone not thinking that the sister told him where the working one was.

On a different subject, Cohle's story of his near-death experience was riveting. I was sad for him because you KNOW he wanted to let go but something pulled him back into that ugly world he lives in. That show does no favors for the state of LA. Just like Low Winter Sun does no favors for Detroit. shows the nasty underbelly of both places.

Yes, so agree about the near-death scene. Matthew McC deserves an Emmy just for that scene alone.

This whole season was amazing but I will say that the first scene of the finale episode, with the lawnmower man having sex with the lover/sister and saying "tell me about grandpa again" or whatever was so ridiculous that I could not stop laughing. I found it way over the top.

Re this show doing no favors for LA, give me a break, do you think this is "real" LA? No more so than the Wire is really Baltimore or House of Cards is really DC. This is totally fiction.

I've lived in Baltimore, the Wire actually is like Baltimore.

So is there a connection between the meth guys and the killer at the end? The meth men were keeping children chained in a room, one became the institutionalize girl who said the Man with the scars made her watch what he did to the boy. So somehow the meth men are connected to the killer, yes????

[Anonymous]

Childress says in the finale that those men were his "acolytes."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Childress says in the finale that those men were his "acolytes."

To whom was he speaking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Childress says in the finale that those men were his "acolytes."

Ok, thanks. I missed that part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Cohle and Hart couldn't get a cell signal and the serial killer didn't have a phone so how did the cops know to swoop in especially because both detectives had gone "off the grid" so to speak. What did I miss?

My understanding is that the killer had one non working phone, but Marty realized that everyone must have a phone (he states that everyone has a phone) and threatens the killer's half sister/lover into telling him where the working phone is.

Oh! yes you're right! what stuck in my mind was the non-working landline phone not thinking that the sister told him where the working one was.

On a different subject, Cohle's story of his near-death experience was riveting. I was sad for him because you KNOW he wanted to let go but something pulled him back into that ugly world he lives in. That show does no favors for the state of LA. Just like Low Winter Sun does no favors for Detroit. shows the nasty underbelly of both places.

Yes, so agree about the near-death scene. Matthew McC deserves an Emmy just for that scene alone.

This whole season was amazing but I will say that the first scene of the finale episode, with the lawnmower man having sex with the lover/sister and saying "tell me about grandpa again" or whatever was so ridiculous that I could not stop laughing. I found it way over the top.

Re this show doing no favors for LA, give me a break, do you think this is "real" LA? No more so than the Wire is really Baltimore or House of Cards is really DC. This is totally fiction.

I'm from Southwest Louisiana, which is where the show is set. Most of the show was pretty spot on. And I absolutely think that if this were real life here, most of the establishment cops would sweep under the rug/refuse to look into links with important people/etc that we saw on the show. Nic Pizzolatto is from my hometown and portrayed it well.

[Anonymous]

I did not like how buddy-buddy Cohle and Rust became. The last part of the show seemed like CSI:Cohle and Rust. I would have liked a longer Carcosa/Yellow King rather than that. It seemed too pat how Papania rode up to save them with the cavalry. But overall, very good wrap up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Childress says in the finale that those men were his "acolytes."

To whom was he speaking?

To Cohle, inside the Carcosa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A bunch of those questions were answered!

Really? Can you help me with answers then? I added some explanation in brackets, to make sure you understand my open questions.

1. Whatever happened to Cohle's obsession with continuing the search even after Reggie LeDoux's death? [Meaning: Why is he no longer obsessed even though he knows other related killers are out there?]
2. What was the connection between LeDoux and Childress? [I get that there's a relationship Hart & Cohle uncovered with the auto shop guy in episode 7, but why are the LeDoux brothers capturing and holding children in connection with Errol Childress?]
3. Are neither of them at all curious about why the Tuttle's housekeeper freaked out about Carcosa? [What does she know about Errol's bunker?]
4. And who was powerful enough to convince the robber in prison to commit suicide after he'd mentioned Carcosa to Cohle?
5. What are the bird-traps stick figures for? [I understand the "soul catcher" history, but why were Errol and LeDoux setting them everywhere?]
6. Why do Hart & Cohle suddenly not care about who is on the videotape that's been making everyone who watches it cry out in terror?
7. Who on the police force was changing all the missing persons reports to "reported in error" for 20+ years? [I get that the elder Childress did at least some of them, but he clearly did not have the juice to do them all, especially once Errol tied him up in the shed. And while we're at it, why did Errol tie him up?]

2. I thought that the LeDoux brothers and Errol Childress were just friends with a penchant for torturing/killing children and women. However, it's possible that the LeDoux family was another of Sam Tuttle's secret families (there would be a lot of them if he only had sex with virgins, right?)
4. The guy who committed suicide in jail was being guarded by an Officer Childress who presumably said something to him that made him kill himself or he killed him outright.
7. I thought that Sheriff Ted Childress was the one changing the police records. They mentioned that only the governor could arrest a sheriff and the governor was a Tuttle at the time.

[Anonymous]

"Alright fellas, we've got this massive conspiracy of evil SOBs committing murders and horrific sex crimes on women and children. They've been doing it for at least 20 years, and they're operating all along the coast of Southern Louisiana! Also, they've infiltrated the police departments and the government, so they can cover up their crimes. Let's go get them!"

... a little later ...

"OK, so we killed one of the guys who was involved. Let's just quit and go home. Goodbye."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Alright fellas, we've got this massive conspiracy of evil SOBs committing murders and horrific sex crimes on women and children. They've been doing it for at least 20 years, and they're operating all along the coast of Southern Louisiana! Also, they've infiltrated the police departments and the government, so they can cover up their crimes. Let's go get them!"

... a little later ...

"OK, so we killed one of the guys who was involved. Let's just quit and go home. Goodbye."

Didn't you hear what the news anchor said? The machine was already at work clearing the names of the powerful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Cohle and Hart couldn't get a cell signal and the serial killer didn't have a phone so how did the cops know to swoop in especially because both detectives had gone "off the grid" so to speak. What did I miss?

My understanding is that the killer had one non working phone, but Marty realized that everyone must have a phone (he states that everyone has a phone) and threatens the killer's half sister/lover into telling him where the working phone is.

Oh! yes you're right! what stuck in my mind was the non-working landline phone not thinking that the sister told him where the working one was.

On a different subject, Cohle's story of his near-death experience was riveting. I was sad for him because you KNOW he wanted to let go but something pulled him back into that ugly world he lives in. That show does no favors for the state of LA. Just like Low Winter Sun does no favors for Detroit. shows the nasty underbelly of both places.

Yes, so agree about the near-death scene. Matthew McC deserves an Emmy just for that scene alone.

This whole season was amazing but I will say that the first scene of the finale episode, with the lawnmower man having sex with the lover/sister and saying "tell me about grandpa again" or whatever was so ridiculous that I could not stop laughing. I found it way over the top.

Re this show doing no favors for LA, give me a break, do you think this is "real" LA? No more so than the Wire is really Baltimore or House of Cards is really DC. This is totally fiction.

I'm from Southwest Louisiana, which is where the show is set. Most of the show was pretty spot on. And I absolutely think that if this were real life here, most of the establishment cops would sweep under the rug/refuse to look into links with important people/etc that we saw on the show. Nic Pizzolatto is from my hometown and portrayed it well.

Okay, I'm the PP who said this is not "real" LA and I'm also from LA. The scenery was good and some of the cops were realistic but I think it's totally incorrect to say this represents "real" LA. People will take that to mean we're all full of the occult and that there are disgusting guys like Childress and Ledoux down every random country road. Yes, it looked like Louisiana but the story was completely fictional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Alright fellas, we've got this massive conspiracy of evil SOBs committing murders and horrific sex crimes on women and children. They've been doing it for at least 20 years, and they're operating all along the coast of Southern Louisiana! Also, they've infiltrated the police departments and the government, so they can cover up their crimes. Let's go get them!"

... a little later ...

"OK, so we killed one of the guys who was involved. Let's just quit and go home. Goodbye."

Didn't you hear what the news anchor said? The machine was already at work clearing the names of the powerful.

Yeah, but at least Hart & Cohle, and perhaps others, know that isn't true. Some group of at least six (5 participants + videographer) did horrific crimes for decades. Why no interest in pursuing them once Errol goes down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Cohle and Hart couldn't get a cell signal and the serial killer didn't have a phone so how did the cops know to swoop in especially because both detectives had gone "off the grid" so to speak. What did I miss?

My understanding is that the killer had one non working phone, but Marty realized that everyone must have a phone (he states that everyone has a phone) and threatens the killer's half sister/lover into telling him where the working phone is.

Oh! yes you're right! what stuck in my mind was the non-working landline phone not thinking that the sister told him where the working one was.

On a different subject, Cohle's story of his near-death experience was riveting. I was sad for him because you KNOW he wanted to let go but something pulled him back into that ugly world he lives in. That show does no favors for the state of LA. Just like Low Winter Sun does no favors for Detroit. shows the nasty underbelly of both places.

Yes, so agree about the near-death scene. Matthew McC deserves an Emmy just for that scene alone.

This whole season was amazing but I will say that the first scene of the finale episode, with the lawnmower man having sex with the lover/sister and saying "tell me about grandpa again" or whatever was so ridiculous that I could not stop laughing. I found it way over the top.

Re this show doing no favors for LA, give me a break, do you think this is "real" LA? No more so than the Wire is really Baltimore or House of Cards is really DC. This is totally fiction.

I'm from Southwest Louisiana, which is where the show is set. Most of the show was pretty spot on. And I absolutely think that if this were real life here, most of the establishment cops would sweep under the rug/refuse to look into links with important people/etc that we saw on the show. Nic Pizzolatto is from my hometown and portrayed it well.

Okay, I'm the PP who said this is not "real" LA and I'm also from LA. The scenery was good and some of the cops were realistic but I think it's totally incorrect to say this represents "real" LA. People will take that to mean we're all full of the occult and that there are disgusting guys like Childress and Ledoux down every random country road. Yes, it looked like Louisiana but the story was completely fictional.

Hah, I'd be interested to hear what town you're from. Obviously we're not all devil worshippers but if you told me that the Tuttle/Ledoux/Childress pedophile ring was located in my town I'd not be shocked in the slightest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Alright fellas, we've got this massive conspiracy of evil SOBs committing murders and horrific sex crimes on women and children. They've been doing it for at least 20 years, and they're operating all along the coast of Southern Louisiana! Also, they've infiltrated the police departments and the government, so they can cover up their crimes. Let's go get them!"

... a little later ...

"OK, so we killed one of the guys who was involved. Let's just quit and go home. Goodbye."

To me, this is part of the Darkness vs. Light conundrum that Cohle and Hart learn that they have to live with, and in fact do finally live with, deciding that Light is winning. They realize that they cannot possibly out all the bad guys in this conspiracy. They will not be able to, do not have the resources to, and cannot overcome their links with power (Tuttle). Does the Darkness win? Perhaps. Perhaps not. We have to decide that, each one of us.