Foreign Universities...

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Anonymous wrote:The overall acceptance rate at Oxford is something like 20%. The acceptance rate for overseas schools is lower but at maybe 10% (?) it's still better than the top US universities. So while I'm not a big fan of the slaps at affirmative action and ADD kids in the previous post, Oxford is definitely an option for a completely unhooked kid who wants to attend a world class university.

I don't think these acceptance rates tell you much by themselves.

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I wouldn't generalize about European universities. One thing I would agree with is that in the UK at least they are far less concerned with extra-curriculars, and far more concerned with in-depth knowledge of the subject matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

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But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

what country?
What is your version of diverse?
Only rich kids with the occasional diversity student thrown in because of 'diversity'? Or people from all walks of life

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Do you worry about the lack of social network after students graduated from oversea universities and returned to US?

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

Big, fat BS. Most European universities are much more diverse socioeconomically and culturally than American ones. The "time" you spent there was probably as an arrogant tourist and, surprise surprise, you found what you deserve.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you worry about the lack of social network after students graduated from oversea universities and returned to US?

No.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you worry about the lack of social network after students graduated from oversea universities and returned to US?

Depends on the university. I went to a university in London that has a very active DC alumni network. They're just about as active as my undergrand university which was in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

Big, fat BS. Most European universities are much more diverse socioeconomically and culturally than American ones. The "time" you spent there was probably as an arrogant tourist and, surprise surprise, you found what you deserve.

I'd be careful to tout Europe as a big happy family of diversity….most European countries are extremely homogenous and are just beginning (in the past 20 years or so) to have a statistically relevant level of immigration. It's not easy for many of these countries and please be careful to suggest that Europe has figured out diversity better than anywhere else. Europe may be progressive in many ways and may like to "talk the talk", but my experience with the realities on the ground with regard to acceptance of diversity are FAR different. Oh and before you accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about I am married to a European, visit Europe regularly (several times per year) and have family/friends in several different European countries…although I have not studied there I have family members (both American and European) who have studied in a few different countries and we have actually had this conversation (due to a very diverse family with kids wanting to study in many places).

Also, there was absolutely no need to get so testy with your answer to the PP. Frankly, you sound like arrogant yourself when you go around questioning people on their experiences simply because they didn't say what you wanted to hear…

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

Big, fat BS. Most European universities are much more diverse socioeconomically and culturally than American ones. The "time" you spent there was probably as an arrogant tourist and, surprise surprise, you found what you deserve.

you skipped racial diversity - wonder why? Where are the people of color? The Roma for example?

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

Big, fat BS. Most European universities are much more diverse socioeconomically and culturally than American ones. The "time" you spent there was probably as an arrogant tourist and, surprise surprise, you found what you deserve.

you skipped racial diversity - wonder why? Where are the people of color? The Roma for example?

Roma have terrible grades and can't pass entrance exams. A vast majority leaves school well before college is even a consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They are not trying to level the field and they don't care about diversity. They are cheap and everyone can attend for as long as they are a good student. Thats about it.

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Race based affirmative action is considered unlawful in Europe, but there are SES preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

If that bothers you, that don't send your kids there. I couldn't care less.

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Anonymous wrote:Is diversity a "plus factor" when applying to a foreign university? Which foreign universities have affirmative action programs?

I doubt it. All schools I am familiar with look and grades and tests only.

I find that hard to believe. How can these schools assemble a diverse environment without some system for leveling the playing field?

They level the playing field by being dirt cheap compared to American ones, so that anyone who wants to learn and contribute can do so. Many top universities are free or close to free.

But are they diverse? The benefits of diversity are undeniable http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/women-on-corporate-boards-do-they-make-men-that-uncomfortable/

I spent time at two of the top European universities and they were lily white.

Big, fat BS. Most European universities are much more diverse socioeconomically and culturally than American ones. The "time" you spent there was probably as an arrogant tourist and, surprise surprise, you found what you deserve.

you skipped racial diversity - wonder why? Where are the people of color? The Roma for example?

Roma have terrible grades and can't pass entrance exams. A vast majority leaves school well before college is even a consideration.

Sounds like something someone in the Jim Crow era might say.