Some of you Dems - convince me not to be a nervous wreck if Obama wins

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a comment from Craigslist that I copied, should interest a few...

If you are going to repost crap from Craig's List, please take a minute first to do some due diligence. This post is FALSE and clearly labeled as such on Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Between now and the election we will see the worst of the right wing. Lies, fear, and hatred is all they have left.

And, if you try spreading this shit on DCUM, I'm going to call you on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think A-2's point is about McCain choosing Palin when he really wanted to pick Lieberman. I'm guessing that A-2 is arguing that the pick demonstrates that McCain is a cynical politician playing to his base. That is, that winning the election became more important to him than leaving us with an inexperienced replacement should he die in office.

But A-2, don't let me put words in your mouth. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, this. Thank you -- too busy to follow-up today.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a comment from Craigslist that I copied, should interest a few...

If you are going to repost crap from Craig's List, please take a minute first to do some due diligence. This post is FALSE and clearly labeled as such on Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Between now and the election we will see the worst of the right wing. Lies, fear, and hatred is all they have left.

And, if you try spreading this shit on DCUM, I'm going to call you on it.

Jeff, That Craigslist crap is posted in another topic as well. I think the Why I am voting dem conversation. Thanks for calling them out on what nonsense that is.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, That Craigslist crap is posted in another topic as well. I think the Why I am voting dem conversation. Thanks for calling them out on what nonsense that is.

Yes, it was spammed across several threads. Someone posting from Arizona. We welcome differing views -- even crap from Craig's List -- but we don't welcome spammers. Hence, this poster won't be visiting us further.

You know, the McCain campaign has a program that basically encourages their followers to spam websites and then collect "points". In recent days, we've had a poster from Texas respond to about 20 threads -- most of which were dormant, we've had some from Spokane, Washington post lots of pro-McCain propaganda, and then tonight's Craig's List poster from Arizona. I wonder how many points have been earned as a result of such posts?

Here's where you report your McCain spam and earn points:

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Here's where you report your McCain spam and earn points:

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Just when I finally managed to overcome the urge to call him McSame or McShame I have to control the new urge to call him McSpam!

[Anonymous]

I think you're misrepresenting what this website says. It encourages people to post their opinions about McCain on blog and news sites, not participate in spamming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you're misrepresenting what this website says. It encourages people to post their opinions about McCain on blog and news sites, not participate in spamming.

Agreed. And I could not find anything about Obama's educational saga in the suggested cut and paste talking points.

My DH brought up the time Obama spent in Pakistan as a youth when I commented on his pronunciation of "Pakistan" (while it may be right, it sounds pretentious to me). I had no idea, and still don't know if it is true. My DH sent me the following - can someone tell me whether it is accurate?

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.

If true, it makes me uneasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you're misrepresenting what this website says. It encourages people to post their opinions about McCain on blog and news sites, not participate in spamming.

Agreed. And I could not find anything about Obama's educational saga in the suggested cut and paste talking points.

My DH brought up the time Obama spent in Pakistan as a youth when I commented on his pronunciation of "Pakistan" (while it may be right, it sounds pretentious to me). I had no idea, and still don't know if it is true. My DH sent me the following - can someone tell me whether it is accurate?

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.

If true, it makes me uneasy.

This is as crazy as the theory that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy to cover up her daughter's!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:
Yes, it was spammed across several threads. Someone posting from Arizona. We welcome differing views -- even crap from Craig's List -- but we don't welcome spammers. Hence, this poster won't be visiting us further.

You know, the McCain campaign has a program that basically encourages their followers to spam websites and then collect "points". In recent days, we've had a poster from Texas respond to about 20 threads -- most of which were dormant, we've had some from Spokane, Washington post lots of pro-McCain propaganda, and then tonight's Craig's List poster from Arizona. I wonder how many points have been earned as a result of such posts?

Here's where you report your McCain spam and earn points:

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Ohhhh, that explains the weekend wonder who was up all night writing extremist stuff on the Political threads! I was so naive as to think that was just a caffeine-crazed, obsessive DCUMer!

But, tell me, what do the points to towards? I can't figure that out.

[Anonymous]

I agree with Jeff. Lies, hatred, and xenophobia is all they have left.

Yesterday when Palin was speaking about Obama, a man in the crowd yelled out, "Kill him!" I personally think that man should have been arrested and interrogated for 6-8 hours.

Were starting to see a whole bunch a racially tinged or motivated statements and adds. Linking Obama continuously with the word "terrorist". Calling him "that one" -- I mean, who knows how McCain meant it -- that's not the point -- look at the effect it's having on people today.

We got a lot of people facing bad economic times and, for many of those people (indeed, perhaps for all of us) race is a very charged issue. The pot is boiling. And the RNC just keeps stirring it. Someone is going to get burned badly. I am much more worried about domestic racial and/or political violence that I am concerned with any international threat at the moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Yesterday when Palin was speaking about Obama, a man in the crowd yelled out, "Kill him!" I personally think that man should have been arrested and interrogated for 6-8 hours.

Really? Was that the heckler that she put down but stopping her speech and saying something to the effect "Bless your heart! [code for FU] My son is fighting in Iraq to protect your right to free speech!" I saw the news clip but could not decipher what the man was saying.

Agree, the Secret Service should have definitely detained him. But are you trying to say that Sarah Palin agreed with, arranged for, or condoned the remarks? THAT is a stretch too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you're misrepresenting what this website says. It encourages people to post their opinions about McCain on blog and news sites, not participate in spamming.

Agreed. And I could not find anything about Obama's educational saga in the suggested cut and paste talking points.

My DH brought up the time Obama spent in Pakistan as a youth when I commented on his pronunciation of "Pakistan" (while it may be right, it sounds pretentious to me). I had no idea, and still don't know if it is true. My DH sent me the following - can someone tell me whether it is accurate?

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.

If true, it makes me uneasy.

This is as crazy as the theory that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy to cover up her daughter's!

So its not true? He didn't go to Pakistan when it was on the US State Department's banned list? Or he didn't go to Pakistan but just said he did? Forget the Jihad-Wahabbi-Madrassa craziness, what about the trip?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you're misrepresenting what this website says. It encourages people to post their opinions about McCain on blog and news sites, not participate in spamming.

Agreed. And I could not find anything about Obama's educational saga in the suggested cut and paste talking points.

My DH brought up the time Obama spent in Pakistan as a youth when I commented on his pronunciation of "Pakistan" (while it may be right, it sounds pretentious to me). I had no idea, and still don't know if it is true. My DH sent me the following - can someone tell me whether it is accurate?

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.

If true, it makes me uneasy.

This is as crazy as the theory that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy to cover up her daughter's!

What does "banned" mean in reference to the State Dept.'s banned country list? I figure it's a warning to Americans that they are vulnerable to danger in a country that is anti-American at that period in time? If as a young man, Obama chose to travel there, so what? He was about 20-21 yo, searching for himself and the meaning of life in the world thru his travels. I, also traveled in my early 20s to soul search and when I traveled, I avoided the countries that were considered "dangerous" only bc I am female.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.

I don't know why people have so much confidence in anonymous chain emails that come from who knows where. Very often, the same people that take such emails as gospel loudly proclaim their distrust of CNN and the Washington Post.

After many searches, I found countless references to travel being banned to Pakistan in 1981. However, none of those references were from official sources. They were all from right-wing blogs and forum postings. Not even a major publication reported such a ban. To the contrary, I found that in 1981, that under President Ronald Reagan, "the United States agreed in 1981 to provide US$3.2 billion to Pakistan over a period of six years, equally divided between economic and military assistance." I find it hard to believe that travel would be banned to a country that was just gifted $32. billion of our tax dollars.

Further distortions: Jihad is not the duty of every true believer. There are over a billion Muslims in the world and relatively few waging jihad. Most don't even agree on what the word "jihad" means. The vast majority will tell you it has nothing to do with war.

The idea that an official reason for travel is to buy drugs is simply ridiculous. In fact, I am surprised that any reasonably intelligent person would take this seriously at all. Its another sign of how deep xenophobia runs in the American psyche. Anyone can apparently type a few non-sequiturs that combine Muslims and Obama and send it out on the Internet and have it taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I
My DH brought up the time Obama spent in Pakistan as a youth when I commented on his pronunciation of "Pakistan" (while it may be right, it sounds pretentious to me). I

Minor point here: Pronouncing a country's name correctly is pretentious? I, too, noticed his pronounciation. Perhaps, because I am Indian, I appreciated that point.