The power of prayer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it doesn’t work, but it’s hard not to pray when your loved one is in a dire situation.

One of the funniest aspects of the dcum religion forum is the atheist and anti theistic posters who pretend huge, important theological and philosophical questions that humankind has been struggling with for centuries are known to them alone. Out of all people who ever lived and live now, the dcum internet atheists know:

-God isn’t real
-prayer doesn’t work
-when a human dies, they simply cease to exist
-humans do not experience an afterlife
-there is nothing beyond the physical world

Our friendly dcum atheists without fail present the above as absolute fact.

The greatest thinkers/philosphers/teachers do not claim to know these things. They have opinions on these things, like most of us do.

But the dcum atheist knows these things.

And…almost every single DCUM believer presents their gods/jesus/bible as absolute fact.

They believe in special sky voodoo.
They don’t understand science.
They think their gods actually exist.

Having a personal belief is much different than stating a fact.

Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.

They state their beliefs as facts.

God does this.
Jesus did that.

Most modern scientists don’t believe in god.

About 51% of scientists believe in God or a higher power.


A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Right. Only 33% believe in god.

Most don’t believe in god.

According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.

[Anonymous]

I used to, but now I find it off-putting and arrogant when someone claims their prayers worked. If there's a God, he's going to save who he wants to save. Saying it's because of prayers is like saying "sorry, you didn't pray enough for your 11 year to not die of brain cancer." I simply cannot rationalize that in my brain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it doesn’t work, but it’s hard not to pray when your loved one is in a dire situation.

One of the funniest aspects of the dcum religion forum is the atheist and anti theistic posters who pretend huge, important theological and philosophical questions that humankind has been struggling with for centuries are known to them alone. Out of all people who ever lived and live now, the dcum internet atheists know:

-God isn’t real
-prayer doesn’t work
-when a human dies, they simply cease to exist
-humans do not experience an afterlife
-there is nothing beyond the physical world

Our friendly dcum atheists without fail present the above as absolute fact.

The greatest thinkers/philosphers/teachers do not claim to know these things. They have opinions on these things, like most of us do.

But the dcum atheist knows these things.

And…almost every single DCUM believer presents their gods/jesus/bible as absolute fact.

They believe in special sky voodoo.
They don’t understand science.
They think their gods actually exist.

Having a personal belief is much different than stating a fact.

Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.

They state their beliefs as facts.

God does this.
Jesus did that.

Most modern scientists don’t believe in god.

About 51% of scientists believe in God or a higher power.


A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Right. Only 33% believe in god.

Most don’t believe in god.

According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.

The comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do not believe in gods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it doesn’t work, but it’s hard not to pray when your loved one is in a dire situation.

One of the funniest aspects of the dcum religion forum is the atheist and anti theistic posters who pretend huge, important theological and philosophical questions that humankind has been struggling with for centuries are known to them alone. Out of all people who ever lived and live now, the dcum internet atheists know:

-God isn’t real
-prayer doesn’t work
-when a human dies, they simply cease to exist
-humans do not experience an afterlife
-there is nothing beyond the physical world

Our friendly dcum atheists without fail present the above as absolute fact.

The greatest thinkers/philosphers/teachers do not claim to know these things. They have opinions on these things, like most of us do.

But the dcum atheist knows these things.

And…almost every single DCUM believer presents their gods/jesus/bible as absolute fact.

They believe in special sky voodoo.
They don’t understand science.
They think their gods actually exist.

Having a personal belief is much different than stating a fact.

Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.

They state their beliefs as facts.

God does this.
Jesus did that.

Most modern scientists don’t believe in god.

About 51% of scientists believe in God or a higher power.


A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Right. Only 33% believe in god.

Most don’t believe in god.

According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.

The comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do not believe in gods.

According to the Pew survey, 51% of modern scientists believe in God or a higher universal power.

So, the majority of modern scientists believe in God or a higher universal power.

And yet the comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do NOT believe in “God”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it doesn’t work, but it’s hard not to pray when your loved one is in a dire situation.

One of the funniest aspects of the dcum religion forum is the atheist and anti theistic posters who pretend huge, important theological and philosophical questions that humankind has been struggling with for centuries are known to them alone. Out of all people who ever lived and live now, the dcum internet atheists know:

-God isn’t real
-prayer doesn’t work
-when a human dies, they simply cease to exist
-humans do not experience an afterlife
-there is nothing beyond the physical world

Our friendly dcum atheists without fail present the above as absolute fact.

The greatest thinkers/philosphers/teachers do not claim to know these things. They have opinions on these things, like most of us do.

But the dcum atheist knows these things.

And…almost every single DCUM believer presents their gods/jesus/bible as absolute fact.

They believe in special sky voodoo.
They don’t understand science.
They think their gods actually exist.

Having a personal belief is much different than stating a fact.

Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.

They state their beliefs as facts.

God does this.
Jesus did that.

Most modern scientists don’t believe in god.

About 51% of scientists believe in God or a higher power.


A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Right. Only 33% believe in god.

Most don’t believe in god.

According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.

The comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do not believe in gods.

According to the Pew survey, 51% of modern scientists believe in God or a higher universal power.

So, the majority of modern scientists believe in God or a higher universal power.

And yet the comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do NOT believe in “God”.

You are bringing your personal vendetta against religion into every thread. You really need help.

Baseless ad hominem.

Fact: believers frequently state their religious beliefs as facts on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it doesn’t work, but it’s hard not to pray when your loved one is in a dire situation.

One of the funniest aspects of the dcum religion forum is the atheist and anti theistic posters who pretend huge, important theological and philosophical questions that humankind has been struggling with for centuries are known to them alone. Out of all people who ever lived and live now, the dcum internet atheists know:

-God isn’t real
-prayer doesn’t work
-when a human dies, they simply cease to exist
-humans do not experience an afterlife
-there is nothing beyond the physical world

Our friendly dcum atheists without fail present the above as absolute fact.

The greatest thinkers/philosphers/teachers do not claim to know these things. They have opinions on these things, like most of us do.

But the dcum atheist knows these things.

And…almost every single DCUM believer presents their gods/jesus/bible as absolute fact.

They believe in special sky voodoo.
They don’t understand science.
They think their gods actually exist.

Having a personal belief is much different than stating a fact.

Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.

They state their beliefs as facts.

God does this.
Jesus did that.

Most modern scientists don’t believe in god.

About 51% of scientists believe in God or a higher power.


A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

Right. Only 33% believe in god.

Most don’t believe in god.

According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.

The comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do not believe in gods.

According to the Pew survey, 51% of modern scientists believe in God or a higher universal power.

So, the majority of modern scientists believe in God or a higher universal power.

And yet the comment was: “Some of the greatest scientists in history believed in God.”

Most modern scientists do NOT believe in “God”.

You are bringing your personal vendetta against religion into every thread. You really need help.

Baseless ad hominem.

Fact: believers frequently state their religious beliefs as facts on DCUM.

A personal belief is something a person accepts as true, values, or feels convinced of. But expressing a belief does not mean they’re claiming it is an established fact.


People express beliefs as things they think are true about the world, but they recognize that others disagree.

When atheists state God doesn’t exist, prayer doesn’t work, and no afterlife exists, they don’t recognize that others disagree with their opinion.

If you weren’t a hypocrite you would also say that to the believers who ARE expressing their beliefs as established facts.

[Anonymous]

No. I watched my brother die from a horrible accident. I prayed that God would take my dad from his suffering from cancer. My brother still died and my dad went 3 months without food and 6 days without water. I didn't even think that was possible. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As responded to your nearly identical post in the other thread:

There is no evidence for the things you believe.

God is defined as a transcendent, non-physical being beyond the natural world, and philosophers, theologians, and scientists agree that science is not equipped to test that claim directly.

Science studies observable, measurable phenomena in the natural world.


Science can inform the discussion and evaluate certain claims related to God, but it has not produced a definitive, universally accepted proof or disproof of God’s existence. The question ultimately touches not only on science, but also on philosophy, theology, and personal interpretation of evidence. You know this, and that’s why you are being, as I borrow your phrase, a “sandypants.”

So you agree there is no evidence for the things you believe.

We’re good then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As responded to your nearly identical post in the other thread:

There is no evidence for the things you believe.

God is defined as a transcendent, non-physical being beyond the natural world, and philosophers, theologians, and scientists agree that science is not equipped to test that claim directly.

Science studies observable, measurable phenomena in the natural world.


Science can inform the discussion and evaluate certain claims related to God, but it has not produced a definitive, universally accepted proof or disproof of God’s existence. The question ultimately touches not only on science, but also on philosophy, theology, and personal interpretation of evidence. You know this, and that’s why you are being, as I borrow your phrase, a “sandypants.”

So you agree there is no evidence for the things you believe.

We’re good then.

No, we aren’t in agreement.

You erroneously believe science can prove or disprove an entity that exists beyond the physical world.

Even scientists admit they can’t prove or disprove God, prayer, or an afterlife.

You stubbornly don’t care about reality, so there’s that.

I am good, though.

But that doesn’t dispute the fact that there is no evidence for those beliefs, no matter how you try to rationalize and spin.

My posts are in response to your objections as to how atheists express their opinions.

As for your claim that I don’t care about reality. I have no idea what your point is or what you mean.

If you do dispute the fact that there is no evidence for your beliefs, please feel free to present it.

Until then, we are, as i said, good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As responded to your nearly identical post in the other thread:

There is no evidence for the things you believe.

God is defined as a transcendent, non-physical being beyond the natural world, and philosophers, theologians, and scientists agree that science is not equipped to test that claim directly.

Science studies observable, measurable phenomena in the natural world.


Science can inform the discussion and evaluate certain claims related to God, but it has not produced a definitive, universally accepted proof or disproof of God’s existence. The question ultimately touches not only on science, but also on philosophy, theology, and personal interpretation of evidence. You know this, and that’s why you are being, as I borrow your phrase, a “sandypants.”

So you agree there is no evidence for the things you believe.

We’re good then.

No, we aren’t in agreement.

You erroneously believe science can prove or disprove an entity that exists beyond the physical world.

Even scientists admit they can’t prove or disprove God, prayer, or an afterlife.

You stubbornly don’t care about reality, so there’s that.

I am good, though.

But that doesn’t dispute the fact that there is no evidence for those beliefs, no matter how you try to rationalize and spin.

My posts are in response to your objections as to how atheists express their opinions.

As for your claim that I don’t care about reality. I have no idea what your point is or what you mean.

If you do dispute the fact that there is no evidence for your beliefs, please feel free to present it.

Until then, we are, as i said, good.

Now, after trying to form a fake agreement, you are trying and failing to enforce a false narrative that there is no evidence for my belief.

How you know what my beliefs are based on? That’s a very odd and unknowable claim: you somehow know what every religious person’s beliefs are based upon.

How do you know what every religious person’s beliefs are based upon?

Science can inform the discussion and evaluate certain claims related to God, but it has not produced a definitive, universally accepted proof or disproof of God’s existence. The question ultimately touches not only on science, but also on philosophy, theology, and personal interpretation of evidence.

I get it; you think your personal interpretation of everyone currently alive or passed on is the deciding factor in their personal religious beliefs.

The stunning arrogance that you sit in judgment of everyone else’s life, it’s beyond any reasonable expectation or sense of reality.

No evidence presented. Point remains undisputed.

[Anonymous]

I believe in physics. I think there is science backing the power of positive thinking and I believe prayer fall into that area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe in physics. I think there is science backing the power of positive thinking and I believe prayer fall into that area.

Its called the placebo effect and is well documented. Sugar pills have the same success rate. There is no margin for supernatural intervention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in physics. I think there is science backing the power of positive thinking and I believe prayer fall into that area.

Its called the placebo effect and is well documented. Sugar pills have the same success rate. There is no margin for supernatural intervention.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in physics. I think there is science backing the power of positive thinking and I believe prayer fall into that area.

Its called the placebo effect and is well documented. Sugar pills have the same success rate. There is no margin for supernatural intervention.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As responded to your nearly identical post in the other thread:

There is no evidence for the things you believe.

God is defined as a transcendent, non-physical being beyond the natural world, and philosophers, theologians, and scientists agree that science is not equipped to test that claim directly.

Science studies observable, measurable phenomena in the natural world.


Science can inform the discussion and evaluate certain claims related to God, but it has not produced a definitive, universally accepted proof or disproof of God’s existence. The question ultimately touches not only on science, but also on philosophy, theology, and personal interpretation of evidence. You know this, and that’s why you are being, as I borrow your phrase, a “sandypants.”

So you agree there is no evidence for the things you believe.

We’re good then.

No, we aren’t in agreement.

You erroneously believe science can prove or disprove an entity that exists beyond the physical world.

Even scientists admit they can’t prove or disprove God, prayer, or an afterlife.

You stubbornly don’t care about reality, so there’s that.

I am good, though.

But that doesn’t dispute the fact that there is no evidence for those beliefs, no matter how you try to rationalize and spin.

My posts are in response to your objections as to how atheists express their opinions.

As for your claim that I don’t care about reality. I have no idea what your point is or what you mean.

If you do dispute the fact that there is no evidence for your beliefs, please feel free to present it.

Until then, we are, as i said, good.

Now, after trying to form a fake agreement, you are trying and failing to enforce a false narrative that there is no evidence for my belief.

How you know what my beliefs are based on? That’s a very odd and unknowable claim: you somehow know what every religious person’s beliefs are based upon.

How do you know what every religious person’s beliefs are based upon?

Science can inform the discussion and evaluate certain claims related to God, but it has not produced a definitive, universally accepted proof or disproof of God’s existence. The question ultimately touches not only on science, but also on philosophy, theology, and personal interpretation of evidence.

I get it; you think your personal interpretation of everyone currently alive or passed on is the deciding factor in their personal religious beliefs.

The stunning arrogance that you sit in judgment of everyone else’s life, it’s beyond any reasonable expectation or sense of reality.

No evidence presented. Point remains undisputed.

Evidence can influence whether someone thinks God exists, but no evidence has convinced everyone, and there is currently no universally accepted proof or disproof of God. Different people look at the same evidence and reach different conclusions.

If by “prove” you mean absolute certainty, then neither science nor philosophy has produced a universally accepted proof or disproof of God.