The Crash documentary

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Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

Because they Aren’t Like Other Parents. They trust their kids judgement over all else. The school sending her home over discipline issues? Too many lame rules to follow? Smoking marijuana while driving and posting videos of it on the internet? It’s just pot. They don’t set boundaries. They let her live her life and it’s never been a problem.

I still can’t believe the parents were so delusional after their daughter — at best, accidentally killed two people while under the influence and, at worst, intentionally drove into a wall at 90 mph with no regard for the other occupants of the vehicle. The whole family seemed to have no remorse.

Intentionally?
Was that proven or just speculated?
She would have had to be very suicidal to be intentional.

DP. Have you heard of a murder suicide?

For murder motive is important. These people were happy to frequently hang around each other.
I am suspicious about Netflix as a source of correct information. The only reason a documentary like this was even made is to get views. Something is always edited and the media is what it is.
All I can say is that the burden of proof for a premeditated murder takes far more than what was exposed in the documentary

The state of Ohio sentenced her to two concurrent sentences of 15 to life for double murder. Netflix didn’t litigate her, the legal system did!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

Because they Aren’t Like Other Parents. They trust their kids judgement over all else. The school sending her home over discipline issues? Too many lame rules to follow? Smoking marijuana while driving and posting videos of it on the internet? It’s just pot. They don’t set boundaries. They let her live her life and it’s never been a problem.

I still can’t believe the parents were so delusional after their daughter — at best, accidentally killed two people while under the influence and, at worst, intentionally drove into a wall at 90 mph with no regard for the other occupants of the vehicle. The whole family seemed to have no remorse.

Intentionally?
Was that proven or just speculated?
She would have had to be very suicidal to be intentional.

DP. Have you heard of a murder suicide?

For murder motive is important. These people were happy to frequently hang around each other.
I am suspicious about Netflix as a source of correct information. The only reason a documentary like this was even made is to get views. Something is always edited and the media is what it is.
All I can say is that the burden of proof for a premeditated murder takes far more than what was exposed in the documentary

The state of Ohio sentenced her to two concurrent sentences of 15 to life for double murder. Netflix didn’t litigate her, the legal system did!

Exactly! And some could argue that the sentence is too short. She’ll be free by her late 30s.

[Anonymous]

There’s something majorily off with the whole family. In one of the calls from jail/prison Mackenzie’s mother seems like she’s barely listening to her, and is just pacifying her. It seems like they wanted to do zero parenting with a difficult/oppositional child.

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Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

This is what I came here to say. WTF??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are some of the trashiest people I have ever seen, except for the family of one of the victims. We need to stop giving people like this a platform in entertainment.

Davion's dad seemed like the most sane parent involved. My heart really went out to him as he was trying to parent Davion and his sister. The sister was impressive too. Suspect the mom (and Dom's mom) wanted nothing to do with the documentary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

Because they Aren’t Like Other Parents. They trust their kids judgement over all else. The school sending her home over discipline issues? Too many lame rules to follow? Smoking marijuana while driving and posting videos of it on the internet? It’s just pot. They don’t set boundaries. They let her live her life and it’s never been a problem.

I still can’t believe the parents were so delusional after their daughter — at best, accidentally killed two people while under the influence and, at worst, intentionally drove into a wall at 90 mph with no regard for the other occupants of the vehicle. The whole family seemed to have no remorse.

Intentionally?
Was that proven or just speculated?
She would have had to be very suicidal to be intentional.

DP. Have you heard of a murder suicide?

For murder motive is important. These people were happy to frequently hang around each other.
I am suspicious about Netflix as a source of correct information. The only reason a documentary like this was even made is to get views. Something is always edited and the media is what it is.
All I can say is that the burden of proof for a premeditated murder takes far more than what was exposed in the documentary

The state of Ohio sentenced her to two concurrent sentences of 15 to life for double murder. Netflix didn’t litigate her, the legal system did!

Exactly! And some could argue that the sentence is too short. She’ll be free by her late 30s.

She’ll be up for parole after 15 years.
It doesn’t mean she will be released. For a double murder conviction it is very unlikely she will get it

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The judge herself told Mackenzie at sentencing that she doubted that she would be out in 15 years and could very likely be in for life.

That was a rational for not giving her the max possible sentence which could be reasonable for someone that young AS LONG as she grows out of the obvious toxic narcissism which I am doubtful of given her family.

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One thing that stands out, that makes me believe she wasn’t “blacked out from a POTS episode”, is the evidence of the cars shifting gears. The car went into neutral, then back into drive. Had she been unconscious and the boys put it in neutral, the car would have decelerated initially. The "black box" shows it did not. They would have never put it back into DRIVE while she was unconscious. It was 100% her putting it back into drive, whether they tried to put it neutral and save themselves or she did for some odd reason.

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She stated she remembered turning onto that road. Then blacked out. There was no reason for her to ever be making that turn in the first place. She's not even a good liar.

She sounds like she fits in well with the other inmates. Her tough girl persona is dominant, and she thinks she's in control. She reminds me of bahd bhabie (catch me outside girl from Dr. Phil).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She stated she remembered turning onto that road. Then blacked out. There was no reason for her to ever be making that turn in the first place. She's not even a good liar.

She sounds like she fits in well with the other inmates. Her tough girl persona is dominant, and she thinks she's in control. She reminds me of bahd bhabie (catch me outside girl from Dr. Phil).

It was a horrific crash. It is not unusual for crash survivors to have no memory of the accident, or events leading shortly to the accident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She stated she remembered turning onto that road. Then blacked out. There was no reason for her to ever be making that turn in the first place. She's not even a good liar.

She sounds like she fits in well with the other inmates. Her tough girl persona is dominant, and she thinks she's in control. She reminds me of bahd bhabie (catch me outside girl from Dr. Phil).

It was a horrific crash. It is not unusual for crash survivors to have no memory of the accident, or events leading shortly to the accident.

Especially when they’re murdering people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She stated she remembered turning onto that road. Then blacked out. There was no reason for her to ever be making that turn in the first place. She's not even a good liar.

She sounds like she fits in well with the other inmates. Her tough girl persona is dominant, and she thinks she's in control. She reminds me of bahd bhabie (catch me outside girl from Dr. Phil).

It was a horrific crash. It is not unusual for crash survivors to have no memory of the accident, or events leading shortly to the accident.

Even if that were true, it does not explain her actions The five seconds leading up to the crash.

[Anonymous]

Did she ever explain why she was in that area in the first place? Was it on route to davions home? Why would she go to an industrial estate that late/early after leaving a get together?

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Did she ever explain why she was in that area in the first place? Was it on route to davions home? Why would she go to an industrial estate that late/early after leaving a get together?

And why had she practiced that route alone before?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why were the parents letting her live with her BF as a 17 yo?!

Because they Aren’t Like Other Parents. They trust their kids judgement over all else. The school sending her home over discipline issues? Too many lame rules to follow? Smoking marijuana while driving and posting videos of it on the internet? It’s just pot. They don’t set boundaries. They let her live her life and it’s never been a problem.

I still can’t believe the parents were so delusional after their daughter — at best, accidentally killed two people while under the influence and, at worst, intentionally drove into a wall at 90 mph with no regard for the other occupants of the vehicle. The whole family seemed to have no remorse.

Intentionally?
Was that proven or just speculated?
She would have had to be very suicidal to be intentional.

Data from the car indicated she had her foot fully depressed on the gas and that there was no attempt at braking. There was an attempt to shift the car from drive to neutral.

She was hunched with her head underneath the steering wheel. It could have been that the men steered around the corners on the road and she was trying to move the slipper.
The prosecution expert said that the slipper was not lodged, but the defense should have called their own expert.
Their defense attorney was too relaxed going in. They could have poked a lot of holes into the prosecutor’s case.
One interesting thing is that the prosecutor said drugs in the system were not causing impaired driving. Prosecutors all the time argue the opposite.
A trial should not evaluate a person’s character, in our times of social media the defense could even have cherry picked counter arguments against every cherry picked argument brought on by the prosecution.

This is true. In the documentary they didn't show the defense attorney using the fact she was hunched or that the slipper was kinda lodged in place under the pedal. It seems like it would have been easier to say she was trying to dislodge it instead of the amnesia angle. Plus she came across as such a terrible person - going with a bench trial instead of a jury was a bad choice.