Dartmouth finally publishes their SAT data in the Common Data Set after dropping TO; white enrollment surges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brown pre-covid
middle 50th percentile
1440-1550

Dang. My legacy kids were born 5 years too late. Solidy in that range and were told not to bother applying.

Whoever told you that was dumb.

[Anonymous]

For non-recruited athletes is Dartmouth worth applying to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the other end of the spectrum, Hopkins saw 50% of their class of 2029 made up of Asian Americans. What gives?

At a guess, high-scoring white kids tend to pick Dartmouth over Hopkins, while high-scoring Asian kids tend to pick Hopkins over Dartmouth.

Also, Dartmouth really focuses on taking kids from the top 10% of their high school class. That might hurt Asian kids, because they tend to be clustered in a small number of high-performing high schools.

Hopkins is famous in taking top 10% of the class. This doesn’t make any sense!

If anything, Hopkins takes a higher percentage of the class that is Top 10% than Dartmouth.

Dp but the obvious difference is that Hopkins and Dartmouth are nothing alike. Dartmouth is essentially a liberal arts college from the 80s. It has heavy Greek life presence (not in a bad way), and its biggest fields include government economics and the like. It has an engineering school, but you usually aren’t going because it’s THE school for engineering. It’s an amazing school (obvious statement), but it doesn’t have the premed/STEM heaviness and anti social personality of JHU that attracts Asian students.

[Anonymous]

My legacy DC, top 10% at rigorous private, national level ECs, 36 ACT with all sections being 36, very authentic and personal essays, was flat out rejected in ED. We donate annually too. Not anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My legacy DC, top 10% at rigorous private, national level ECs, 36 ACT with all sections being 36, very authentic and personal essays, was flat out rejected in ED. We donate annually too. Not anymore.

What was SAT score?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My legacy DC, top 10% at rigorous private, national level ECs, 36 ACT with all sections being 36, very authentic and personal essays, was flat out rejected in ED. We donate annually too. Not anymore.

What was SAT score?

Didn’t take the SAT. Only ACT.

[Anonymous]

Fall 2020 freshmen data sets, ivies:
(Best correlation to today as it was after the 2016 recentering)

25—50(est)--75

Harvard 1460-1520–1580
UPenn. 1460- 1515-1570
Yale. 1470- 1515-1560
Princeton. 1460- 1510–1560
Brown. 1440- 1495- 1550
Dartmouth 1430–1490—1550
Cornell. 1410–1475–1530

Columbia’s does not appear to be available. They had a long history of not publishing it.

Dartmouth ‘s new data set is stronger not weaker; Dartmouth likely remains bottom three in the Ivy League

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

You shouldn't. This is what the IVY SAT profiles were in 2019, before COVID and TO. This is what they will return to.
[All 8 Ivy League Schools — SAT Scores, 2019–2020 CDS (Fall 2019 Enrolled Freshmen)
School 25th 50th (est.)75th
Harvard 1500 1540 1580
Princeton 1470 1515 1560
Yale 1470 1515 1560
Columbia 1490 1530 1570
Penn 1450 1505 1560
Brown 1440 1495 1550
Dartmouth1450 15001550
Cornell 1420 1480 1540

NO thats not from Harvard’s 2019-20 data set. It lists 1460 to 1570 with an estimated median 1515.

[Anonymous]

^columbia’s is not the 2019 set either. Good grief

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

You shouldn't. This is what the IVY SAT profiles were in 2019, before COVID and TO. This is what they will return to.
[All 8 Ivy League Schools — SAT Scores, 2019–2020 CDS (Fall 2019 Enrolled Freshmen)
School 25th 50th (est.)75th
Harvard 1500 1540 1580
Princeton 1470 1515 1560
Yale 1470 1515 1560
Columbia 1490 1530 1570
Penn 1450 1505 1560
Brown 1440 1495 1550
Dartmouth1450 15001550
Cornell 1420 1480 1540

NO thats not from Harvard’s 2019-20 data set. It lists 1460 to 1570 with an estimated median 1515.

You're right. I used Chat GPT, and then spot checked only Dartmouh at the following website.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/common-data-set-repository


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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2020 freshmen data sets, ivies:
(Best correlation to today as it was after the 2016 recentering)

25—50(est)--75

Harvard 1460-1520–1580
UPenn. 1460- 1515-1570
Yale. 1470- 1515-1560
Princeton. 1460- 1510–1560
Brown. 1440- 1495- 1550
Dartmouth 1430–1490—1550
Cornell. 1410–1475–1530

Columbia’s does not appear to be available. They had a long history of not publishing it.

Dartmouth ‘s new data set is stronger not weaker; Dartmouth likely remains bottom three in the Ivy League

Cornell was so low. Lower than T25 privates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^columbia’s is not the 2019 set either. Good grief

I am the original poster of the old SAT data. Columbia didn't do a Common Data Set, because of problems breaking out FU/CC/GS. But they did report that year at IPEDS. They indicated 25th of 1440, and a 75th of 1540.

https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/reported-data/190150?year=2019&surveyNumber=12

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the other end of the spectrum, Hopkins saw 50% of their class of 2029 made up of Asian Americans. What gives?

At a guess, high-scoring white kids tend to pick Dartmouth over Hopkins, while high-scoring Asian kids tend to pick Hopkins over Dartmouth.

Also, Dartmouth really focuses on taking kids from the top 10% of their high school class. That might hurt Asian kids, because they tend to be clustered in a small number of high-performing high schools.

Hopkins is famous in taking top 10% of the class. This doesn’t make any sense!

If anything, Hopkins takes a higher percentage of the class that is Top 10% than Dartmouth.

Dp but the obvious difference is that Hopkins and Dartmouth are nothing alike. Dartmouth is essentially a liberal arts college from the 80s. It has heavy Greek life presence (not in a bad way), and its biggest fields include government economics and the like. It has an engineering school, but you usually aren’t going because it’s THE school for engineering. It’s an amazing school (obvious statement), but it doesn’t have the premed/STEM heaviness and anti social personality of JHU that attracts Asian students.

Anti-social personality? Give me a break.
Overall, Hopkins is much stronger than Dartmouth, and not just in STEM. I would give Hopkins the edge in the humanities and social sciences too.

[Anonymous]

I find it shocking that people want their kids to go to Ivy schools but never did a historical view of the requirements to get it. Did people think the CV19 years was when history began.

At our school the counselor told us to look up the pre 2020 data to see what the real thresholds were, and how competitive my kid would be.

I guess we had better information, but the amount of low-effort research done by parents is crazy .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^columbia’s is not the 2019 set either. Good grief

I am the original poster of the old SAT data. Columbia didn't do a Common Data Set, because of problems breaking out FU/CC/GS. But they did report that year at IPEDS. They indicated 25th of 1440, and a 75th of 1540.

https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/reported-data/190150?year=2019&surveyNumber=12

Correction. 25th-1440 to 75th-1570.