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Anonymous wrote:No, I commend you, OP. I think AI should be one part of your planning strategy. Not the only part, of course.

I do this for complex medical issues that I, or my relatives, have had. And then I double-check with my husband, who is an internist, or other doctors who are treating us. ChatGPT has complemented human medical advice very nicely, and my husband was quite impressed.

The only thing I would caution you on is that Chat GPT and other AI models can only give you information they find that's available to them. This means that they will present you with the solutions that are most likely to have been repeated millions of times on the internet. If you want a different strategy than the one most commonly used, for reasons of your own, then AI will not steer you in that direction. It will steer you down the common path. Sometimes that's not what you want.

For example, I am 100% in high tech stocks. Barring Act of God, I am not planning on changing my strategy for retirement, since my aim is to hand down my high-growth, high-risk stock portfolio to my kids. I don't want to redistribute to "safer" investments as I age, not at all. So the common advice wouldn't work for me.

AI cannot do the thinking for you. It's not actually intelligent, it only regurgitates what it has identified as relevant from its database. It can only present you with commonly used options. As long as you remember this, you're all good.

This is a horrible strategy.

Hate to say it, but you should have listened to AI on this one. Sector bets are stupid bets.

PP you replied to. Ha. I've made 20 millions so far with my strategy, poor dear. I don't know why you spew nonsense confidently without knowing anything about investing. I am NOT advising OP or you or anyone else to do what I do... I am just telling OP that AI models cannot think for themselves. They can only spit out what their database contains, which means the more frequently suggested and commonly used financial methods. And for many, that's all they want, so it's fine.

You may have made money in tech, but that's not really how AI works. It's not the equivalent of a Google search.

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Trust yourself OP, cancel it. The money grab is real and is happening all around us, name the sector…healthcare, finance, real estate, energy…keep your hard-earned money for things like this! AI and other info sources are too easy to obtain these days to do otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:AI is a joke when it comes to financial planning. If you don't know your shit and you don't want to invest time in learning about the different aspects of investing, seek out a fee only financial planner.

Disagree. AI is an incredible tool for asset planning. I play around with multiple different assumptions to understand how I'll fare in various scenarios. I do all the other work, too, but AI is so much more efficient than creating my own spreadsheets. Definitely don't need a financial planner, though I still find a tax adviser helpful.

I guess it's ok to assist with particular tasks or to get a good laugh, but nobody who knows anything about investing is relying on AI for much, at least at this point.

It's a tool, and most people under 30, including those in finance, rely on it heavily. If you're not using it, you're inefficient.

That makes sense because the only people who seem to be impressed with chatgpt are people who don't seem to know anything.

There's a lot more AI than ChatGPT out there, and the people who seem impressed by AI are those who are too lazy to learn how to use it well. It's getting better every few months at doing parts of my job and has probably improved my efficiency by at least 25% net of the ways it sometimes slows me down.

I'm sure it depends on the application. It sucks for investing/personal finance type stuff. What is the point if you have to verify the results or use another AI to verify lol. People are getting horrible results that are just unreliable. It's not because they don't know how to use it.

It's 100% accurate with the math. I feed it assumptions, and it does the math. It points out risk factors and other considerations. If I had more than 20 million or less knowledge than I do, I might think a fee-based financial advisor is worthwhile. But I'm not uber-rich, I read a lot, and I have enough discernment to know what is reasonable and what isn't, so AI-supported software is enough. I'm not paying someone to put in the same inputs into AI that I can do myself.

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Anonymous wrote:But I just chatgbt'd our retirement withdrawal strategy.

I gave it a ton of information that won't actually identify us. I continued to adjust with more information, probably several dozen times over the last few days. As we went along, I was fact checking using Boggleheads and other resources.

It looks to me like the results -- annual action plans and summaries, ending asset estimation, year-by-year asset balances maximum sustainable spending calculation, brokerage tax control checklist and worksheet, effective tax rate estimates -- is on track. I caught what I thought were errors, but there were always reasons. I've adjusted it for varying returns and I've asked it to check itself for errors. It cited reasons for its calculations and recommendations.

If this thing is close to right, I am cancelling our appointment with a financial planner. I've been so frustrated with them in the past. They tend to talk to my husband rather than me, even though he knows nothing about our finances. They want to speed through parts that I want broken down and explained. And had I asked them to continue to tweak our plan over and over, they would have been exasperated or it would have cost a fortune.

I would certainly feel better if a human double checked all this, but it really just doesn't seem that hard. And I think our planner would say that they need to start over with the same numbers and assumptions -- so they'd end up charging us the same as if I hadn't done this work.

Go ahead. Let me have it. Or not?

Wait…you’ve been using a Financial Planner in the past when everything you needed to know was on the internet for free?!? Rookie mistake.

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Just bits of possibly superfluous advice.

TIAA wealth managers are likely CFPs with fiduciary responsibility if you ask them to ONLY advise as fiduciary. Otherwise they follow a lower standard and have conflicts of interest.Other staff are not fiduciaries.

So be sure you ask them to act as fiduciary.

Second, TIAA is biased towards annuitization and there are incentives to get you to annuitize and bring in new money

Third, find out about liquidity of TIAA retirement accounts. We were shocked to find DH has over $1m and I have a few $100k in accounts that are mostly employer contributions. The only way to get money is by annuitizing or getting 10 yearly payouts. We would leave money on the table via annuities so are drawing down those accounts first.

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Anonymous wrote:AI is a joke when it comes to financial planning. If you don't know your shit and you don't want to invest time in learning about the different aspects of investing, seek out a fee only financial planner.

Disagree. AI is an incredible tool for asset planning. I play around with multiple different assumptions to understand how I'll fare in various scenarios. I do all the other work, too, but AI is so much more efficient than creating my own spreadsheets. Definitely don't need a financial planner, though I still find a tax adviser helpful.

I guess it's ok to assist with particular tasks or to get a good laugh, but nobody who knows anything about investing is relying on AI for much, at least at this point.

It's a tool, and most people under 30, including those in finance, rely on it heavily. If you're not using it, you're inefficient.

That makes sense because the only people who seem to be impressed with chatgpt are people who don't seem to know anything.

There's a lot more AI than ChatGPT out there, and the people who seem impressed by AI are those who are too lazy to learn how to use it well. It's getting better every few months at doing parts of my job and has probably improved my efficiency by at least 25% net of the ways it sometimes slows me down.

I'm sure it depends on the application. It sucks for investing/personal finance type stuff. What is the point if you have to verify the results or use another AI to verify lol. People are getting horrible results that are just unreliable. It's not because they don't know how to use it.

It's 100% accurate with the math. I feed it assumptions, and it does the math. It points out risk factors and other considerations. If I had more than 20 million or less knowledge than I do, I might think a fee-based financial advisor is worthwhile. But I'm not uber-rich, I read a lot, and I have enough discernment to know what is reasonable and what isn't, so AI-supported software is enough. I'm not paying someone to put in the same inputs into AI that I can do myself.

What math do you need AI to assist you with? The math for financial planning is very simple and there are already a bunch of sites like portfolio visualizer that can help with projections.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I commend you, OP. I think AI should be one part of your planning strategy. Not the only part, of course.

I do this for complex medical issues that I, or my relatives, have had. And then I double-check with my husband, who is an internist, or other doctors who are treating us. ChatGPT has complemented human medical advice very nicely, and my husband was quite impressed.

The only thing I would caution you on is that Chat GPT and other AI models can only give you information they find that's available to them. This means that they will present you with the solutions that are most likely to have been repeated millions of times on the internet. If you want a different strategy than the one most commonly used, for reasons of your own, then AI will not steer you in that direction. It will steer you down the common path. Sometimes that's not what you want.

For example, I am 100% in high tech stocks. Barring Act of God, I am not planning on changing my strategy for retirement, since my aim is to hand down my high-growth, high-risk stock portfolio to my kids. I don't want to redistribute to "safer" investments as I age, not at all. So the common advice wouldn't work for me.

AI cannot do the thinking for you. It's not actually intelligent, it only regurgitates what it has identified as relevant from its database. It can only present you with commonly used options. As long as you remember this, you're all good.

This is a horrible strategy.

Hate to say it, but you should have listened to AI on this one. Sector bets are stupid bets.

PP you replied to. Ha. I've made 20 millions so far with my strategy, poor dear. I don't know why you spew nonsense confidently without knowing anything about investing. I am NOT advising OP or you or anyone else to do what I do... I am just telling OP that AI models cannot think for themselves. They can only spit out what their database contains, which means the more frequently suggested and commonly used financial methods. And for many, that's all they want, so it's fine.

You got lucky and now you have a big ego. You're going to get burned

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Anonymous wrote:AI is a joke when it comes to financial planning. If you don't know your shit and you don't want to invest time in learning about the different aspects of investing, seek out a fee only financial planner.

This. I wouldn't do anything complex without a tax planning strategy. I was just listening to a podcast the other day by a planner who said everyone loves to do backdoor roths, but there's a sweet spot for them tax-wise. Some people over-converted.

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AI is just another tool in your toolbox. We are retired with a very high net worth and we use a couple of advisors, one who works with us on estate planning and who works with our successful adult children. That advisor can see the Big Picture as it relates to our kids and grandkids and I’m not privy to that information but our advisor can guide us in a way that AI can’t. Ultimately investing starting when you are 25 and in a few ETFs and doing it consistently for years increasing it as your income grows is the easiest path to wealth creation.

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Anonymous wrote:AI is just another tool in your toolbox. We are retired with a very high net worth and we use a couple of advisors, one who works with us on estate planning and who works with our successful adult children. That advisor can see the Big Picture as it relates to our kids and grandkids and I’m not privy to that information but our advisor can guide us in a way that AI can’t. Ultimately investing starting when you are 25 and in a few ETFs and doing it consistently for years increasing it as your income grows is the easiest path to wealth creation.

To be fair, any AI could provide advice commensurate with your final recommendation. I did plug your recommendation into an AI, which said you have several good principles in theory, but that it's dramatically oversimplified and misses quite a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I commend you, OP. I think AI should be one part of your planning strategy. Not the only part, of course.

I do this for complex medical issues that I, or my relatives, have had. And then I double-check with my husband, who is an internist, or other doctors who are treating us. ChatGPT has complemented human medical advice very nicely, and my husband was quite impressed.

The only thing I would caution you on is that Chat GPT and other AI models can only give you information they find that's available to them. This means that they will present you with the solutions that are most likely to have been repeated millions of times on the internet. If you want a different strategy than the one most commonly used, for reasons of your own, then AI will not steer you in that direction. It will steer you down the common path. Sometimes that's not what you want.

For example, I am 100% in high tech stocks. Barring Act of God, I am not planning on changing my strategy for retirement, since my aim is to hand down my high-growth, high-risk stock portfolio to my kids. I don't want to redistribute to "safer" investments as I age, not at all. So the common advice wouldn't work for me.

AI cannot do the thinking for you. It's not actually intelligent, it only regurgitates what it has identified as relevant from its database. It can only present you with commonly used options. As long as you remember this, you're all good.

This is a horrible strategy.

Hate to say it, but you should have listened to AI on this one. Sector bets are stupid bets.

PP you replied to. Ha. I've made 20 millions so far with my strategy, poor dear. I don't know why you spew nonsense confidently without knowing anything about investing. I am NOT advising OP or you or anyone else to do what I do... I am just telling OP that AI models cannot think for themselves. They can only spit out what their database contains, which means the more frequently suggested and commonly used financial methods. And for many, that's all they want, so it's fine.

You may have made money in tech, but that's not really how AI works. It's not the equivalent of a Google search.

It’s almost like an upgraded superior Google search. Google was amazing when it was new, now everyone takes it for granted. Same with AI

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Anonymous wrote:But I just chatgbt'd our retirement withdrawal strategy.

I gave it a ton of information that won't actually identify us. I continued to adjust with more information, probably several dozen times over the last few days. As we went along, I was fact checking using Boggleheads and other resources.

It looks to me like the results -- annual action plans and summaries, ending asset estimation, year-by-year asset balances maximum sustainable spending calculation, brokerage tax control checklist and worksheet, effective tax rate estimates -- is on track. I caught what I thought were errors, but there were always reasons. I've adjusted it for varying returns and I've asked it to check itself for errors. It cited reasons for its calculations and recommendations.

If this thing is close to right, I am cancelling our appointment with a financial planner. I've been so frustrated with them in the past. They tend to talk to my husband rather than me, even though he knows nothing about our finances. They want to speed through parts that I want broken down and explained. And had I asked them to continue to tweak our plan over and over, they would have been exasperated or it would have cost a fortune.

I would certainly feel better if a human double checked all this, but it really just doesn't seem that hard. And I think our planner would say that they need to start over with the same numbers and assumptions -- so they'd end up charging us the same as if I hadn't done this work.

Go ahead. Let me have it. Or not?

Why would this be crazy

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I use ChatGPT to run various scenarios, but find it often makes makes mistakes, uses old tax information, retirement amounts, etc. you have to specifically tell it what values years to use. It’s not good with state/county specific tax information. So only good for rough comparisons. I do find it good at recommending fund choices since that is based off long term data that it is often well trained on.

Once I have strategy, I use ChatGPT to give my formulas to cut and paste into a Google sheet. Of, course always double/triple check.

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I think the challenge of using AI is whether you have the expertise to identify when AI is making a mistake. The stakes are super low when I'm using AI to create an infographic for a powerpoint at work. But I certainly wouldn't want to rely on AI and have them be wrong about my retirement withdrawals.

[Anonymous]

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