Should people struggling with mental illness have children?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where do you draw the line? Why stop at mental illness? Should people with genetic defects have children? Who gets to decide what counts?


This is what I don’t get. There are more devastating diseases than anxiety or depression. Unlike many diseases, mental illness can be treatable and people live normal lives. I think a lot of people who had miserable mothers or fathers like to blame it on mental illness when in fact they are just miserable abusive people.


Mental illness is so complex. Consider a married mother in the 1950s who seemed despondent, unmotivated, and uncommunicative. She'd be sent to a doctor, who would diagnose her with something like "hysteria", prescribe barbiturates, and tell her husband that if it doesn't get better, he might consider institutionalization. That lady was just depressed, and somewhat justifiably so, as she had little agency in her life, was probably pushed into marriage and motherhood regardless of her personal desires, and likely not treated very well by her husband. But instead her perfectly understandable mental health issues would be pathologized as psychosis. She *did* have mental illness, but it was treatable. However society had no space for her, so she was ostracized.

My husband had an uncle who was deemed mentally ill by his family and disappeared from their lives entirely when he was about 20 years old, only to resurface when he died. Folks, he was gay. He lived a perfectly normal life as a gay man (though with financial difficulties due to struggles with employment and likely the fact that he had zero support or help from his family of origin), had a partner of multiple decades, owned a home, etc. This man was not mentally ill, he was abused and mistreated by his family and society. I'm sure he had mental health issues as a result of that history, but does he carry some genetic predisposition for mental illness? No.

My own parents both have mental health problems. They also both grew up in abusive homes with alcoholic parents, like a TON of boomers. WWII sent a lot of men home to their families with severe PTSD. Were all these people genetically predisposed for mental illness OR is severe trauma sometimes really freaking hard to overcome, especially when society doesn't understand it and you get limited support or treatment?

Even the people you know with really severe mental health issues like untreated bipolar disorder or narcissistic personality disorder? In many cases they may have had more run of the mill mental health problems combined with abuse, neglect, rejection by their family or church or community. I'm not saying this justifies the negative behaviors such people engage in, but just pointing out that in many cases, mental illness is not some static thing hard coded onto your DNA. Some limited number of people may be born with a condition like schizophrenia, though even that we don't understand well.

People who cannot care for themselves and who dont' know how to care for children shouldn't have them. But the idea that a person should avoid having children because of some history of mental illness in their family is absurd. There would simply be no children. I guarantee your family has some history of mental illness in it. You might not be aware of it, your family might not have called it that, it might have presented in a way that allowed them to call it something else, but I guarantee it's there. Your genes have been through wars, famines, migrations, oppression. I guarantee you someone in your family dealt with it in a dysfunctional way at some point. It's human.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It should be discussed heavily before doing so. If you suffer from depression or anxiety, it’s 10xs harder so the expectation should be that you may struggle parent vs the breezy social media posts we see.


These are all mentally unstable people fool
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No
Both my sisters are mentally ill they both have daughters

One is 16 she was adopted my sister never accepted her and my neice is a mess.

My other sister is borderline personality disorder diagnosed at college age. She has a nine year old that poor child can not do anything unless it is perfect. Ugh

Makes me so sad

My nieces on my husbands side are 300 lbs and counting no one gets that way unless there is something wrong in their house. Again ugh


That’s not true fool
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where do you draw the line? Why stop at mental illness? Should people with genetic defects have children? Who gets to decide what counts?


This is what I don’t get. There are more devastating diseases than anxiety or depression. Unlike many diseases, mental illness can be treatable and people live normal lives. I think a lot of people who had miserable mothers or fathers like to blame it on mental illness when in fact they are just miserable abusive people.


I think you don't understand the pain of severe mental illness and how different it is from run-of-the-mill anxiety and depression.


Depression and anxiety can be very debilitating and impact on one’s ability to parent. They also affect the kids - growing up with an anxious / depressed parent is not fun at all.
Anonymous
Currently struggling? No. Have dealt with anxiety or depression in the past and successfully are managing it? Maybe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Lots of people don't know what their partner has.or what they have. I'm not sure how to find out.
Looking back, I would not have had kids with my two partners.
I have no idea what my ex DH has. Half the family can't hold a job or get out of bed. They said some family trauma. I have no idea.
My second partner may have had ASD that family they hide. They have no friends and relay on each other.
Not a big deal, but one challenge in life and he couldn't cope. My challenge was much, much bigger. I took mine with ease. He took himself out. Who does that to their kid?
Not only that. Both challenges were created by him.
Had I known life is hard for people with MI, I would have stayed away. Never met one growing up as they were locked away.

So in both cases you ignore obvious warning signs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Where do you draw the line? Why stop at mental illness? Should people with genetic defects have children? Who gets to decide what counts?

Why do you think there are genetic counselors and genetic tests available now to every woman wishing to get pregnant? Why do you think there are so many fewer children with downs syndrome?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where do you draw the line? Why stop at mental illness? Should people with genetic defects have children? Who gets to decide what counts?


This is what I don’t get. There are more devastating diseases than anxiety or depression. Unlike many diseases, mental illness can be treatable and people live normal lives. I think a lot of people who had miserable mothers or fathers like to blame it on mental illness when in fact they are just miserable abusive people.


I think you don't understand the pain of severe mental illness and how different it is from run-of-the-mill anxiety and depression.


Depression and anxiety can be very debilitating and impact on one’s ability to parent. They also affect the kids - growing up with an anxious / depressed parent is not fun at all.


You see where I said “run-of-the-mill”? I grew up with a mom with anxiety and OCD that she was aware of and a dad with bipolar that he couldn’t acknowledge was a problem. My mom was a good parent for the most part (she should’ve divorced my dad) and very competent. My dad was and is horrendous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Depression and anxiety are mental illnesses.
The birthrate would plummet if no one with a mental illness had a cild


But it's also a spectrum. My sister in law is pressuring my brother in law with agoraphobia, alcoholism and severe anxiety to have kids. When he expressly states he doesn't want kids. That's not a good idea, full stop.


OMG, your SIL should not have a child with an alcoholic.
Anonymous
Honestly, it depends on so many things. I have seen friends marry people who seemed like they had their mental illness and addiction issues under control only to have it blow up in their faces and ruin their lives. Distant relatives in my family have seemed to pass down schizophrenia multiple times, so I would be very careful. I know someone who carries the gene for ALS and still decided to have children. It’s taking a gamble for sure in all these cases.
Anonymous
Ad the daughter of a schizophrenic mother, most definitely NO...that said, I fell pregnant in my early 20s and have 2 daughters...one seems depressed and the other anxious...it kills me that I brought this upon them... I have since neutered myself so there will be no more.
i wish I could just make the 3 of us not alive...not suicidal, but more hoping that we were never born.
Anonymous
Everyone in the world has struggles. I don't think minor mental illness should be a barrier to parenthood. When you get to schizophrenia or severe bipolar it's different. Those are highly inheritable conditions and cause nothing but trouble for sufferers and the people around them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No


+1
We already have too many damaged people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the world has struggles. I don't think minor mental illness should be a barrier to parenthood. When you get to schizophrenia or severe bipolar it's different. Those are highly inheritable conditions and cause nothing but trouble for sufferers and the people around them.

So is depression and anxiety.
Anonymous
What's up with all the eugenics lite and ableism posts/threads lately?

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