ED0 admitted student meeting….

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

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Anonymous wrote:Uchicago? 1530 seems high for an average admit ED0 there.

Peer schools: Penn Duke JHU average 1550. 1530 is low.

I think the average is lower now that it's test required at those schools. Have any of the schools released data from the currently freshman class of 2029?

Oops. Those schools were all test optional for the class of 2029. Curious to find out what Dartmouth and Harvard's scores are since they went back to test required for class of 2029. Brown released their scores - 1480-1560 for the middle 50%.

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For the Brown Class of 2029 (100% test required for every student last year (so athletes, low scorers included), the average SAT score was approximately 1530 and the average ACT score was 35, making it the first class to require standardized test scores since the Class of 2024. In terms of score ranges, the 25th to 75th percentile for SAT scores was 1520 to 1560, and for ACT, it was 34 to 35.

For the Brown Class of 2028, the middle 50% of admitted students who submitted SAT scores had a range of 34–35 for the ACT composite score, and for SAT scores, they ranged from 760–800 in Math and 740–770 in Evidence-Based Reading and Writing.

So still very high even after going test required -but slightly lowered.

Where did you get this data? I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, Brown was test required for class of 2029 (which is what was implied from my post above...) and on their website it says that the middle 50% is 1480-1560. https://admission.brown.edu/explore/brown-admission-numbers

If you have conflicting data for the class of 2029 from another source, please share

So for Brown, since it went test mandatory, for ADMITTED students, not ENROLLED (big difference obviously), 25% of their freshman class had below a 1480. Most likely for enrolled students it will be 1460ish.

The universe is healing.

Yes, it is healing. I would like to see Dartmouth's numbers.

Is the assumption that Dartmouth’s SAT range is low and too embarrassing to publish?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

How high stat? Public or private school? Are you concerned about Chicago’s finances and need to cut resources?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

PP again. A few more numbers that I remember from the event. The number of early applications (ED0/1 and EA) is 21k, 17 percent higher than last year. The acceptance rate is expected to be below 4 percent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uchicago? 1530 seems high for an average admit ED0 there.

Peer schools: Penn Duke JHU average 1550. 1530 is low.

I think the average is lower now that it's test required at those schools. Have any of the schools released data from the currently freshman class of 2029?

Oops. Those schools were all test optional for the class of 2029. Curious to find out what Dartmouth and Harvard's scores are since they went back to test required for class of 2029. Brown released their scores - 1480-1560 for the middle 50%.

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For the Brown Class of 2029 (100% test required for every student last year (so athletes, low scorers included), the average SAT score was approximately 1530 and the average ACT score was 35, making it the first class to require standardized test scores since the Class of 2024. In terms of score ranges, the 25th to 75th percentile for SAT scores was 1520 to 1560, and for ACT, it was 34 to 35.

For the Brown Class of 2028, the middle 50% of admitted students who submitted SAT scores had a range of 34–35 for the ACT composite score, and for SAT scores, they ranged from 760–800 in Math and 740–770 in Evidence-Based Reading and Writing.

So still very high even after going test required -but slightly lowered.

Where did you get this data? I'm the PP you're responding to, and yes, Brown was test required for class of 2029 (which is what was implied from my post above...) and on their website it says that the middle 50% is 1480-1560. https://admission.brown.edu/explore/brown-admission-numbers

If you have conflicting data for the class of 2029 from another source, please share

So for Brown, since it went test mandatory, for ADMITTED students, not ENROLLED (big difference obviously), 25% of their freshman class had below a 1480. Most likely for enrolled students it will be 1460ish.

The universe is healing.

Does this really mean scores are coming back down to earth (assume that’s what you mean by healing) or is it that Brown admitted so many legacy/donors/athletes their SAT scores declined? I would not call that a healing trend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

The # of applicants makes sense as estimated by the size of summer programs.

Usually foreign students are about 10%-15% of the admits? So about 350-400 domestic admits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

How high stat? Public or private school? Are you concerned about Chicago’s finances and need to cut resources?

1590 SAT/35 ACT, top 10 percent in graduating class, strong (national level) ECs, private school.

There will be cuts in most top institutions, so that’s a more general concern. The biggest impact will be on graduate programs. But UChicago is still the best fit for my kid who has a wide range of interests and needs to be challenged academically to thrive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

1,000 ED0 applicants means the Chicago 2025 summer program was huge and not selective. I don’t know of any selective summer program that accepts more than 100 kids. Some admit as few as 24. 1000 is large than most YMCA summer camps

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

The # of applicants makes sense as estimated by the size of summer programs.

Usually foreign students are about 10%-15% of the admits? So about 350-400 domestic admits.

If (and that’s a big if) the percentage of foreign students is 15 percent, the corresponding number would be 267, not 350

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

1,000 ED0 applicants means the Chicago 2025 summer program was huge and not selective. I don’t know of any selective summer program that accepts more than 100 kids. Some admit as few as 24. 1000 is large than most YMCA summer camps

Are you aware Chicago summer camps are not just one single program? There are many many programs, totalling 1000. They are also expanding the summer programs this year to accomodate more applicants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

1,000 ED0 applicants means the Chicago 2025 summer program was huge and not selective. I don’t know of any selective summer program that accepts more than 100 kids. Some admit as few as 24. 1000 is large than most YMCA summer camps

The enrichment programs had 30-40 kids in them. The acceptance rate for those was 10-20 percent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

How high stat? Public or private school? Are you concerned about Chicago’s finances and need to cut resources?

1590 SAT/35 ACT, top 10 percent in graduating class, strong (national level) ECs, private school.

There will be cuts in most top institutions, so that’s a more general concern. The biggest impact will be on graduate programs. But UChicago is still the best fit for my kid who has a wide range of interests and needs to be challenged academically to thrive.

Your DC is either an outlier at Chicago or over qualified. At our private, that profile has a shot at HYP and will not apply to Chicago

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

The # of applicants makes sense as estimated by the size of summer programs.

Usually foreign students are about 10%-15% of the admits? So about 350-400 domestic admits.

If (and that’s a big if) the percentage of foreign students is 15 percent, the corresponding number would be 267, not 350

So the total admits are about 307-440.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

PP again. A few more numbers that I remember from the event. The number of early applications (ED0/1 and EA) is 21k, 17 percent higher than last year. The acceptance rate is expected to be below 4 percent.

Props to getting this info out there. One thing, though: The difference between ED and EA. EA for most selective schools don't materially differ from their RD round. E.g., G'town UMiami, UVA, USC, Northeastern, Michigan, Villanova, etc. Its ED that people want to know about. But it looks like UChicago conflates the two...which is unfortunate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly to me, 1530 for Chicago ED0 sounds high. Who would commit so early to a school in several financial troubles and give up all other options if they were a highly qualified candidate? Most top students do merit-based free programs summer before senior year.

My high stats kid (and many friends with similar stats who attended the weeklong enrichment program) committed to UChicago through ED0. The average SAT number (1533 to be precise) was provided by Dean Nondorf during the zoom event for accepted students.

Did they mention how many were admitted through ED0? Thank you.

No. They mentioned the number of international students (40) and the total number of ED0 applicants (1000).

The # of applicants makes sense as estimated by the size of summer programs.

Usually foreign students are about 10%-15% of the admits? So about 350-400 domestic admits.

If (and that’s a big if) the percentage of foreign students is 15 percent, the corresponding number would be 267, not 350

So the total admits are about 307-440.

Sigh…please go back and learn to do simple math!