Regional Model: Another BIBO Effort in Disguise

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

1) do you have a link for the slides or data you are looking at?
2) aren’t the new magnets supposed to be smaller than the current ones?
3). If it is 520 for out of bounds kids there would still be more in the magnet that are inbounds. Like 600 kids in the magnet.
4) The Blair magnet is smaller at 440 and RMIB is 475, and the idea for those is fewer classes (eg fewer kids). Those are the largest magnets by far.
5) there are no new resources so how are they supposed to have more magnet spots? I guess they are trying to utilize the school’s existing resources but this seems a stretch.

Don't forget some of the RMIB kids are RM students since JW has some preference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

That seems WAY off then, as Google tells me that 48-72 kids fit on a school bus! Unless that's just because that's the "Year 1" budget, where the programs will only be serving 9th graders?
I think the BoE should probably have the "Year 4" budget before considering this proposal!

Yes, year one budget is just for 9th graders. Also, honestly, if they're only going to offer busing if you get yourself to your local HS on your own really early in the morning, I can't imagine many kids are going to actually take them up on that, so maybe they just assume everyone will drive?

But yeah, we really need to demand clear answers on this.

Yeah, if kids will need to be driven anyway because their regular bus would be too late, then most would probably just drive to the magnet school instead of the home school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

1) do you have a link for the slides or data you are looking at?
2) aren’t the new magnets supposed to be smaller than the current ones?
3). If it is 520 for out of bounds kids there would still be more in the magnet that are inbounds. Like 600 kids in the magnet.
4) The Blair magnet is smaller at 440 and RMIB is 475, and the idea for those is fewer classes (eg fewer kids). Those are the largest magnets by far.
5) there are no new resources so how are they supposed to have more magnet spots? I guess they are trying to utilize the school’s existing resources but this seems a stretch.

Don't forget some of the RMIB kids are RM students since JW has some preference.

The data on the slides talk about non-local seats only, without specifying local seats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

So that means all the neighborhood kids will have to sit around after taking the early bus waiting for the magnet kids to arrive. 30 mins? More? Will teachers work longer days to supervise?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

That seems WAY off then, as Google tells me that 48-72 kids fit on a school bus! Unless that's just because that's the "Year 1" budget, where the programs will only be serving 9th graders?
I think the BoE should probably have the "Year 4" budget before considering this proposal!

I think there is also some magical thinking where they're like "this will decrease busing needs to the home school so it's only one extra!" But is it really going to decrease the buses needed at the home schools that much?

No they can’t assume the neighborhood buses can be canceled because majority of the students are not interested going to another school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

Poor wording on my part - one bus per high school going to each other high school in the region (so Rockville would have three buses total - one bus to RM, one to Wootton, and one to Churchill).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

So that means all the neighborhood kids will have to sit around after taking the early bus waiting for the magnet kids to arrive. 30 mins? More? Will teachers work longer days to supervise?

No, I don’t think there’s an “early bus.” As I understand it, the neighborhood bus routes still get kids to their home schools by school start time. And the magnet bus gets kids to the destination schools by start time. But to catch the magnet bus you need other transportation (walk/city bus/car).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

So that means all the neighborhood kids will have to sit around after taking the early bus waiting for the magnet kids to arrive. 30 mins? More? Will teachers work longer days to supervise?

No, I think the magnet buses will leave the home high schools way before the local buses arrive. Otherwise they'd have to move every bus route in the county like 20-30 minutes earlier or more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

Poor wording on my part - one bus per high school going to each other high school in the region (so Rockville would have three buses total - one bus to RM, one to Wootton, and one to Churchill).

That would be like 12 new buses for the region and they said 4. I think their idea is that Rockville has one bus with 3 stops (one at each of the other schools) and all the kids in the Rockville boundaries going to programs get on the same bus regardless of which school they're going to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

Poor wording on my part - one bus per high school going to each other high school in the region (so Rockville would have three buses total - one bus to RM, one to Wootton, and one to Churchill).

So that’s 12 net buses total per year for one region

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

Poor wording on my part - one bus per high school going to each other high school in the region (so Rockville would have three buses total - one bus to RM, one to Wootton, and one to Churchill).

That would be like 12 new buses for the region and they said 4. I think their idea is that Rockville has one bus with 3 stops (one at each of the other schools) and all the kids in the Rockville boundaries going to programs get on the same bus regardless of which school they're going to.

That’s very long route of busing then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

Poor wording on my part - one bus per high school going to each other high school in the region (so Rockville would have three buses total - one bus to RM, one to Wootton, and one to Churchill).

That would be like 12 new buses for the region and they said 4. I think their idea is that Rockville has one bus with 3 stops (one at each of the other schools) and all the kids in the Rockville boundaries going to programs get on the same bus regardless of which school they're going to.

And you’d need 20 busses for the regions for 5 schools. I don’t think the idea is 1 bus per school pair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

Poor wording on my part - one bus per high school going to each other high school in the region (so Rockville would have three buses total - one bus to RM, one to Wootton, and one to Churchill).

That would be like 12 new buses for the region and they said 4. I think their idea is that Rockville has one bus with 3 stops (one at each of the other schools) and all the kids in the Rockville boundaries going to programs get on the same bus regardless of which school they're going to.

If Rockville sends out 135 students to other schools, it needs more than 1 bus even with multiple stops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

1) do you have a link for the slides or data you are looking at?
2) aren’t the new magnets supposed to be smaller than the current ones?
3). If it is 520 for out of bounds kids there would still be more in the magnet that are inbounds. Like 600 kids in the magnet.
4) The Blair magnet is smaller at 440 and RMIB is 475, and the idea for those is fewer classes (eg fewer kids). Those are the largest magnets by far.
5) there are no new resources so how are they supposed to have more magnet spots? I guess they are trying to utilize the school’s existing resources but this seems a stretch.

Go to slide 88

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DMJHXR4AA9BD/$file/Boundary%20Studies%20Program%20Analysis%20Update%20251016%20PPT%20REV.pdf

Numbers on that slide are for year 1 only. So what happens in year 4 when all 4 years of students participate? What's the budget for that?

It's almost $1mil to operate one region for one year?

OpEx $621,750
Bus $200K
One time bus purchase $740K

That's absurd. Idea is great. We don't have the money for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

1) do you have a link for the slides or data you are looking at?
2) aren’t the new magnets supposed to be smaller than the current ones?
3). If it is 520 for out of bounds kids there would still be more in the magnet that are inbounds. Like 600 kids in the magnet.
4) The Blair magnet is smaller at 440 and RMIB is 475, and the idea for those is fewer classes (eg fewer kids). Those are the largest magnets by far.
5) there are no new resources so how are they supposed to have more magnet spots? I guess they are trying to utilize the school’s existing resources but this seems a stretch.

Go to slide 88

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DMJHXR4AA9BD/$file/Boundary%20Studies%20Program%20Analysis%20Update%20251016%20PPT%20REV.pdf

Numbers on that slide are for year 1 only. So what happens in year 4 when all 4 years of students participate? What's the budget for that?

It's almost $1mil to operate one region for one year?

OpEx $621,750
Bus $200K
One time bus purchase $740K

That's absurd. Idea is great. We don't have the money for it.

The cost is significantly underestimated.