Can we just stop importing dogs from other states?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The dogs are coming from areas where people can't afford vet bills. The DC area is full of wealthy people who can pay for the needed treatment and training.

(Well, maybe now DC is not so full of wealthy people.)

This is what I’m talking about. We are in the DC area and our shelters are full and the shelters are euthanizing dogs. And when I say the shelters are full, I mean other than Pitbulls. There is a wide variety of dog breeds available. But we keep bringing more dogs in just for more dogs to be surrendered.

Our shelters here are mostly full of pitbulls, by a far majority. There are rarely other kinds of dogs available.

Rescues pull the cute sellable dogs out of the shelters and are given priority.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/animalservices/adoption/rescuepartners.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recognize this is an irrational vent and irrational pet peeve.

Why do local “rescue” groups continue to import dogs from other states when the shelters in the local DC area are overflowing, full, and people are currently surrendering their own pets?!

Almost every day I see pleas emergency fosters, dogs that haven’t been adopted out, for emergency help, all for dogs imported from other states.

Sorry, this is just a vent. I am well aware I am in the minority, but it makes me so upset that all of these dogs are in our shelters and people just keep bringing more dogs in.

Because rescues resell the dogs and are a business. They pretend they are rescuing, what ever that means, but they are really selllers pretending to do good. The pleas for fosters is strange when the owners of the rescues should be the ones taking the dogs and caring for them instead of having others do the work and profiting off of them. People need to go to government shelters not rescuses.

Give it a rest. Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole rescue and “rescue” and breeder situations are hopelessly muddled and nobody is articulating a sustainable way for reliably healthy and happy pets to be in suburban homes except the doodle breeders, and that’s why they are successful.

People who say “adopt don’t shop” and claim to also support spay/neuter laws haven’t thought it through.

I have but it's not popular. Mandatory spay/neuter with stiff fines. Breeders need regulation. Pitt breeders are absolutely outlawed until that breed dies out (sorry. It's like mosquitoes. They need to be sterilized and go bye bye from earth).

Then there will still be a long adoption backlog to get through. So both can happen at once.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I foster for a rescue that pulls from local shelters and one in Arkansas that is high kill. Rural shelters are generally high kill and the dogs run out of time quicker. The rescue will bring them here for higher chances at adoption.
It’s sad all around for all the dogs in shelters.
What should be banned outright are puppy mills and breeding for profit.

To me, you’re just propping up backyard and accidental breeders by reducing policy pressure to deal with the consequences. Those states have more unwanted dogs than northern states directly because of public policy.

What is your end game? If you succeed in reducing the number of unwanted dogs below the demand for pets, what do you want to fill that market? I’ve spent so much time watching rescues like yours shipping van fulls of pit mixes north that I no longer think you want anything different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I adopted my first dog from a FL rescue that trucked the dogs up here to an adoption event at a Pet Supplies Plus in Tysons.

I had tried to adopt many dogs here but no one would give me a dog due to various and sundry reasons -- no yard, had never had a dog before, etc., etc., etc. So I was grateful when the rescue that did adopt to me approved my application. Ten years later and my sweet mutt is still living her best life. I've since volunteered in rescue here in NoVA and things are very different now fortunately; the rules are no longer ridiculously strict with this no-yard-no-dog stuff (some dogs need a yard, yes, but others do not -- my dog has done amazingly with 3 walks per day, and that has been better for her than the dogs that are just let out into a yard).

We adopted our second dog a couple of years ago from a big NoVA rescue I was fostering with. She had been rescued from a puppy mill situation in FL and had been brought up here from FL as well. This is pretty common.

They BUY them from puppy mills. In auctions. It’s not like they’re doing commando raids on the Amish.

They also come in and take dogs from backyard breeders/hoarders when animal welfare gets called in, when strays get picked up and no owner can be found, when municipal shelters are full, or when owners just suck.

My current dog was left to his own devices by his first owner, sort of taken in/taken care of by a neighbor, and turned in to a rescue when the neighbor couldn't afford his medical bills. The rescue treated his heartworm and the adoption fee covered less than half of what the vet bills were.

Sure, and there will always be a flow of homeless, viable dogs and I totally support adoption processes for them. But the “rescues” are also full of intentionally bred and then discarded southern puppies, accidentally bred southern puppies that are a direct result of bad public policy, and dogs purchased from the very breeders they claim to despise and then resold as “rescued from a puppy mill.”

[Anonymous]

"Accidentally bred" is a really dumb phrase.

The animals are unspayed and unneutered, and that's what needs to change.

[Anonymous]

I got my dogs in West Virginia. Strays, no adoption involved. They just kind of found me and I kept them. They aren’t pits either, but you have to like hounds and terriers, because all my dogs have been some mix of those types!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I recognize this is an irrational vent and irrational pet peeve.

Why do local “rescue” groups continue to import dogs from other states when the shelters in the local DC area are overflowing, full, and people are currently surrendering their own pets?!

Almost every day I see pleas emergency fosters, dogs that haven’t been adopted out, for emergency help, all for dogs imported from other states.

Sorry, this is just a vent. I am well aware I am in the minority, but it makes me so upset that all of these dogs are in our shelters and people just keep bringing more dogs in.

Now you're xenophobic against DOGS?! Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

Save your hate for the people INTENTIONALLY CREATING DOGS that no one has agreed to care for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes the rescues buy from puppy mills keeping them going. In CA, there are groups that fly dogs over from Korea and other Asian countries. There is no way these groups just happened to find corgis, jindos and other cute dogs roaming the streets. They are using donations for the flights, getting them from mill breeders and selling them to adopters for $800-$1000 a dog. It’s such a scam.

It's fun to make up lies!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I foster for a rescue that pulls from local shelters and one in Arkansas that is high kill. Rural shelters are generally high kill and the dogs run out of time quicker. The rescue will bring them here for higher chances at adoption.
It’s sad all around for all the dogs in shelters.
What should be banned outright are puppy mills and breeding for profit.

To me, you’re just propping up backyard and accidental breeders by reducing policy pressure to deal with the consequences. Those states have more unwanted dogs than northern states directly because of public policy.

What is your end game? If you succeed in reducing the number of unwanted dogs below the demand for pets, what do you want to fill that market? I’ve spent so much time watching rescues like yours shipping van fulls of pit mixes north that I no longer think you want anything different.

People want family friendly dogs, not pitbulls.

Virtually the only dogs available in shelters are pitbull breeds and pitbull mixes.

The only way to get a good breed, unfortunately, is to go through a breeder.

There is a reason why animal shelters are not full of goldens, doodles and beagles and only have unadoptable pit bulls and pitbull mixes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I foster for a rescue that pulls from local shelters and one in Arkansas that is high kill. Rural shelters are generally high kill and the dogs run out of time quicker. The rescue will bring them here for higher chances at adoption.
It’s sad all around for all the dogs in shelters.
What should be banned outright are puppy mills and breeding for profit.

To me, you’re just propping up backyard and accidental breeders by reducing policy pressure to deal with the consequences. Those states have more unwanted dogs than northern states directly because of public policy.

What is your end game? If you succeed in reducing the number of unwanted dogs below the demand for pets, what do you want to fill that market? I’ve spent so much time watching rescues like yours shipping van fulls of pit mixes north that I no longer think you want anything different.

People want family friendly dogs, not pitbulls.

Virtually the only dogs available in shelters are pitbull breeds and pitbull mixes.

The only way to get a good breed, unfortunately, is to go through a breeder.

There is a reason why animal shelters are not full of goldens, doodles and beagles and only have unadoptable pit bulls and pitbull mixes.

because. breed rescues. take them. from shelters.

That's the reason. Still.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the local dogs are half pit bulls and most families don’t want a pit bull.

This. People around here are mostly responsible and spay their dogs and find other homes for them if they can’t care for them. The people that don’t are mostly jerks that have dogs that are not easily adoptable. The easily adoptable dogs are usually from the south where they apparently let perfectly good hounds and retrievers run around and procreate willy nilly. I think it’s weird that we enable that behavior but I don’t think it’s causing good local dogs to languish in shelters up here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I foster for a rescue that pulls from local shelters and one in Arkansas that is high kill. Rural shelters are generally high kill and the dogs run out of time quicker. The rescue will bring them here for higher chances at adoption.
It’s sad all around for all the dogs in shelters.
What should be banned outright are puppy mills and breeding for profit.

To me, you’re just propping up backyard and accidental breeders by reducing policy pressure to deal with the consequences. Those states have more unwanted dogs than northern states directly because of public policy.

What is your end game? If you succeed in reducing the number of unwanted dogs below the demand for pets, what do you want to fill that market? I’ve spent so much time watching rescues like yours shipping van fulls of pit mixes north that I no longer think you want anything different.

People want family friendly dogs, not pitbulls.

Virtually the only dogs available in shelters are pitbull breeds and pitbull mixes.

The only way to get a good breed, unfortunately, is to go through a breeder.

There is a reason why animal shelters are not full of goldens, doodles and beagles and only have unadoptable pit bulls and pitbull mixes.

because. breed rescues. take them. from shelters.

That's the reason. Still.

And that's bad... Why?