Incident at Odessa Shannon MS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She posted on a local mom's page about this and people are trying to help her - with finding a lawyer and filing paperwork. So devastating.

Yes, be sure to find someone who has an expertise in special needs trusts. The last thing anyone needs is for donations to make the family ineligible for Medicaid.

[Anonymous]

The rate of juvenile incarceration in this country has dropped 70%. A total of 2,342 juveniles were held in residential placement facilities in Maryland on a single day in 2000. Of these, 1,769 were held in public facilities and 573 in private facilities. The number last year of incarcerated youth was 418.

If kids were actually getting intensive service and placed in day treatment programs that would be great but they aren't. So do you think that juvenile crime dropped substantially and now there are just almost 2,000 fewer youth offenders? Or is it that youth offenders are no longer incarcerated and instead are immediately released after being arrested and attend neighborhood middle and high schools around the state.

So some really troubled kids are in public schools (the majority of continuation schools have closed) and have realized even if they do something to get arrested they still get released immediately. Then they realized it is actually hard to get suspended and expelled in public schools and instead the focus is on restorative justice.

Pulling this out because it's incredibly important context for the conversation about violence in our schools. I think a lot of us are in favor of dismantling the school to prison pipeline, and in giving youth meaningful chances for rehabilitation.

But that's not what has happened. Instead of rerouting the pipeline away from prison and toward meaningful mental health and behavioral services, we've just started sending those kids right back into public schools after arrest. If they commit a crime too heinous to keep them at a certain school, they are just moved to another school, except the new classmates don't even know the child is dangerous.

[Anonymous]

they said the girl trew a metal thing at him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible for the PE teacher who will have to live with this event for the rest of their life, even if they were completely powerless to stop or prevent it.

It happened under their watch.

Would you keep that same energy if it was a school shooting? Would it be less traumatic for the teacher? Would you blame the teacher for it happening “under their watch?”

Two different things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible for the PE teacher who will have to live with this event for the rest of their life, even if they were completely powerless to stop or prevent it.

It happened under their watch.

Exactly. That's why they will have to live with it. However, as someone with experience in Middle School PE, it's sad to admit that you can do everything right and things can still happen because you often have class sizes of 35-40 kids.

What is your experience in ms pe?

I have taught it

How schools were a few years ago and how schools are now is completely different. You don’t currently teach PE. The pendulum has swung so far to no discipline and only restorative justice that no teacher anymore is going to feel guilty when things happen in their class.

Even if the pe teacher could have prevented this incident which is highly unlikely, the PE teacher would have gotten in big trouble for touching a student to get the student to put down a weapon or would have been the one hit in the head.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible for the PE teacher who will have to live with this event for the rest of their life, even if they were completely powerless to stop or prevent it.

It happened under their watch.

Exactly. That's why they will have to live with it. However, as someone with experience in Middle School PE, it's sad to admit that you can do everything right and things can still happen because you often have class sizes of 35-40 kids.

What is your experience in ms pe?

I have taught it

How schools were a few years ago and how schools are now is completely different. You don’t currently teach PE. The pendulum has swung so far to no discipline and only restorative justice that no teacher anymore is going to feel guilty when things happen in their class.

Even if the pe teacher could have prevented this incident which is highly unlikely, the PE teacher would have gotten in big trouble for touching a student to get the student to put down a weapon or would have been the one hit in the head.

I feel like there is a disconnect with what I said and what you are saying. I originally said, I felt bad for the PE teacher because they will have to live with the grief of knowing this terrible thing happened in a classroom and they likely had no way of preventing it.

Are you trying to tell me that teachers are no longer capable of empathy and grief because of a change in administrative approaches? Thats not a system flaw, thats a basic humanity flaw.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible for the PE teacher who will have to live with this event for the rest of their life, even if they were completely powerless to stop or prevent it.

It happened under their watch.

Exactly. That's why they will have to live with it. However, as someone with experience in Middle School PE, it's sad to admit that you can do everything right and things can still happen because you often have class sizes of 35-40 kids.

What is your experience in ms pe?

I have taught it

How schools were a few years ago and how schools are now is completely different. You don’t currently teach PE. The pendulum has swung so far to no discipline and only restorative justice that no teacher anymore is going to feel guilty when things happen in their class.

Even if the pe teacher could have prevented this incident which is highly unlikely, the PE teacher would have gotten in big trouble for touching a student to get the student to put down a weapon or would have been the one hit in the head.

I feel like there is a disconnect with what I said and what you are saying. I originally said, I felt bad for the PE teacher because they will have to live with the grief of knowing this terrible thing happened in a classroom and they likely had no way of preventing it.

Are you trying to tell me that teachers are no longer capable of empathy and grief because of a change in administrative approaches? Thats not a system flaw, thats a basic humanity flaw.

Just ignore the sociopathic troll.

[Anonymous]

There was a lot here that MCPS has not been transparent about and should be transparent about. Mom will inevitably sue and she will win. I hope her kid recovers.

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The perp needs to be sent to prison. I'd hate for her to be anywhere around my kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The perp needs to be sent to prison. I'd hate for her to be anywhere around my kid.

If she's under 13, she can't be arrested or locked up.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible for the PE teacher who will have to live with this event for the rest of their life, even if they were completely powerless to stop or prevent it.

It happened under their watch.

Exactly. That's why they will have to live with it. However, as someone with experience in Middle School PE, it's sad to admit that you can do everything right and things can still happen because you often have class sizes of 35-40 kids.

What is your experience in ms pe?

I have taught it

How schools were a few years ago and how schools are now is completely different. You don’t currently teach PE. The pendulum has swung so far to no discipline and only restorative justice that no teacher anymore is going to feel guilty when things happen in their class.

Even if the pe teacher could have prevented this incident which is highly unlikely, the PE teacher would have gotten in big trouble for touching a student to get the student to put down a weapon or would have been the one hit in the head.

Stop it now.

This is horrible.
However it is not political. Someone's child is hurt. You weren't there you have no idea what actually occurred.

Keep your moms4liberty BS out of it.

[Anonymous]

No other sources are reporting this incident.

Why is that?

Do not give money to this unless you know this family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No other sources are reporting this incident.

Why is that?

Do not give money to this unless you know this family.

What? Yes they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No other sources are reporting this incident.

Why is that?

Do not give money to this unless you know this family.

I have seen it reported by Fox5, NBC4, and like 3 local media outlets

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The perp needs to be sent to prison. I'd hate for her to be anywhere around my kid.

If she's under 13, she can't be arrested or locked up.

Of course, she can. There are junville facilities. https://djs.maryland.gov/Pages/facilities/Cheltenham-Youth-Detention-Center.aspx.