How can teenagers create such science projects?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We toured an Ivy and I googled our tour guide and his brother who us also in Ivy that he mentioned during the tour.

He said played a lot of sports in his small but very selective predominately Asian tech school.

In at the ripe age of 14 he presents a research that involves deep knowledge of environmental science, designs and builds a data collection device and build a web server to transmit data to, then developed neural networks to analyze the data.

His older brother a year earlier, in his junior year, also presented a similar project that also involved AI and a device to transmit environmental data. He won an ISEF award for this.

Their dad happens to be a CTO in a company that works with telecom hardware.

Please explain to me how is this humanly possible for 14-15 year olds to have time to play sports, get good enough grades and test scores for Ivies, have learn how to build hardware devices, web servers, neural networks and conduct research? How is this real?

In my previous company it took an entire company to build things like that.

I’m just curious. Please, explain this to me.

How is this relevant? You imply something negative about this family, and feel the need to bring up their race. I'm just curious. Please, explain this to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a high school English teacher, so I read a lot of college app essays/materials.

MANY parents purchase projects for their children to help in the college admissions game. Many parents pay for someone to write articles or creative pieces to be published in their child's name. I could name one family whose name you would know/recognize who blatantly purchased an accomplishment that was falsified and presented as the work of their daughter. And many more garden variety amitious upper middle class parents who do the same.

+1.
As a parent, I have seen this happen too. Two parents had their kids ‘write and publish’ books during high school.
One kid used his dad’s company/work to claim as his own start up and got a patent, appeared in news papers etc..
Parents who are hungry for prestige do all sorts of things..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a high school English teacher, so I read a lot of college app essays/materials.

MANY parents purchase projects for their children to help in the college admissions game. Many parents pay for someone to write articles or creative pieces to be published in their child's name. I could name one family whose name you would know/recognize who blatantly purchased an accomplishment that was falsified and presented as the work of their daughter. And many more garden variety amitious upper middle class parents who do the same.

+1.
As a parent, I have seen this happen too. Two parents had their kids ‘write and publish’ books during high school.
One kid used his dad’s company/work to claim as his own start up and got a patent, appeared in news papers etc..
Parents who are hungry for prestige do all sorts of things..

Yes, self-publishing a book on Amazon is really popular. UCLA and Berkeley seem to love this. It is a really easy project to enhance your kid’s resume. You can just buy a few thousand copies. DONE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
In at the ripe age of 14 he presents a research that involves deep knowledge of environmental science, designs and builds a data collection device and build a web server to transmit data to, then developed neural networks to analyze the data.

This is a Ph.D. level project that requires full time Ph.D. students working on the project. Even the kid has the intelligence, there is no way a high school kid would have the time to develop this kind of project.

[Anonymous]

This game needs to be blown up. It's complete bullish*t.

[Anonymous]

https://thecoastnews.com/international-science-fair-winner-from-del-mar-accused-of-fraud/

The game is also played by the above - take a published academic journal article; Take the data, results, and methodology and throw in AI to see if you get the same results. Boom! new project.

I saw some projects where I googled the title and found: Journal of Nature is a good source. Thanks - Prof who dedicated his life since Grad School to making it to the most prestigious journal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://thecoastnews.com/international-science-fair-winner-from-del-mar-accused-of-fraud/

The game is also played by the above - take a published academic journal article; Take the data, results, and methodology and throw in AI to see if you get the same results. Boom! new project.

I saw some projects where I googled the title and found: Journal of Nature is a good source. Thanks - Prof who dedicated his life since Grad School to making it to the most prestigious journal.

The colleges have created this stupid game which encourages cheating and dishonesty. And seriously, if these are the kind of people getting into Ivy and other top schools, do you really want your kids to be around such dishonest people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://thecoastnews.com/international-science-fair-winner-from-del-mar-accused-of-fraud/

The game is also played by the above - take a published academic journal article; Take the data, results, and methodology and throw in AI to see if you get the same results. Boom! new project.

I saw some projects where I googled the title and found: Journal of Nature is a good source. Thanks - Prof who dedicated his life since Grad School to making it to the most prestigious journal.

The colleges have created this stupid game which encourages cheating and dishonesty. And seriously, if these are the kind of people getting into Ivy and other top schools, do you really want your kids to be around such dishonest people?

This is why when you meet Ivy alumni, some will be impressive and others are duds. Ivy is not guaranteed intelligence or success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://thecoastnews.com/international-science-fair-winner-from-del-mar-accused-of-fraud/

The game is also played by the above - take a published academic journal article; Take the data, results, and methodology and throw in AI to see if you get the same results. Boom! new project.

I saw some projects where I googled the title and found: Journal of Nature is a good source. Thanks - Prof who dedicated his life since Grad School to making it to the most prestigious journal.

The colleges have created this stupid game which encourages cheating and dishonesty. And seriously, if these are the kind of people getting into Ivy and other top schools, do you really want your kids to be around such dishonest people?

+1

It all sounds very Trumpian to be honest but I guess that is the world we are living in.

[Anonymous]

I've seen a PhD researcher add their kid's name to a high profile paper when the kid had zero involvement but plans to apply as that niche, low enrollment major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We toured an Ivy and I googled our tour guide and his brother who us also in Ivy that he mentioned during the tour.

He said played a lot of sports in his small but very selective predominately Asian tech school.

In at the ripe age of 14 he presents a research that involves deep knowledge of environmental science, designs and builds a data collection device and build a web server to transmit data to, then developed neural networks to analyze the data.

His older brother a year earlier, in his junior year, also presented a similar project that also involved AI and a device to transmit environmental data. He won an ISEF award for this.

Their dad happens to be a CTO in a company that works with telecom hardware.

Please explain to me how is this humanly possible for 14-15 year olds to have time to play sports, get good enough grades and test scores for Ivies, have learn how to build hardware devices, web servers, neural networks and conduct research? How is this real?

In my previous company it took an entire company to build things like that.

I’m just curious. Please, explain this to me.

kind of creepy to google your tour guide and his brother, just saying.

[Anonymous]

The same way parents start their kids in obscure sports and use $$$ per hour coaches and fly all over the world for camps and tournaments. The kids of top college alums in our NYC private have a set of activities cultivated since elementary school and private tutors to maintain grades. Then their parents make sure they have good internships in college. I know parents paying $200 per hour for math olympiad coaching. It never ends. However, the good news is some bright kids still do well in the college process based on their own efforts and merit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate how cynical people are here. A lot of kids out there are gifted and capable of a lot

Those kids are not being admitted, don’t you get it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We toured an Ivy and I googled our tour guide and his brother who us also in Ivy that he mentioned during the tour.

He said played a lot of sports in his small but very selective predominately Asian tech school.

In at the ripe age of 14 he presents a research that involves deep knowledge of environmental science, designs and builds a data collection device and build a web server to transmit data to, then developed neural networks to analyze the data.

His older brother a year earlier, in his junior year, also presented a similar project that also involved AI and a device to transmit environmental data. He won an ISEF award for this.

Their dad happens to be a CTO in a company that works with telecom hardware.

Please explain to me how is this humanly possible for 14-15 year olds to have time to play sports, get good enough grades and test scores for Ivies, have learn how to build hardware devices, web servers, neural networks and conduct research? How is this real?

In my previous company it took an entire company to build things like that.

I’m just curious. Please, explain this to me.

kind of creepy to google your tour guide and his brother, just saying.

But it wouldn’t be for AOs to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In at the ripe age of 14 he presents a research that involves deep knowledge of environmental science, designs and builds a data collection device and build a web server to transmit data to, then developed neural networks to analyze the data.

This is a Ph.D. level project that requires full time Ph.D. students working on the project. Even the kid has the intelligence, there is no way a high school kid would have the time to develop this kind of project.

Most of the STS Regeneron projects are done like this. Some Chinese and Indian professors are adding their kids names to their research or they get their friends to do it. STS should lose their funding but they want to stay relevant. It's become a scam.

https://www.societyforscience.org/press-release/statement-from-society-for-science/