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It's not clear that these kids are so much more motivated that other TJ students that it can make up for years and years of poor academics. Lower level classes are available in every base school, where these kids can thrive and develop their confidence. |
There are a lot of terrible bad-faith arguments against the modernization of the admissions process, but this is by far one of the most disingenuous and paternalistic. Pretending that you care about students who go to TJ and are in over their heads for their own sake is really gross when what you're really doing is advocating for kids in their academic situation to have no hope of attending. Kids who are drowning go back to their base school. This happened all the time prior to the changes in the admissions process and is genuinely no big deal. They're not returning to their base school "with their tail between their legs" - they're usually going back because it's just not the right fit for them for whatever reason and there isn't any shame in it. You're applying shame to it probably because you would have shame about it if it happened to your kid. Kids who go back get replaced through the froshmore admissions process and those kids generally come in, hit the ground running, and do very well for themselves. They're no worse off for having missed out on their freshman year and you still have a huge chunk of kids who would never have had a shot at TJ in the first place who end up doing very well and improving outcomes for themselves by being in a stronger environment. The Class of 2025 was the most unprepared probably in TJ history, thanks to a combination of a new process that had yet to be refined and an overcorrection that gave too much credit (rather than the appropriate amount) to kids for coming from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. And they still had fantastic and successful TJ careers with excellent college outcomes. |
Lies dont get revealed with just one court case, unfortunately.¹ For years, every school that was later found to use race in admissions defended its closed “holistic” process as fully compliant with the law, until court cases exposed what was really happening behind the scenes. Harvard, for instance, long maintained that race was not a factor in its admissions decisions, but the “lop list” exhibit revealed during litigation showed that one of its four key columns explicitly listed each applicant’s race. Such revelations rarely come from a single lawsuit; it often takes multiple court challenges to uncover the full truth. |
The original question is about the admission process, not the rigor. Stay focused please. |
Don’t assume that just because your student was selected, they’re automatically prepared for the rigor at TJ. The current essay based selection process has been doing a disservice to parents who fail to understand whether their student selection was based on merit or to primarily to support the diversity chart. Since the admissions change, many students have faced the harsh reality of returning to their base schools during or at end of freshman year. |
Keep telling yourself that. It apparently makes you feel better about yourself. |
The DEI nonsense is dead. Merit is back
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It's not "no big deal" - even if they do excellently in grade 10 onwards, the low 9th grade GPA will be an ever present black mark, reminding elite colleges that this is a student who failed to handle the demands of an elite high school. On the other hand, if they had stayed at their local hs, they would have excellent grade all throughout and there would be no evidence that they would have been unable to handle TJ and thus they would be a much more appealing admit to elite colleges. |
| And froshmore admits do get a worse experience - one year less of being in an appropriately challenging environment is self-evidently a bad thing. That's why virtually every froshmore admit was a freshman reject - no one ever thinks "I'd rather go to my local hs all four years than TJ for all four years, but I'd rather go to TJ in 10th onwards than my local HS for all four years". |
I believe that some of the Title 1 MS do not have enough kids to offer geometry in 8th grade. I think the reason that Geometry is not a requirement is because not every MS has enough kids to offer a geometry class. I am listing the SOL numbers from the 8th grade geometry offerings for last year below. These are just the 8th graders and only the total number who took the SOL. there is a 100% pass rate but many of the schools are at a 50% pass advanced rate. There are a good number of schools that probably offer 1 geometry class based on numbers, Hayfield, Herndon, Holmes, Key, Liberty, Poe, Stone, and Whitman all have fewer then 25 students take the geometry SOL. Herndon, Key, Poe, and Stone have 11 or fewer students taking the SOL. Carson has 229 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Cooper has 128 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Franklin has 40 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Frost has 108 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Glasgow has 53 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Hayfield has 18 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Herndon has under 10 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Holmes has 23 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Hughes has 63 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Irving has 69 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Jackson has 85 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Johnson has 91 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Key has under 10 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Kilmer has 120 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Lake Braddock has 96 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Liberty has 17 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Longfellow has 167 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Poe has under 10 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Robinson has 47 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Rocky Run has 110 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Sandburg has 69 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade South County has 53 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Stone has 11 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Thoreau has 77 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Twain has 47 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade Whitman has 21 students take the geometry SOL in 8th grade |
Or they write an amazing essay reflecting how hard they had to work to catch up as a freshman in order to excel in their last three years and demonstrate their dedication to their education and crush it with higher tiered schools. If you don't think that an essay outlining how hard it is to come from an impoverished school, get slapped in the face freshman year, work your butt off and end up with A's at an elite school is not going to lead to lots of acceptance, you are crazy. Especially if the student applies to one of the schools, like all the University of California schools, that looks at grades 10-12 because they know some kids struggle with 9th grade. |
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As a quick follow on, I ran the Algebra 1 in 8th grade SOL scores. I am not going to list all of them but I am posting the pass advanced in Algebra 1 numbers for the following schools:
Hayfield 45 (16.79%) Herndon (46 (18.47%) Holmes 13 (9.22%) Key 18 (9.33%) Liberty 88 (30.99%) Poe 11 (8.21%) Stone 31 (8.76%) Whitman 14 (7.95%) Most other MS have a 25% or higher pass advanced rate with Cooper, Johnson, Lake Braddock, Liberty, Longfellow, and Rocky Run in the 30% passed advanced rate. Longfellow had the highest pass advanced rate last year with 36.51%. |
Now you're a mind reader? It's not bad policy just because it is bad for the institution and for the gifted kids, it's bad policy because it's bad for everyone including the unprepared kids as well. And yes there have always been kids that washed out of TJ and went back to their base school but it was like 5 kids a year not 50. We didn't used to see nearly this many froshmores. What you did to the class of 2025 horrible when you rushed the new process because you didn't think it could get it done if people had time to contemplate and react to it. Ready. Fire. Aim. That sort of rushed half ass method of governing seems similar to what we see from the trump administration And frankly the rationale for the irresponsible behavior is pretty much the same: The only way to implement really bad ideas is quickly and without regard for consequences. |
Well, I think TJ should probably get sued every year. FCPS certainly should get FOIA's pretty regularly about TJ. |
DP The froshmores all seem to come from "the usual suspect" Lots of Indians and lots of east asians. Not a lot of english language learners |