Fourth grade chrome books in school

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Anonymous wrote:When did you learn to become computer literate? I learned in high school. There is no need for kids to be on laptops so early. There is also a correlation between the 1-to-1 laptop program and falling test scores.

Everyone learns better with paper and pencil. Studies show comprehension when reading online is much lower than reading on paper. Online, your eye moves up and down. On paper, it moves left to right so the earlier you start reading online, the harder it is to learn to read on paper. Try learning a new language or statistics online - it is much harder even for adults to retain the information learned online.

1-to-1 devices were heavily pushed by Google and Microsoft lobbyists and have clearly been a failed experiment.

I disagree. We only had Apple IIe computers in my elementary school classroom, and as a result I still struggle to use a computer to this day. I haven't been able to get the hang of starting my computer without a boot disk, and I'm constantly calling IT to ask for help. As a soon-to-be-40-year-old, I'm also really struggling to use the internet. My elementary school didn't offer any instruction in using search engines, since they basically didn't exist at the time, and it's seriously disadvantaged me at work. It's a good thing that I have an assistant who can help me with google searches and downloading pdfs. She's also been wonderful about turning my typewriter-written documents into computer files with the scanner. Haven't figured out how to retrieve them from the computer yet, but I keep hard copies around in case of emergency. I've enrolled my children at a preschool that offers a 5:1 device:student ratio so they don't labor under the same disadvantages I've had to endure in my life, and I've also signed them up for social media at home to increase their computer literacy and prepare them for the 21st century.

And yet… you’ve managed to find DCUM. lol

Yeah… unfortunately I have to rely on my admin assistant for that. She printed out your comment and I dictated a response. If only I’d had a Chromebook in the fourth grade I’d be able to do this for myself…

People seem to have missed your sense of humor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My fourth grader had math homework on two websites. one they do these math drills and then it turns into a game as a reward and then it's impossible to take the computer from him to get off the game. it feels like a trap. [/quote

It is a trap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did you learn to become computer literate? I learned in high school. There is no need for kids to be on laptops so early. There is also a correlation between the 1-to-1 laptop program and falling test scores.

Everyone learns better with paper and pencil. Studies show comprehension when reading online is much lower than reading on paper. Online, your eye moves up and down. On paper, it moves left to right so the earlier you start reading online, the harder it is to learn to read on paper. Try learning a new language or statistics online - it is much harder even for adults to retain the information learned online.

1-to-1 devices were heavily pushed by Google and Microsoft lobbyists and have clearly been a failed experiment.

I disagree. We only had Apple IIe computers in my elementary school classroom, and as a result I still struggle to use a computer to this day. I haven't been able to get the hang of starting my computer without a boot disk, and I'm constantly calling IT to ask for help. As a soon-to-be-40-year-old, I'm also really struggling to use the internet. My elementary school didn't offer any instruction in using search engines, since they basically didn't exist at the time, and it's seriously disadvantaged me at work. It's a good thing that I have an assistant who can help me with google searches and downloading pdfs. She's also been wonderful about turning my typewriter-written documents into computer files with the scanner. Haven't figured out how to retrieve them from the computer yet, but I keep hard copies around in case of emergency. I've enrolled my children at a preschool that offers a 5:1 device:student ratio so they don't labor under the same disadvantages I've had to endure in my life, and I've also signed them up for social media at home to increase their computer literacy and prepare them for the 21st century.

And yet… you’ve managed to find DCUM. lol

Yeah… unfortunately I have to rely on my admin assistant for that. She printed out your comment and I dictated a response. If only I’d had a Chromebook in the fourth grade I’d be able to do this for myself…

People seem to have missed your sense of humor.

lol love it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My fourth grader had math homework on two websites. one they do these math drills and then it turns into a game as a reward and then it's impossible to take the computer from him to get off the game. it feels like a trap. [/quote

It is a trap.

I’d love for mine to be stuck in a math trap. Making math drills fun is a success for your kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My fourth grader had math homework on two websites. one they do these math drills and then it turns into a game as a reward and then it's impossible to take the computer from him to get off the game. it feels like a trap. [/quote

It is a trap.

I’d love for mine to be stuck in a math trap. Making math drills fun is a success for your kid.

My kid often goes to a school approved math game website. It's some sort of race car track. I've never actually seen math on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When did you learn to become computer literate? I learned in high school. There is no need for kids to be on laptops so early. There is also a correlation between the 1-to-1 laptop program and falling test scores.

Everyone learns better with paper and pencil. Studies show comprehension when reading online is much lower than reading on paper. Online, your eye moves up and down. On paper, it moves left to right so the earlier you start reading online, the harder it is to learn to read on paper. Try learning a new language or statistics online - it is much harder even for adults to retain the information learned online.

1-to-1 devices were heavily pushed by Google and Microsoft lobbyists and have clearly been a failed experiment.

I disagree. We only had Apple IIe computers in my elementary school classroom, and as a result I still struggle to use a computer to this day. I haven't been able to get the hang of starting my computer without a boot disk, and I'm constantly calling IT to ask for help. As a soon-to-be-40-year-old, I'm also really struggling to use the internet. My elementary school didn't offer any instruction in using search engines, since they basically didn't exist at the time, and it's seriously disadvantaged me at work. It's a good thing that I have an assistant who can help me with google searches and downloading pdfs. She's also been wonderful about turning my typewriter-written documents into computer files with the scanner. Haven't figured out how to retrieve them from the computer yet, but I keep hard copies around in case of emergency. I've enrolled my children at a preschool that offers a 5:1 device:student ratio so they don't labor under the same disadvantages I've had to endure in my life, and I've also signed them up for social media at home to increase their computer literacy and prepare them for the 21st century.

I hated Apples too, the early ones. But you’ve had plenty of time to become proficient. The computers are much more user friendly than those old ones. Have your assistant write down the steps on how to download PDFs and how to create files, name them, etc.
you’ll get it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

There are actually a lot of benefits to kids learning cursive, far beyond reading old documents. Look it up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

There are actually a lot of benefits to kids learning cursive, far beyond reading old documents. Look it up

+1. And the narrowmindedness of “it’s this way at our school, so it must be this way at yours” is nothing to be proud of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

Yes. This. And UMC families can afford to have a paper encyclopedia where the content is reliable.

I got my kids a complete 1992 Encyclopedia Britannica for $25. Unusually inexpensive price in these times, but sometimes you get lucky. (I am UMC though.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

There are actually a lot of benefits to kids learning cursive, far beyond reading old documents. Look it up

+1. And the narrowmindedness of “it’s this way at our school, so it must be this way at yours” is nothing to be proud of.

When you have a top performing public school, and others have serious complaints about their schools not doing their jobs, the way it’s done in the high test scoring schools might be more helpful.

Learning to write well is important. Learning cursive isn’t. It’s nice to be able to write in cursive fast and flawlessly but it’s not possible for every student. Maybe make it an elective class for children of parents who can’t let it go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

There are actually a lot of benefits to kids learning cursive, far beyond reading old documents. Look it up

+1. And the narrowmindedness of “it’s this way at our school, so it must be this way at yours” is nothing to be proud of.

When you have a top performing public school, and others have serious complaints about their schools not doing their jobs, the way it’s done in the high test scoring schools might be more helpful.

Learning to write well is important. Learning cursive isn’t. It’s nice to be able to write in cursive fast and flawlessly but it’s not possible for every student. Maybe make it an elective class for children of parents who can’t let it go.

The “top performing” school are top performing because of all the enrichment (either directly or indirectly) kids and their parents do outside of school. It isn’t the teachers or curriculum- those things are more or less standardized and follow what the state tells them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

There are actually a lot of benefits to kids learning cursive, far beyond reading old documents. Look it up

+1. And the narrowmindedness of “it’s this way at our school, so it must be this way at yours” is nothing to be proud of.

When you have a top performing public school, and others have serious complaints about their schools not doing their jobs, the way it’s done in the high test scoring schools might be more helpful.

Learning to write well is important. Learning cursive isn’t. It’s nice to be able to write in cursive fast and flawlessly but it’s not possible for every student. Maybe make it an elective class for children of parents who can’t let it go.

The “top performing” school are top performing because of all the enrichment (either directly or indirectly) kids and their parents do outside of school. It isn’t the teachers or curriculum- those things are more or less standardized and follow what the state tells them.

Had kids at two different public elementary schools during the pandemic. One was full of high-scoring AAP kids. The other was middling in terms of test scores, but admittedly by Rich County standards of middling. Before the first day, both schools had us drop by. Middling school provided a giant quarterly packet full of worksheets and manipulatives for the kid to use. High Scoring School gave a planner, which was unused the whole year, and a pin that said "I'm a Good Reader".

Now, as far as test scores, student quality (and the willingness of HSS's parents to drive their kids to Kumon) overwhelmed the schools' contributions, but nevertheless, Middling School did a better job with their raw material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

dude we all learned that , it wasnt anything special. i learned how to type fast on AIM in 1996. The schools lessons didnt do it lol.
they dont need ed tech to be adept. how did the rest of us get adept lol. youre going to have it all around you , you dont need it in school all the time too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think we will look back at this and see it like smoking while pregnant or not using car seats. What were we thinking??? That is if we don't fully turn into Idiocracy by then.

The sad thing is this is just one more way that poor and rich kids will be different. Rich kids at private schools learn cursive and how to read novels. They develop attention spans. Poor kids get ed tech with ads shoved in their faces for 80% of the day.

And rich kids can put on their resumes “Perfect Cursive Handwriting“

My three read books and learned cursive but didn’t have to continue it. I think it was mostly to be able to read it when reading old documents and letters. There are no benefits to writing in cursive. If a student does better with cursive fine, but not necessary.

One read The Outsiders and The Giver in the sixth grade. They are reading a contemporary novel right now but I forget the name. Shakespeare comes in the 8th grade and they put on a Shakespeare play.

I remember two years ago my daughter read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry, The Family Under the Bridge and Holes in the 4th grade.

I think some posters claiming their kids don’t read complete books are trolls. How can they not read complete novels and why wouldn’t they? Mine are in public school and none of that is true.

As for Chromebooks you can block ads. The schools should have done that for the students. Most schools use Chromebooks for some subjects and notebooks for others.

I wouldn’t wait longer than middle school for the students to be using a laptop. The longer they use them the more adept they are. They type faster with fewer errors. They can manage three screens being open to work on an assignment with ease. They know how to use all of the tools. You don’t want the poor kid trying to use her thumbs to type like an iPhone. You want the laptop to be second nature.

There are actually a lot of benefits to kids learning cursive, far beyond reading old documents. Look it up

+1. And the narrowmindedness of “it’s this way at our school, so it must be this way at yours” is nothing to be proud of.

When you have a top performing public school, and others have serious complaints about their schools not doing their jobs, the way it’s done in the high test scoring schools might be more helpful.

Learning to write well is important. Learning cursive isn’t. It’s nice to be able to write in cursive fast and flawlessly but it’s not possible for every student. Maybe make it an elective class for children of parents who can’t let it go.

The “top performing” school are top performing because of all the enrichment (either directly or indirectly) kids and their parents do outside of school. It isn’t the teachers or curriculum- those things are more or less standardized and follow what the state tells them.

They are apparently outperforming the schools that don’t read full books and cheap programs with ads on Chromebooks. That has to be some of it. These communities who only read snippets also have involved parents. I’m sure the teachers are fine but if students aren’t reading complete age appropriate novels by 2nd grade they wouldn’t do as well as schools that do. Same thing with grammar, and it’s not just the Catholics who teach it.