What’s the big fuss about AAP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its about making sure your child isnt in class with chair throwers.

If you think there aren’t any kids throwing chairs in an AAP class, I have some swampland to sell you in Arizona at a great price.

At our school, there is a huge behavioral difference between the AAP and Gened classes.

All the bad boys are in the same class. They absolutely are the chair throwers.

You’re pretty gross. Labeling children as “bad boys” and “chair throwers?” Require more of yourself and have some decency.

Parents of kids with poor behavior and violent tendencies are gross.

+1000

These chair thrower trash parents are something else. The chair doesn't fall far from the chair tree.

[Anonymous]

To address OPs point, I'd say that it just makes home life easier. There are sooo many little problems that are lessened, or just disappear once you segregate out the majority of troublemakers from the class. The teachers are on top of their curriculum, have more time for individual engagement with more children instead of the ones falling behind, and my child isn't being used as an indirect tutor to help the class progress. My needs for home enrichment actually decreased as DC appears to be staying engaged in class and progressing, which wasn't happening in K-2nd. Maybe it's my child's increased maturity (I doubt it), but there are less distractions and social implications to be worried about that makes for less anxiety and fights at home.

I'd say it's 100% not about the stated "advanced" nature, and the benefits are more intrinsic based on the peer group differences. I recognize it's elitist, but it's working for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bite. We are at a fairly well regarded center elementary school. Even then, I estimate about 1/4 of gen ed cant read or do math (by that I mean failed the SOL and you have to miss a lot to fail...). My kid would be completely ignored in those classrooms. There's no honors in elementary. I agree there is less need for the program in middle school due since honors classes are available then.

How would you even know this?

Simple. Last year there were 2 gen ed classes and 2 aap classes in my child's grade. 12.xx% of the grade failed the SOL per recently released statistics. Made the assumption few to none of aap failed. 12% of 50% is 24%, or 1/4.

LOL, this is a poor assumption to make. You would be surprised at how many children in AAP are getting outside tutoring in math because they fail or are close to failing their SOLs once they start doing a grade up. Almost all of them in our school (yes, moms talk).

3rd grade advanced math was not accelerated last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To address OPs point, I'd say that it just makes home life easier. There are sooo many little problems that are lessened, or just disappear once you segregate out the majority of troublemakers from the class. The teachers are on top of their curriculum, have more time for individual engagement with more children instead of the ones falling behind, and my child isn't being used as an indirect tutor to help the class progress. My needs for home enrichment actually decreased as DC appears to be staying engaged in class and progressing, which wasn't happening in K-2nd. Maybe it's my child's increased maturity (I doubt it), but there are less distractions and social implications to be worried about that makes for less anxiety and fights at home.

I'd say it's 100% not about the stated "advanced" nature, and the benefits are more intrinsic based on the peer group differences. I recognize it's elitist, but it's working for us.

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[Anonymous]

Agree Op.


My kids (gen ed) performed just as well or better than the AAP kids they knew from ES.

AAP kids are those with parents who don't want their snowflakes mixed with mainstreamed kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To address OPs point, I'd say that it just makes home life easier. There are sooo many little problems that are lessened, or just disappear once you segregate out the majority of troublemakers from the class. The teachers are on top of their curriculum, have more time for individual engagement with more children instead of the ones falling behind, and my child isn't being used as an indirect tutor to help the class progress. My needs for home enrichment actually decreased as DC appears to be staying engaged in class and progressing, which wasn't happening in K-2nd. Maybe it's my child's increased maturity (I doubt it), but there are less distractions and social implications to be worried about that makes for less anxiety and fights at home.

I'd say it's 100% not about the stated "advanced" nature, and the benefits are more intrinsic based on the peer group differences. I recognize it's elitist, but it's working for us.

+100 the peer group is miles above the gen ed peer group. I had one kid who got into AAP and one who didn’t. The one who didn’t unfortunately was influenced by the lack of academic rigor from gen Ed over the years - doesn’t want to/isn’t used to working hard, doesn’t know how to study for tests, doesn’t seem to care as much about school. Cares more about being popular. We notice that more of the gen Ed girls are all about clothes, make up and nails by 6th grade whereas the AAP girls are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its about making sure your child isnt in class with chair throwers.

If you think there aren’t any kids throwing chairs in an AAP class, I have some swampland to sell you in Arizona at a great price.

At our school, there is a huge behavioral difference between the AAP and Gened classes.

All the bad boys are in the same class. They absolutely are the chair throwers.

You’re pretty gross. Labeling children as “bad boys” and “chair throwers?” Require more of yourself and have some decency.

They’re just sharing the facts. You’re either a chair thrower or not a chair thrower. You’ve either hit/chocked a classmate or haven’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its about making sure your child isnt in class with chair throwers.

If you think there aren’t any kids throwing chairs in an AAP class, I have some swampland to sell you in Arizona at a great price.

At our school, there is a huge behavioral difference between the AAP and Gened classes.

All the bad boys are in the same class. They absolutely are the chair throwers.

You’re pretty gross. Labeling children as “bad boys” and “chair throwers?” Require more of yourself and have some decency.

Parents of kids with poor behavior and violent tendencies are gross.

The parents in the special needs forum would love to have a word with you.

Troll. Violent and special needs aren’t always equal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s not quite true. I have experience with it two elems, and both mix kids from all classes for specials starting in 4th due to instrument choice. And starting in middle school, half of your classes are not core (2 electives, pe, advisory), so it’s much more mixed than elementary school.

I will add that I have a 9th grader, and I don’t think she remembers nor cares who was in her elementary AAP class and who wasn’t.

Anonymous wrote:Kids are friends since Kindergarten but starting in 3rd Grade, 3rd until 9th, they will never again be in the same classroom. One is "seen" as smarter than another. It's horrible. Horrible for relationships. The labeling is particularly horrible, within a family, between siblings.

In 3-6, there is a lot of exclusion and snobbishness and it is really hard on some children's mental health. I'm sure your child contributed to this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bite. We are at a fairly well regarded center elementary school. Even then, I estimate about 1/4 of gen ed cant read or do math (by that I mean failed the SOL and you have to miss a lot to fail...). My kid would be completely ignored in those classrooms. There's no honors in elementary. I agree there is less need for the program in middle school due since honors classes are available then.

How would you even know this?

Simple. Last year there were 2 gen ed classes and 2 aap classes in my child's grade. 12.xx% of the grade failed the SOL per recently released statistics. Made the assumption few to none of aap failed. 12% of 50% is 24%, or 1/4.

LOL, this is a poor assumption to make. You would be surprised at how many children in AAP are getting outside tutoring in math because they fail or are close to failing their SOLs once they start doing a grade up. Almost all of them in our school (yes, moms talk).

3rd grade advanced math was not accelerated last year.

Yes, sweetie, that's why I said "once they start doing a grade up". It's shocking your child is in AAP when you can't read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its about making sure your child isnt in class with chair throwers.

If you think there aren’t any kids throwing chairs in an AAP class, I have some swampland to sell you in Arizona at a great price.

At our school, there is a huge behavioral difference between the AAP and Gened classes.

All the bad boys are in the same class. They absolutely are the chair throwers.

You’re pretty gross. Labeling children as “bad boys” and “chair throwers?” Require more of yourself and have some decency.

Parents of kids with poor behavior and violent tendencies are gross.

The parents in the special needs forum would love to have a word with you.

Troll. Violent and special needs aren’t always equal.

Yes they are. I’m sorry you’re so limited in your cognitive reasoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll bite. We are at a fairly well regarded center elementary school. Even then, I estimate about 1/4 of gen ed cant read or do math (by that I mean failed the SOL and you have to miss a lot to fail...). My kid would be completely ignored in those classrooms. There's no honors in elementary. I agree there is less need for the program in middle school due since honors classes are available then.

How would you even know this?

Simple. Last year there were 2 gen ed classes and 2 aap classes in my child's grade. 12.xx% of the grade failed the SOL per recently released statistics. Made the assumption few to none of aap failed. 12% of 50% is 24%, or 1/4.

LOL, this is a poor assumption to make. You would be surprised at how many children in AAP are getting outside tutoring in math because they fail or are close to failing their SOLs once they start doing a grade up. Almost all of them in our school (yes, moms talk).

3rd grade advanced math was not accelerated last year.

Yes, sweetie, that's why I said "once they start doing a grade up". It's shocking your child is in AAP when you can't read.

It's not a grade up in 4th this year either. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll bite. We are at a fairly well regarded center elementary school. Even then, I estimate about 1/4 of gen ed cant read or do math (by that I mean failed the SOL and you have to miss a lot to fail...). My kid would be completely ignored in those classrooms. There's no honors in elementary. I agree there is less need for the program in middle school due since honors classes are available then.

How would you even know this?

Simple. Last year there were 2 gen ed classes and 2 aap classes in my child's grade. 12.xx% of the grade failed the SOL per recently released statistics. Made the assumption few to none of aap failed. 12% of 50% is 24%, or 1/4.

LOL, this is a poor assumption to make. You would be surprised at how many children in AAP are getting outside tutoring in math because they fail or are close to failing their SOLs once they start doing a grade up. Almost all of them in our school (yes, moms talk).

3rd grade advanced math was not accelerated last year.

I have one kid who just started AAP now and two kids who have gone through AAP.

The peer group is different and while I don’t know all the kids at my child’s high school. The top kids were mostly all AAP kids in middle school. The school is unfortunately split between AAP kids and non AAP kids in middle school. Of course there is some overlap with Gened. Some kids absolutely should have gotten in and didn’t and some got in but shouldn’t have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll bite. We are at a fairly well regarded center elementary school. Even then, I estimate about 1/4 of gen ed cant read or do math (by that I mean failed the SOL and you have to miss a lot to fail...). My kid would be completely ignored in those classrooms. There's no honors in elementary. I agree there is less need for the program in middle school due since honors classes are available then.

How would you even know this?

Simple. Last year there were 2 gen ed classes and 2 aap classes in my child's grade. 12.xx% of the grade failed the SOL per recently released statistics. Made the assumption few to none of aap failed. 12% of 50% is 24%, or 1/4.

LOL, this is a poor assumption to make. You would be surprised at how many children in AAP are getting outside tutoring in math because they fail or are close to failing their SOLs once they start doing a grade up. Almost all of them in our school (yes, moms talk).

3rd grade advanced math was not accelerated last year.

I have one kid who just started AAP now and two kids who have gone through AAP.

The peer group is different and while I don’t know all the kids at my child’s high school. The top kids were mostly all AAP kids in middle school. The school is unfortunately split between AAP kids and non AAP kids in middle school. Of course there is some overlap with Gened. Some kids absolutely should have gotten in and didn’t and some got in but shouldn’t have.

This is the big problem

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To address OPs point, I'd say that it just makes home life easier. There are sooo many little problems that are lessened, or just disappear once you segregate out the majority of troublemakers from the class. The teachers are on top of their curriculum, have more time for individual engagement with more children instead of the ones falling behind, and my child isn't being used as an indirect tutor to help the class progress. My needs for home enrichment actually decreased as DC appears to be staying engaged in class and progressing, which wasn't happening in K-2nd. Maybe it's my child's increased maturity (I doubt it), but there are less distractions and social implications to be worried about that makes for less anxiety and fights at home.

I'd say it's 100% not about the stated "advanced" nature, and the benefits are more intrinsic based on the peer group differences. I recognize it's elitist, but it's working for us.

+100 the peer group is miles above the gen ed peer group. I had one kid who got into AAP and one who didn’t. The one who didn’t unfortunately was influenced by the lack of academic rigor from gen Ed over the years - doesn’t want to/isn’t used to working hard, doesn’t know how to study for tests, doesn’t seem to care as much about school. Cares more about being popular. We notice that more of the gen Ed girls are all about clothes, make up and nails by 6th grade whereas the AAP girls are not.

AAP 6th grade teacher here. My AAP girls are ALL about brand names!!