What calculator for calc bc and multivar?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, do they need a calculator? I'd ask the prof. I didn't use one for those classes.

Because of cheating risks, all my calc professors prohibited the use of calculators.

Are you serious? A graphing calculator is required for AP Calculus BC.

Depends. College board has gone to 100% desmos on the exam. If the teacher is utilizing that in class, a graphing calculator isn't really needed.

Nor really. Calculators are still allowed. Why take the risk when it’s allowed and can help with the exam? This is ridiculously bad advice.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/exam-policies-guidelines/calculator-policies

I'm an AP calc teacher. The kids can use their calculators for basic computations if they want, but all the visual stuff is in desmos now. I'm not wasting time with complex button sequences on a 1992 operating system and graphical display that somehow still costs over $100. So to that end, I don't care what calculator they bring in. I can't speak to multivar, my school doesn't have that.

No, you’re not an AP Calc teacher. This is so typical DCUM, to exaggerate credential to have more credibility, so annoying!

Every AP math class has a graphing calculator usage activity. TI-84 is standard, and you can follow your teacher, or get whatever you’re want, but you’ll have to get familiar with how to do things on your own.

Contrary to what random clueless people are saying, Desmos is not good enough.

Look up resources on YouTube, turkvids is one of them. It’s helpful to know your way around a calculator, especially for time constraint exams like the APs.

Okay. I really am an AP Calc teacher, despite what you want to believe. This is only my third year teaching it, but I’ve taught high school math for two decades. A TI 84+ color edition would be my recommendation if you are going to buy something brand new. The inspire will be overly complicated and in my experience really frustrates kids. If you want something that’s not TI I would do numworks.

My students have a class set of old gray 84s from a million years ago, and use them when I don’t want to deal with laptops for simple calculations. I have no idea what they have at home. Desmos is integrated into AP classroom, is included in the blue book lockdown browser that teachers give tests in, and does everything needed for the AP exam. I went to another APSI this summer, and the presenters were strongly pushing Desmos. Our AP pre-Calc teachers taught with it last year, so kids are coming to AP calculus already knowing how to do everything foundational in it. I’m not going to start over teaching functionality that they already know how to do in a different system.

But really, ask the teacher. It doesn’t matter what I say, or what online parents say. It matters how your kid’s teacher is teaching the class. If they aren’t doing exams through AP classroom you’ll absolutely need something else.

See, this is a mature response. The other poster sounds like a crackpot and needs to calm down. If they have any real criticism of Desmos, then why don't they explain it here in terms everyone can understand.

Are you still sick puppeting pretending you’re a teacher?

Desmos is great for graphing but is nowhere close to the capability of computer algebra system calculators like TI-Nspire. Of course one can do things just fine in Desmos, but also take advantage to the max of allowed technology, especially if aiming for a 5.

I’d take the expertise of AP teachers with a grain of salt. I’ve seen my share of incompetent teachers that heavily rely on rote memorization, or that are simply unfit for teaching an advanced class.

If you’re confused by the menu in TINspire, then either look for a different job as a teacher or you have no business in that class as a student.

OP question was on what calculator to buy for advanced classes like Multivariable and BC. Get the top of the line for a few extra bucks. Use it to get familiar, and spend a day learning useful tips and tricks. It really helps for the calculator allowed questions.

Can you stop being so weird? You've been responding to at least two different posters. I know, because I'm one of them and didn't post the other responses.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, do they need a calculator? I'd ask the prof. I didn't use one for those classes.

Because of cheating risks, all my calc professors prohibited the use of calculators.

Are you serious? A graphing calculator is required for AP Calculus BC.

Depends. College board has gone to 100% desmos on the exam. If the teacher is utilizing that in class, a graphing calculator isn't really needed.

Nor really. Calculators are still allowed. Why take the risk when it’s allowed and can help with the exam? This is ridiculously bad advice.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/exam-policies-guidelines/calculator-policies

I'm an AP calc teacher. The kids can use their calculators for basic computations if they want, but all the visual stuff is in desmos now. I'm not wasting time with complex button sequences on a 1992 operating system and graphical display that somehow still costs over $100. So to that end, I don't care what calculator they bring in. I can't speak to multivar, my school doesn't have that.

No, you’re not an AP Calc teacher. This is so typical DCUM, to exaggerate credential to have more credibility, so annoying!

Every AP math class has a graphing calculator usage activity. TI-84 is standard, and you can follow your teacher, or get whatever you’re want, but you’ll have to get familiar with how to do things on your own.

Contrary to what random clueless people are saying, Desmos is not good enough.

Look up resources on YouTube, turkvids is one of them. It’s helpful to know your way around a calculator, especially for time constraint exams like the APs.

Okay. I really am an AP Calc teacher, despite what you want to believe. This is only my third year teaching it, but I’ve taught high school math for two decades. A TI 84+ color edition would be my recommendation if you are going to buy something brand new. The inspire will be overly complicated and in my experience really frustrates kids. If you want something that’s not TI I would do numworks.

My students have a class set of old gray 84s from a million years ago, and use them when I don’t want to deal with laptops for simple calculations. I have no idea what they have at home. Desmos is integrated into AP classroom, is included in the blue book lockdown browser that teachers give tests in, and does everything needed for the AP exam. I went to another APSI this summer, and the presenters were strongly pushing Desmos. Our AP pre-Calc teachers taught with it last year, so kids are coming to AP calculus already knowing how to do everything foundational in it. I’m not going to start over teaching functionality that they already know how to do in a different system.

But really, ask the teacher. It doesn’t matter what I say, or what online parents say. It matters how your kid’s teacher is teaching the class. If they aren’t doing exams through AP classroom you’ll absolutely need something else.

See, this is a mature response. The other poster sounds like a crackpot and needs to calm down. If they have any real criticism of Desmos, then why don't they explain it here in terms everyone can understand.

Are you still sick puppeting pretending you’re a teacher?

Desmos is great for graphing but is nowhere close to the capability of computer algebra system calculators like TI-Nspire. Of course one can do things just fine in Desmos, but also take advantage to the max of allowed technology, especially if aiming for a 5.

I’d take the expertise of AP teachers with a grain of salt. I’ve seen my share of incompetent teachers that heavily rely on rote memorization, or that are simply unfit for teaching an advanced class.

If you’re confused by the menu in TINspire, then either look for a different job as a teacher or you have no business in that class as a student.

OP question was on what calculator to buy for advanced classes like Multivariable and BC. Get the top of the line for a few extra bucks. Use it to get familiar, and spend a day learning useful tips and tricks. It really helps for the calculator allowed questions.

Can you stop being so weird? You've been responding to at least two different posters. I know, because I'm one of them and didn't post the other responses.

Then stop pretending to be something you’re not.

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Anonymous wrote:TI-84 is essentially a thirty year old technology $9 calculator, but due to TI monopoly, students everywhere are required to buy it and pay ten times, with the $100 price. A $0.99 app on any smart phone incorporates all that functionality and much more, without any ads.

But now, almost all standardized tests from college board, digital math courseware, and schools/colleges are gradually adopting Desmos, so TI, Casio, etc, days in student market are numbered.

People are not trying to save $10 bucks here. They are looking for a calculator suggestion, which should weigh some consideration on features, what’s used in class and available documentation on how to use it.

TI brand is very popular because it’s the default for many high schools and there are a bazillion tutorial videos on the internet.

I don’t know anyone using Casio calculators.

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Anonymous wrote:TI-84 is essentially a thirty year old technology $9 calculator, but due to TI monopoly, students everywhere are required to buy it and pay ten times, with the $100 price. A $0.99 app on any smart phone incorporates all that functionality and much more, without any ads.

But now, almost all standardized tests from college board, digital math courseware, and schools/colleges are gradually adopting Desmos, so TI, Casio, etc, days in student market are numbered.

People are not trying to save $10 bucks here. They are looking for a calculator suggestion, which should weigh some consideration on features, what’s used in class and available documentation on how to use it.

TI brand is very popular because it’s the default for many high schools and there are a bazillion tutorial videos on the internet.

I don’t know anyone using Casio calculators.

People? rich people may not see the difference between $10 and $100, but many others do. Nearly every AP exam now allows and provides online access to Desmos within the digital test. Sorry, TI graphing calculators are headed to the grave.

"Desmos has been cutting into Texas Instruments' (TI) business, especially in the educational graphing calculator market. While TI has historically held a near-monopoly due to long-standing relationships with schools and standardized testing organizations, Desmos' free, web-based tools offer a more modern, accessible, and often more powerful alternative"

https://thehustle.co/graphing-calculators-expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, do they need a calculator? I'd ask the prof. I didn't use one for those classes.

Because of cheating risks, all my calc professors prohibited the use of calculators.

Are you serious? A graphing calculator is required for AP Calculus BC.

Depends. College board has gone to 100% desmos on the exam. If the teacher is utilizing that in class, a graphing calculator isn't really needed.

Nor really. Calculators are still allowed. Why take the risk when it’s allowed and can help with the exam? This is ridiculously bad advice.

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/exam-policies-guidelines/calculator-policies

I'm an AP calc teacher. The kids can use their calculators for basic computations if they want, but all the visual stuff is in desmos now. I'm not wasting time with complex button sequences on a 1992 operating system and graphical display that somehow still costs over $100. So to that end, I don't care what calculator they bring in. I can't speak to multivar, my school doesn't have that.

No, you’re not an AP Calc teacher. This is so typical DCUM, to exaggerate credential to have more credibility, so annoying!

Every AP math class has a graphing calculator usage activity. TI-84 is standard, and you can follow your teacher, or get whatever you’re want, but you’ll have to get familiar with how to do things on your own.

Contrary to what random clueless people are saying, Desmos is not good enough.

Look up resources on YouTube, turkvids is one of them. It’s helpful to know your way around a calculator, especially for time constraint exams like the APs.

Okay. I really am an AP Calc teacher, despite what you want to believe. This is only my third year teaching it, but I’ve taught high school math for two decades. A TI 84+ color edition would be my recommendation if you are going to buy something brand new. The inspire will be overly complicated and in my experience really frustrates kids. If you want something that’s not TI I would do numworks.

My students have a class set of old gray 84s from a million years ago, and use them when I don’t want to deal with laptops for simple calculations. I have no idea what they have at home. Desmos is integrated into AP classroom, is included in the blue book lockdown browser that teachers give tests in, and does everything needed for the AP exam. I went to another APSI this summer, and the presenters were strongly pushing Desmos. Our AP pre-Calc teachers taught with it last year, so kids are coming to AP calculus already knowing how to do everything foundational in it. I’m not going to start over teaching functionality that they already know how to do in a different system.

But really, ask the teacher. It doesn’t matter what I say, or what online parents say. It matters how your kid’s teacher is teaching the class. If they aren’t doing exams through AP classroom you’ll absolutely need something else.

See, this is a mature response. The other poster sounds like a crackpot and needs to calm down. If they have any real criticism of Desmos, then why don't they explain it here in terms everyone can understand.

Are you still sick puppeting pretending you’re a teacher?

Desmos is great for graphing but is nowhere close to the capability of computer algebra system calculators like TI-Nspire. Of course one can do things just fine in Desmos, but also take advantage to the max of allowed technology, especially if aiming for a 5.

I’d take the expertise of AP teachers with a grain of salt. I’ve seen my share of incompetent teachers that heavily rely on rote memorization, or that are simply unfit for teaching an advanced class.

If you’re confused by the menu in TINspire, then either look for a different job as a teacher or you have no business in that class as a student.

OP question was on what calculator to buy for advanced classes like Multivariable and BC. Get the top of the line for a few extra bucks. Use it to get familiar, and spend a day learning useful tips and tricks. It really helps for the calculator allowed questions.

Can you stop being so weird? You've been responding to at least two different posters. I know, because I'm one of them and didn't post the other responses.

Then stop pretending to be something you’re not.

PP you replied to. I'm not the math teacher, but I'm sure the math teacher isn't lying. Good Lord. Go to bed already. You're insane.

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Anonymous wrote:TI-84 is essentially a thirty year old technology $9 calculator, but due to TI monopoly, students everywhere are required to buy it and pay ten times, with the $100 price. A $0.99 app on any smart phone incorporates all that functionality and much more, without any ads.

But now, almost all standardized tests from college board, digital math courseware, and schools/colleges are gradually adopting Desmos, so TI, Casio, etc, days in student market are numbered.

People are not trying to save $10 bucks here. They are looking for a calculator suggestion, which should weigh some consideration on features, what’s used in class and available documentation on how to use it.

TI brand is very popular because it’s the default for many high schools and there are a bazillion tutorial videos on the internet.

I don’t know anyone using Casio calculators.

People? rich people may not see the difference between $10 and $100, but many others do. Nearly every AP exam now allows and provides online access to Desmos within the digital test. Sorry, TI graphing calculators are headed to the grave.

"Desmos has been cutting into Texas Instruments' (TI) business, especially in the educational graphing calculator market. While TI has historically held a near-monopoly due to long-standing relationships with schools and standardized testing organizations, Desmos' free, web-based tools offer a more modern, accessible, and often more powerful alternative"

https://thehustle.co/graphing-calculators-expensive

So what do you propose the OP does, wait for the graphing calculators to become obsolete, or worse buy a Casio lol?

Calculators are tools, use the ones that are the most helpful. You want to rely on Desmos alone at the AP exam? Go for it but it’s quite dumb when there are calculators out here that will make life much easier. Whatever career, people will use technology too, unlikely they’ll do integrals by hand.

Want to save $10, skip the potato chips at lunch, or just borrow the TI from the school library.

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DC has TI-84 plus CE, which they use for paper based quizzes. Classroom carries a bunch of TI-84 loaners. For homework practice and blue book based quizzes, it's all Desmos, which DC also prefers and is much easier to use and feature rich.

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This year College Board banned calculators with Computer Algebra System (CAS) from SAT to “ensure fairness”. Not from AP exams though. Now it’s clear which ones give an unfair advantage, ie everything with CAS is the model name and anything starting with TI-89 and TI-92.

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Our school asked us to buy Ti-84 so that’s what I bought

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Anonymous wrote:Our school asked us to buy Ti-84 so that’s what I bought

unfortunate effect of TI's graphing calculator monopoly, but with Desmos gaining traction, it won’t last much longer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TI-84 is essentially a thirty year old technology $9 calculator, but due to TI monopoly, students everywhere are required to buy it and pay ten times, with the $100 price. A $0.99 app on any smart phone incorporates all that functionality and much more, without any ads.

But now, almost all standardized tests from college board, digital math courseware, and schools/colleges are gradually adopting Desmos, so TI, Casio, etc, days in student market are numbered.

People are not trying to save $10 bucks here. They are looking for a calculator suggestion, which should weigh some consideration on features, what’s used in class and available documentation on how to use it.

TI brand is very popular because it’s the default for many high schools and there are a bazillion tutorial videos on the internet.

I don’t know anyone using Casio calculators.

People? rich people may not see the difference between $10 and $100, but many others do. Nearly every AP exam now allows and provides online access to Desmos within the digital test. Sorry, TI graphing calculators are headed to the grave.

"Desmos has been cutting into Texas Instruments' (TI) business, especially in the educational graphing calculator market. While TI has historically held a near-monopoly due to long-standing relationships with schools and standardized testing organizations, Desmos' free, web-based tools offer a more modern, accessible, and often more powerful alternative"

https://thehustle.co/graphing-calculators-expensive

So what do you propose the OP does, wait for the graphing calculators to become obsolete, or worse buy a Casio lol?

Calculators are tools, use the ones that are the most helpful. You want to rely on Desmos alone at the AP exam? Go for it but it’s quite dumb when there are calculators out here that will make life much easier. Whatever career, people will use technology too, unlikely they’ll do integrals by hand.

Want to save $10, skip the potato chips at lunch, or just borrow the TI from the school library.

there are many families who can use $10 for bread and milk. It is ridiculous to tell their student to buy a $100 TI calculator just to get through a public school calculus class, all because TI marketing has succeeded in having the lesson plans and teacher training to be built around their product.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our school asked us to buy Ti-84 so that’s what I bought

unfortunate effect of TI's graphing calculator monopoly, but with Desmos gaining traction, it won’t last much longer

Desmos only works if connected to internet, a non starter for secure exams. The alternative is fenced off Desmos that require a technological solution, not easily implemented.

Desmos is great for graphing, but sucks for very basic defining, manipulating and programming variables and functions. That’s critical for high level problem solving, and success at the AP exams.

Graphing calculators won’t go away soon in the educational market. For speed during an exam a physical button calculator is much faster, I’d rather have that instead of clicking through menus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TI-84 is essentially a thirty year old technology $9 calculator, but due to TI monopoly, students everywhere are required to buy it and pay ten times, with the $100 price. A $0.99 app on any smart phone incorporates all that functionality and much more, without any ads.

But now, almost all standardized tests from college board, digital math courseware, and schools/colleges are gradually adopting Desmos, so TI, Casio, etc, days in student market are numbered.

People are not trying to save $10 bucks here. They are looking for a calculator suggestion, which should weigh some consideration on features, what’s used in class and available documentation on how to use it.

TI brand is very popular because it’s the default for many high schools and there are a bazillion tutorial videos on the internet.

I don’t know anyone using Casio calculators.

People? rich people may not see the difference between $10 and $100, but many others do. Nearly every AP exam now allows and provides online access to Desmos within the digital test. Sorry, TI graphing calculators are headed to the grave.

"Desmos has been cutting into Texas Instruments' (TI) business, especially in the educational graphing calculator market. While TI has historically held a near-monopoly due to long-standing relationships with schools and standardized testing organizations, Desmos' free, web-based tools offer a more modern, accessible, and often more powerful alternative"

https://thehustle.co/graphing-calculators-expensive

So what do you propose the OP does, wait for the graphing calculators to become obsolete, or worse buy a Casio lol?

Calculators are tools, use the ones that are the most helpful. You want to rely on Desmos alone at the AP exam? Go for it but it’s quite dumb when there are calculators out here that will make life much easier. Whatever career, people will use technology too, unlikely they’ll do integrals by hand.

Want to save $10, skip the potato chips at lunch, or just borrow the TI from the school library.

there are many families who can use $10 for bread and milk. It is ridiculous to tell their student to buy a $100 TI calculator just to get through a public school calculus class, all because TI marketing has succeeded in having the lesson plans and teacher training to be built around their product.

Do you also object to buying your kid books because “milk and bread”? Sure, it’s expensive for what you get, but you can figure that out between buying used, checking one from the school library, or sharing with a friend.

Watch “Hillbilly Elegy” movie, grandma bought a graphing calculator and still had money for cigarettes, and we’re talking abject poverty. I’m sure you can find a way to make it work.

Why are you so worked up about graphing calculators? Just because somebody said your suggestion to rely exclusively on Desmos for the AP exam is dumb, which it is, it doesn’t mean graphing calculators are evil.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our school asked us to buy Ti-84 so that’s what I bought

unfortunate effect of TI's graphing calculator monopoly, but with Desmos gaining traction, it won’t last much longer

Desmos only works if connected to internet, a non starter for secure exams. The alternative is fenced off Desmos that require a technological solution, not easily implemented.

Desmos is great for graphing, but sucks for very basic defining, manipulating and programming variables and functions. That’s critical for high level problem solving, and success at the AP exams.

Graphing calculators won’t go away soon in the educational market. For speed during an exam a physical button calculator is much faster, I’d rather have that instead of clicking through menus.

It seems you're unaware that all SAT exams across the U.S. are now digital, and the same goes for AP exams via Bluebook—both of which require a stable internet connection. No internet, no exam. Desmos doesn’t need anything more than that same connection.

A basic Desmos tutorial would show you how to define variables and use a wide range of custom programming functions that the TI calculators simply can't compete with. TI is built on 30-year-old tech, while Desmos is a modern, cloud-based platform that's constantly evolving—there’s really no comparison.

It's a slow death but TI calcs will phase out of schools. But you can save yours and cherish it.

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It seems you're unaware that all SAT exams across the U.S. are now digital, and the same goes for AP exams via Bluebook—both of which require a stable internet connection. No internet, no exam. Desmos doesn’t need anything more than that same connection.

I was going to say the exact same thing. My son used demos for both the AB BC Cal exam (in addition to a TI-84 plus) and the SAT.