Will Restrictions on International Students Result in US Students Being Denied Study Abroad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are just plain cruel. Millions of American students won't be able to study in China. Just wrong.

Actually, my DH minored in Chinese and studied in China in the 1990s. I have a Russian majors who has had to try to study in ethnic Russian enclaves in Eastern Europe because Russia and the Ukraine are out. It’s been a problem for language acquisition. So do t discount study in China. You can’t defeat China if you don’t have security clearable America citizens who speak Chinese.

And also, ALL student visa processing is currently suspended. Yep— even the place your kid will want to study. Kinda hope it starts up soon or there are going to be some American kids who thought they were headed to McGill or St. Andrews taking a gap year.

Any idea how many American college students now are in China?

11,000 in 2019
800 this year

Why this decrease isn’t a good thing (short answer: know your enemy. And their language and culture)

https://www.voanews.com/a/decline-of-american-students-in-china-could-mean-fewer-experts/7668461.html

My DC is majoring in Chinese (along with another major) and spent a semester in China in 2024. It was an amazing experience. I have been told that there have been no issues so far for US students in China, but it's not hard to imagine some kind of tit-for-tat response from Beijing especially as Chinese students here in the US are harassed or deported. And there is zero upside to shrinking the number of Americans who have on the ground experience with our foremost competitor.

[Anonymous]

A semester or year abroad academic exchange program is very different from matriculation as a student in a foreign country earning a degree from that foreign school.
In the former case, the student is earning the degree from a US school that the student attends and that achool is hosting the exchange program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are just plain cruel. Millions of American students won't be able to study in China. Just wrong.

Actually, my DH minored in Chinese and studied in China in the 1990s. I have a Russian majors who has had to try to study in ethnic Russian enclaves in Eastern Europe because Russia and the Ukraine are out. It’s been a problem for language acquisition. So do t discount study in China. You can’t defeat China if you don’t have security clearable America citizens who speak Chinese.

And also, ALL student visa processing is currently suspended. Yep— even the place your kid will want to study. Kinda hope it starts up soon or there are going to be some American kids who thought they were headed to McGill or St. Andrews taking a gap year.

Any idea how many American college students now are in China?

11,000 in 2019
800 this year

Why this decrease isn’t a good thing (short answer: know your enemy. And their language and culture)

https://www.voanews.com/a/decline-of-american-students-in-china-could-mean-fewer-experts/7668461.html

Interesting how Americans simply aren’t much interested in Chinese college. Living under the thumb of Communist control isn’t exciting to most Americans.

Maybe the same reason most American students aren't interested in studying in Germany- language barrier, unfamiliarity with the culture, etc.
Even without the language barrier, say like Ireland, Americans aren't applying there in droves.
Let's face it, most average Americans are insular.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think countries like the UK and Ireland won’t stop American students from applying to their courses. Firstly, it’s not really a battle worth fighting given the pretty small numbers involved. Secondly, there are solid reasons for wanting American students – their money, soft power, etc. That hasn’t changed.

On the other hand, it might get a lot harder for American students applying to overseas universities because the competition will be tougher. The really bright international kids who would have applied to the likes of Harvard will probably set their sights on the best universities in other countries.

Study abroad is a different matter. To the extent that it is reciprocal, then I guess it could be impacted.

You think UK citizens would stand for American kids taking seats at top British colleges when they have British kids who got two years through Harvard and were asked to leave. Canada friggin hates us right now. You think if Canadian students are blocked, US citizens get to take up seats at McGill and Toronto? It’s a matter of national pride. Just like pushing back on tariffs was. And American kids aren’t the only ones with money. The Chinese whiz kids we locked out will go take our seats. And soft power? If TACO is hammering tariffs and blocking their students and randomly holding people and searching phones at the border, what good is soft power? Trump doesn’t respect soft power.

I don’t think you have paid attention to how some of these countries have reacted to the much larger issue of tariffs. That is exponentially more important to them than international students. Did you notice how the UK and Australia didn’t retaliate?

Their embassies are probably very busy working behind the scenes right now trying to secure a good outcome regarding getting visas for their students. They can probably see that Trump‘s actions are largely aimed at Chinese and Indian students and theirs are collateral damage. They also stand to gain in terms of getting some of the best international students applying to their own universities and possibly raising international tuition fees due to the increased demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think countries like the UK and Ireland won’t stop American students from applying to their courses. Firstly, it’s not really a battle worth fighting given the pretty small numbers involved. Secondly, there are solid reasons for wanting American students – their money, soft power, etc. That hasn’t changed.

On the other hand, it might get a lot harder for American students applying to overseas universities because the competition will be tougher. The really bright international kids who would have applied to the likes of Harvard will probably set their sights on the best universities in other countries.

Study abroad is a different matter. To the extent that it is reciprocal, then I guess it could be impacted.

You think UK citizens would stand for American kids taking seats at top British colleges when they have British kids who got two years through Harvard and were asked to leave. Canada friggin hates us right now. You think if Canadian students are blocked, US citizens get to take up seats at McGill and Toronto? It’s a matter of national pride. Just like pushing back on tariffs was. And American kids aren’t the only ones with money. The Chinese whiz kids we locked out will go take our seats. And soft power? If TACO is hammering tariffs and blocking their students and randomly holding people and searching phones at the border, what good is soft power? Trump doesn’t respect soft power.

The vast majority of kids from Europe who study in the U.S. are NOT attending Harvard or other Ivy League/elite institutions. They are all over the place, including state flagship universities, and I don't see this Administration trying to deny visas to, say, UK students applying to the University of Georgia/Indiana University/etc. which love foreign student full pay tuition. So unless your kid is set on applying to Oxbridge or similar, there is no good reason to think there will be new barriers in their way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think countries like the UK and Ireland won’t stop American students from applying to their courses. Firstly, it’s not really a battle worth fighting given the pretty small numbers involved. Secondly, there are solid reasons for wanting American students – their money, soft power, etc. That hasn’t changed.

On the other hand, it might get a lot harder for American students applying to overseas universities because the competition will be tougher. The really bright international kids who would have applied to the likes of Harvard will probably set their sights on the best universities in other countries.

Study abroad is a different matter. To the extent that it is reciprocal, then I guess it could be impacted.

You think UK citizens would stand for American kids taking seats at top British colleges when they have British kids who got two years through Harvard and were asked to leave. Canada friggin hates us right now. You think if Canadian students are blocked, US citizens get to take up seats at McGill and Toronto? It’s a matter of national pride. Just like pushing back on tariffs was. And American kids aren’t the only ones with money. The Chinese whiz kids we locked out will go take our seats. And soft power? If TACO is hammering tariffs and blocking their students and randomly holding people and searching phones at the border, what good is soft power? Trump doesn’t respect soft power.

The vast majority of kids from Europe who study in the U.S. are NOT attending Harvard or other Ivy League/elite institutions. They are all over the place, including state flagship universities, and I don't see this Administration trying to deny visas to, say, UK students applying to the University of Georgia/Indiana University/etc. which love foreign student full pay tuition. So unless your kid is set on applying to Oxbridge or similar, there is no good reason to think there will be new barriers in their way.

NP. Just pointing out that the current visa appointment pause applies to all internationals enrolling at all US colleges. It is supposedly temporary - maybe it will be lifted very soon - in the meantime, the pause is system-wide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think countries like the UK and Ireland won’t stop American students from applying to their courses. Firstly, it’s not really a battle worth fighting given the pretty small numbers involved. Secondly, there are solid reasons for wanting American students – their money, soft power, etc. That hasn’t changed.

On the other hand, it might get a lot harder for American students applying to overseas universities because the competition will be tougher. The really bright international kids who would have applied to the likes of Harvard will probably set their sights on the best universities in other countries.

Study abroad is a different matter. To the extent that it is reciprocal, then I guess it could be impacted.

You think UK citizens would stand for American kids taking seats at top British colleges when they have British kids who got two years through Harvard and were asked to leave. Canada friggin hates us right now. You think if Canadian students are blocked, US citizens get to take up seats at McGill and Toronto? It’s a matter of national pride. Just like pushing back on tariffs was. And American kids aren’t the only ones with money. The Chinese whiz kids we locked out will go take our seats. And soft power? If TACO is hammering tariffs and blocking their students and randomly holding people and searching phones at the border, what good is soft power? Trump doesn’t respect soft power.

Canada is probably a different story as the student numbers involved are probably a lot higher plus there is the frustration of having become Trump’s whipping boy. But look at the website for the main British papers today. I don’t see mention of this issue anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many American college kids does China have? Zero?

Eleven-thousand in 2019, down to eight-hundred now.
https://www.voanews.com/a/decline-of-american-students-in-china-could-mean-fewer-experts/7668461.html

[Anonymous]

I awaiting for the first European school to say that they don't want Americans. It will happen. One does it and they all follow

[Anonymous]

Op here. That’s my fear. Why should they accept US students if we are denying them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A semester or year abroad academic exchange program is very different from matriculation as a student in a foreign country earning a degree from that foreign school.
In the former case, the student is earning the degree from a US school that the student attends and that school is hosting the exchange program.

+1 I was just coming to say this. This point seems to be lost on most of the pp’s or they just want to make it political. As an example, if you are just doing a semester in the UK you only need a regular tourist visa because it’s less than 6 months.

[Anonymous]

In the UK most higher ed institutions are actively looking for international applicants because the Int. fees are higher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are just plain cruel. Millions of American students won't be able to study in China. Just wrong.

Actually, my DH minored in Chinese and studied in China in the 1990s. I have a Russian majors who has had to try to study in ethnic Russian enclaves in Eastern Europe because Russia and the Ukraine are out. It’s been a problem for language acquisition. So do t discount study in China. You can’t defeat China if you don’t have security clearable America citizens who speak Chinese.

And also, ALL student visa processing is currently suspended. Yep— even the place your kid will want to study. Kinda hope it starts up soon or there are going to be some American kids who thought they were headed to McGill or St. Andrews taking a gap year.

No one goes to china for language studies any more.

Taiwan is where it is at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are just plain cruel. Millions of American students won't be able to study in China. Just wrong.

Actually, my DH minored in Chinese and studied in China in the 1990s. I have a Russian majors who has had to try to study in ethnic Russian enclaves in Eastern Europe because Russia and the Ukraine are out. It’s been a problem for language acquisition. So do t discount study in China. You can’t defeat China if you don’t have security clearable America citizens who speak Chinese.

And also, ALL student visa processing is currently suspended. Yep— even the place your kid will want to study. Kinda hope it starts up soon or there are going to be some American kids who thought they were headed to McGill or St. Andrews taking a gap year.

Any idea how many American college students now are in China?

11,000 in 2019
800 this year

Why this decrease isn’t a good thing (short answer: know your enemy. And their language and culture)

https://www.voanews.com/a/decline-of-american-students-in-china-could-mean-fewer-experts/7668461.html

My DC is majoring in Chinese (along with another major) and spent a semester in China in 2024. It was an amazing experience. I have been told that there have been no issues so far for US students in China, but it's not hard to imagine some kind of tit-for-tat response from Beijing especially as Chinese students here in the US are harassed or deported. And there is zero upside to shrinking the number of Americans who have on the ground experience with our foremost competitor.

Many of the chinese students are spying and stealing intellectual property, which is not the case in reverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are just plain cruel. Millions of American students won't be able to study in China. Just wrong.

Actually, my DH minored in Chinese and studied in China in the 1990s. I have a Russian majors who has had to try to study in ethnic Russian enclaves in Eastern Europe because Russia and the Ukraine are out. It’s been a problem for language acquisition. So do t discount study in China. You can’t defeat China if you don’t have security clearable America citizens who speak Chinese.

And also, ALL student visa processing is currently suspended. Yep— even the place your kid will want to study. Kinda hope it starts up soon or there are going to be some American kids who thought they were headed to McGill or St. Andrews taking a gap year.

Any idea how many American college students now are in China?

11,000 in 2019
800 this year

Why this decrease isn’t a good thing (short answer: know your enemy. And their language and culture)

https://www.voanews.com/a/decline-of-american-students-in-china-could-mean-fewer-experts/7668461.html

Interesting how Americans simply aren’t much interested in Chinese college. Living under the thumb of Communist control isn’t exciting to most Americans.

Maybe the same reason most American students aren't interested in studying in Germany- language barrier, unfamiliarity with the culture, etc.
Even without the language barrier, say like Ireland, Americans aren't applying there in droves.
Let's face it, most average Americans are insular.

My kid is headed to Berlin this Fall- sophomore. lol