Could a new consortium make boundary changes more acceptable?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed about the limitations to lotteries/DCC, as a family zoned for Einstein. MCPS should focus more on equity between individual high schools (and robust options within individual high schools) and less on the special programs that end up being available to very few kids across the county. They sound great in theory but in practice, they leave too many kids out.

+1 as an NEC parent, I agree. Blake is overcrowded due to the high interest in their dance program, but Paint Branch and Springbrook kids who are interested are SOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Consortia serve only two purposes - to make parents feel like they have some choice in their high school, while also making elected BOE members not draw "hard" boundary lines, which can make constituents angry.

They cost MCPS millions in transportation costs per year while also completely killing the feeling of community in schools.

+1,000,000,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed about the limitations to lotteries/DCC, as a family zoned for Einstein. MCPS should focus more on equity between individual high schools (and robust options within individual high schools) and less on the special programs that end up being available to very few kids across the county. They sound great in theory but in practice, they leave too many kids out.

+1 as an NEC parent, I agree. Blake is overcrowded due to the high interest in their dance program, but Paint Branch and Springbrook kids who are interested are SOL.

Thats not why Blake is overcrowded.
Blake has the better reputation because it’s more white than the other 2 options. It’s been this way for years unfortunately. I’m in the NEC and literally everyone I talk to
Says they want Blake. Their kids don’t even dance/do theater.

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Most kids rank schools based off who has the best sports teams and where they best friend/boyfriend is going. It’s billed as this process similar to choosing a college but for the VAST majority of students, they don’t care about the special programs offered. So the county pays millions to send 3-5 buses to many neighborhoods all over the county for what good reason?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed about the limitations to lotteries/DCC, as a family zoned for Einstein. MCPS should focus more on equity between individual high schools (and robust options within individual high schools) and less on the special programs that end up being available to very few kids across the county. They sound great in theory but in practice, they leave too many kids out.

+1 as an NEC parent, I agree. Blake is overcrowded due to the high interest in their dance program, but Paint Branch and Springbrook kids who are interested are SOL.

Thats not why Blake is overcrowded.
Blake has the better reputation because it’s more white than the other 2 options. It’s been this way for years unfortunately. I’m in the NEC and literally everyone I talk to
Says they want Blake. Their kids don’t even dance/do theater.

Exactly. I worked in the NEC for 16 years. Blake is majority white, PB majority black, and SB majority Hispanic. Isn’t this exactly what the consortium idea is supposed to prevent?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed about the limitations to lotteries/DCC, as a family zoned for Einstein. MCPS should focus more on equity between individual high schools (and robust options within individual high schools) and less on the special programs that end up being available to very few kids across the county. They sound great in theory but in practice, they leave too many kids out.

+1 as an NEC parent, I agree. Blake is overcrowded due to the high interest in their dance program, but Paint Branch and Springbrook kids who are interested are SOL.

Thats not why Blake is overcrowded.
Blake has the better reputation because it’s more white than the other 2 options. It’s been this way for years unfortunately. I’m in the NEC and literally everyone I talk to
Says they want Blake. Their kids don’t even dance/do theater.

Yup. Meanwhile, Springbrook is underutilized with a toxic principal that MCPS refuses to do anything about.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed about the limitations to lotteries/DCC, as a family zoned for Einstein. MCPS should focus more on equity between individual high schools (and robust options within individual high schools) and less on the special programs that end up being available to very few kids across the county. They sound great in theory but in practice, they leave too many kids out.

+1 as an NEC parent, I agree. Blake is overcrowded due to the high interest in their dance program, but Paint Branch and Springbrook kids who are interested are SOL.

Thats not why Blake is overcrowded.
Blake has the better reputation because it’s more white than the other 2 options. It’s been this way for years unfortunately. I’m in the NEC and literally everyone I talk to
Says they want Blake. Their kids don’t even dance/do theater.

Exactly. I worked in the NEC for 16 years. Blake is majority white, PB majority black, and SB majority Hispanic. Isn’t this exactly what the consortium idea is supposed to prevent?

Blake is actually 11% white, which is higher than Paint Branch (3.4%) or Springbrook (4.4%), but certainly not the majority. The demographics table in this PDF is informative: https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_Chapter4NEC.pdf

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I think the special programs offered in these consortia give kids a chance to really shine and differentiate themselves for college applications. And it just gives them a reason to get excited to go to school in the morning. The more engaged they are, the better they will do.

This is kind of like living and learning programs in college which may have nothing to do with your major but give a sense of community. Proven to be highly successful.

Strongly in favor.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s force the entire county be divided into consortiums. No reason schools like Sherwood and WJ can stay out of the NEC and the DCC.

They're going to do this but call them regions instead. Each region will have special programs.

Yes, this seems to be the direction Taylor wants to go in. Hopefully the consortiums are smaller than the DCC. I think the DCC doesn't work so great great because it's too big. If there are more than 3 high schools in the consortium, it's too big.

Who said the DCC doesn't work so great?

Many people. Who said it works great?

Many people. If you want to go to your home Hs no one is stopping you.

And if you don't want to go to your home school, you're essentially subjected to a lottery which does not work in your favor.

I don’t think you know how the DCC works

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the special programs offered in these consortia give kids a chance to really shine and differentiate themselves for college applications. And it just gives them a reason to get excited to go to school in the morning. The more engaged they are, the better they will do.

This is kind of like living and learning programs in college which may have nothing to do with your major but give a sense of community. Proven to be highly successful.

Strongly in favor.

This is PP. but still not enough to make me like option 3. It’s just too much bussing and shifting the kids around. Make the boundaries based on equal weighting of four factors (as required under MCPS policy), then we can look at consortia/magnets to improve demographics. MCPS was successful at this in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with the DCC is that it seems like you have access to stuff but you don’t.

We are zoned for Einstein. It’s a great school and neighbors love it, but it doesn’t have advanced STEM programming. If you want that, MCPS says, go to Wheaton. But despite putting Wheaton first on the lottery, my STEM kid didn’t get assigned Wheaton. So he goes to Einstein (without any close friends) and can’t get access to programs available to peers because he lost a lottery. Einstein says they don’t have enough interest to have advanced STEM classes, and they are probably mostly right, but that’s because some of those kids were shipped elsewhere.

He has made friends and will be fine. But the DCC process will always result in things like this. Having specialized high schools is fine, but only if access is real for every kid.

I have 3 kids and inbound for Blair. Because of the DCC, each one of my kids were able to fully explore their interests; one at Einstein, one at Wheaton and one at Blair.
We actually moved from DC to MoCo to have this opportunity, and we know a few other families who had done the same thing.
Grateful for the DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed about the limitations to lotteries/DCC, as a family zoned for Einstein. MCPS should focus more on equity between individual high schools (and robust options within individual high schools) and less on the special programs that end up being available to very few kids across the county. They sound great in theory but in practice, they leave too many kids out.

+1 as an NEC parent, I agree. Blake is overcrowded due to the high interest in their dance program, but Paint Branch and Springbrook kids who are interested are SOL.

Thats not why Blake is overcrowded.
Blake has the better reputation because it’s more white than the other 2 options. It’s been this way for years unfortunately. I’m in the NEC and literally everyone I talk to
Says they want Blake. Their kids don’t even dance/do theater.

Exactly. I worked in the NEC for 16 years. Blake is majority white, PB majority black, and SB majority Hispanic. Isn’t this exactly what the consortium idea is supposed to prevent?

Nope

[Anonymous]

There are individual students and parents who feel that being in a consortia has worked out well for them. They got to pick their school and might get a few electives offered at that school that are not offered at the other schools.

But most do not have a comparison point for how being in a consortia school limits community involvement and challenges the school.

After school activities are significantly more challenging when the students live in a more spread out geographic area and do not grow up with the other families. In a community school, it's easier to get home after practice or rehearsal or to rely on carpools with families who have known each other since elementary school. The DCC does at least have better public transportation readily available than the NEC, but still - relying on metro buses to take your student home late at night or in rush hour isn't ideal when compared to a community school's daily routine.

Raising funds for your school is much more difficult in a consortia school. Neighbors and friends are much less likely to donate or participate in a fundraiser when the neighborhood has to support three (NEC) or five (DCC) public schools.

Getting community involvement from local businesses is significantly harder when each business has three or five public high schools to support.

Vertical articulation - working with the feeder middle schools to ensure smooth transitions for individual students (or all students) is harder when the high school A) doesn't know who is coming to the school until February of their 8th grade year and B) has five (NEC) or 11 (DCC) middle schools they pull from.

Anyone who has worked in a consortia school knows how challenging it can be. Anyone who has volunteered in the PTSA or Booster Club knows the challenges consortia present.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with the DCC is that it seems like you have access to stuff but you don’t.

We are zoned for Einstein. It’s a great school and neighbors love it, but it doesn’t have advanced STEM programming. If you want that, MCPS says, go to Wheaton. But despite putting Wheaton first on the lottery, my STEM kid didn’t get assigned Wheaton. So he goes to Einstein (without any close friends) and can’t get access to programs available to peers because he lost a lottery. Einstein says they don’t have enough interest to have advanced STEM classes, and they are probably mostly right, but that’s because some of those kids were shipped elsewhere.

He has made friends and will be fine. But the DCC process will always result in things like this. Having specialized high schools is fine, but only if access is real for every kid.

I have 3 kids and inbound for Blair. Because of the DCC, each one of my kids were able to fully explore their interests; one at Einstein, one at Wheaton and one at Blair.
We actually moved from DC to MoCo to have this opportunity, and we know a few other families who had done the same thing.
Grateful for the DCC.

Yes, it works best for Blair kids since it’s so overcrowded there that they can go someplace else more easily. But public school should be about what works for all (or most), not paying extra for a system that privileges some kids over others.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s force the entire county be divided into consortiums. No reason schools like Sherwood and WJ can stay out of the NEC and the DCC.

They're going to do this but call them regions instead. Each region will have special programs.

Yes, this seems to be the direction Taylor wants to go in. Hopefully the consortiums are smaller than the DCC. I think the DCC doesn't work so great great because it's too big. If there are more than 3 high schools in the consortium, it's too big.

Who said the DCC doesn't work so great?

Many people. Who said it works great?

Many people. If you want to go to your home Hs no one is stopping you.

And if you don't want to go to your home school, you're essentially subjected to a lottery which does not work in your favor.

Isn't this the same situation you would be in if there was no consortium, though?

If there was no consortium PP would be stuck with a home school they don’t want and no other choices except for magnets.

I am the PP and you’re right. But the key is that then all the other STEM kids would also be at Einstein, and it would be easier to advocate for advanced programming. Removing 70% of STEM kids really sucks for the 30% left behind.

+1

Consortium system is hugely negative for kids who are left behind.

Magnets are hugely negative for kids who are left behind.
CES are hugely negative for kids who are left behind
Team sports are hugely negative for kids who are left behind.
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