Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d say the kid was trying to lie to an overbearing parent and it got out hand when the parent contacted you. Yes, it’s cheating, but I have some empathy for the student, too. I’d rope in the guidance counselor as a condition to striking the event from the record, if that’s possible at this school.

I’d guess this too. I bet the kid wasn’t trying to cheat. I bet he was trying to lie to his parent and it got out of hand. Changing the answer after-the-fact isn’t cheating unless he comes back to you lying and asking for a grade change… which he didn’t. If that had been his intended play, he would have approached you directly first.

[Anonymous]

But lying to one’s overbearing parent is not OP’s problem, and the result is still cheating.

Sorry, I don’t understand the posts defending this action.

- parent of young adults and teens, including one with an IEP. I know full well the high stakes for college admissions.

[Anonymous]

That’s cheating. And the kid lying and blaming you is pretty low. That parent has failed.

[Anonymous]

It’s cheating. I had a hard time with statistics in college. It was a requirement. This was before computers. I got one piece wrong, erased it and put in the right answer and he corrected my grade.

If I had gotten caught I wouldn’t have been very embarrassed and would not have made excuses.

I don’t know how anyone could think changing an assignment after it’s been graded isn’t cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked my 14 year old and he said it's not cheating, it's dumba$$ery. No student could think that would work.

It’s both

[Anonymous]

This is straight up cheating. No doubts.

Stick to your guns and let Admin handle the rest. They cannot force you to change the grade. If they are so inclined, they will simply override and change it themselves anyway, so let it be on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
But lying to one’s overbearing parent is not OP’s problem, and the result is still cheating.

Sorry, I don’t understand the posts defending this action.

- parent of young adults and teens, including one with an IEP. I know full well the high stakes for college admissions.

There are some bulldozer parents on this forum that do similar things to teachers all the time to get their snowflakes an A. Ignore them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May or may not be cheating. Could be a late submission, depending on the assignment.

I see your point, but we have a policy that an assignment can be edited and resubmitted up multiple times until the teacher grades it. After the teacher grades it, edits are not allowed. The student changed the answers a long time after the assignment was graded.

Edits ARE allowed.

Proof: YOUR SYSTEM offered the chance to submit edits, and then your SYSTEM accepted his proposed edits, as it was explicitly programmed to do.

Is this kid your paid IT Staff? No.

Did he hack the system? No.

Looks like Mama Bear found the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.

Not currently and nothing in the past on record with us.

I am curious though: Why wouldn’t that be cheating? I’ve taught many students with IEPs and 504s without ever seeing an accommodation that allowed surreptitiously changing answers after grading. Is that an accommodation for some students?

Since the parent challenged not the student, I’m having heartburn about labeling the student as the cheater.

But as to your question, yes it can be in an IEP, though overtly allowable and encouraged, not surreptitiously. I have a child who was really borderline as to his ability to be on diploma track. He had a pretty extreme IEP with this sort of intervention. And before anyone goes crazy about that, as a result, he was able to graduate from HS, get training, then a full time job with health insurance so he is self supporting instead of needing the government and taxpayer money to take care of him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He redid the assignment. Not cheating but if the policy is one shot at the assignment it shouldn't be regraded.

Students can resubmit multiple times before grading so they have more than one shot. I even encourage students to edit errors and resubmit before I grade.

The other issue is that the student lied to the parent about editing. The parent believed I incorrectly marked the answers. Luckily, the IT staffer found the edits that took place after I graded and released the score.

It's cheating. I don't even see why anyone would think otherwise. What else would they call it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:May or may not be cheating. Could be a late submission, depending on the assignment.

I see your point, but we have a policy that an assignment can be edited and resubmitted up multiple times until the teacher grades it. After the teacher grades it, edits are not allowed. The student changed the answers a long time after the assignment was graded.

Edits ARE allowed.

Proof: YOUR SYSTEM offered the chance to submit edits, and then your SYSTEM accepted his proposed edits, as it was explicitly programmed to do.

Is this kid your paid IT Staff? No.

Did he hack the system? No.

The kid knew he wasn't supposed to change the answer after it was graded. Just because he thought he could get away with it doesn't mean it's ok to do it.

[Anonymous]

No, it is not unfair to describe it as cheating.

Attempted cheating is still cheating. Hell -- the wasted resources and time spent on this by multiple administrators probably means it is worse than garden variety cheating.

Of course the parent wants it stricken from the record. I don't think it should be though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.

Not currently and nothing in the past on record with us.

I am curious though: Why wouldn’t that be cheating? I’ve taught many students with IEPs and 504s without ever seeing an accommodation that allowed surreptitiously changing answers after grading. Is that an accommodation for some students?

There was no surreptition.

Now it looks like you are just bullying a child because you don't know how your own computer system is designed to work. You're embarrassing yourself both anonymously here and in real life to the child, parent, admin, and IT staff.

However, students not on IEPs are expected "be the adult in the room" and deal with technologocally illiterate teachers and inconsistent adult instruction more than students on IEPs.

Looks like we found the parent of the cheater!!! There are these amazing new things they call a SYLLABUS! You’ll never believe what they contain! They talk explicitly about grading expectations and assignments. The cheater knew exactly what they did wrong. Otherwise, gosh, this would happen all.the.time. But it doesn’t because most kids aren’t cheaters - or at least too stupid to cheat like this. OP, you should not be questioning yourself over this.

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[Anonymous]

It is cheating if the kid lied about changing the answers.

[Anonymous]

I truly can’t believe the number of people twisting themselves in knots in this forum trying to say this isn’t cheating. It clearly is. Sorry you are dealing with this, OP. The parent is an A-hole. Kudos to the teacher that posted about photocopying tests and turning in kids who try this same stunt (same thing, btw, just different mode of delivery). You are doing your students a world of good by holding them accountable.