What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.

google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.

Any person who is violent daily in an environment in which that is not the standard has special needs.

They might not be neurodivergent, but if on a daily basis they harm others they have special needs and need special support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.

google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.

Any person who is violent daily in an environment in which that is not the standard has special needs.

They might not be neurodivergent, but if on a daily basis they harm others they have special needs and need special support.

I mean, sort of. It doesn't really explain why the OP, who seems to have a typically developing child, decided to bring this question to a group of parents of kids with special needs.

[Anonymous]

This discussion really should not be on this forum. Not the place to pile on SN parents.

I can say from my perspective, and likely many other parents, the school alternated between freaking out about each incident and refusing to actually provide any services. It was extremely frustrating. We went years and years with the school (despite me begging) never providing any trained behavioral support. The only thing that helped was time and maturity and moving to a new school that handled behavior (by ALL kids) much better. Crucially, one of the admins at the new school (not even technically part of the SPED team) had a kid on the spectrum and understood basic behavioral principals and was able to help a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.

google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.

I see you’re defensive of children who hit because that’s your kid but it’s not easy being on the other side either.

DUH it's not easy on the other side, my kid has a sibling who has been in the crossfire plenty, plus being in her own public school classroom with its own difficulties. If you don't think I know both sides, you're nuts. Where you lose me is asking to know other people's diagnosis, when that will do literally zero to help your kid be safe. Also you claiming "no action has been taken" when you know nothing of the other parents.
Make the school help your kid. Call the police if you have to. But don't come in here in our space and expect us to just take your judgement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.

google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.

I see you’re defensive of children who hit because that’s your kid but it’s not easy being on the other side either.

DUH it's not easy on the other side, my kid has a sibling who has been in the crossfire plenty, plus being in her own public school classroom with its own difficulties. If you don't think I know both sides, you're nuts. Where you lose me is asking to know other people's diagnosis, when that will do literally zero to help your kid be safe. Also you claiming "no action has been taken" when you know nothing of the other parents.
Make the school help your kid. Call the police if you have to. But don't come in here in our space and expect us to just take your judgement.

+1.

[Anonymous]

This isn't a special needs issue, it's an incompetent admin issue. Were you given a written incident report each time your child was hit? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.

google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.

Any person who is violent daily in an environment in which that is not the standard has special needs.

They might not be neurodivergent, but if on a daily basis they harm others they have special needs and need special support.

That is not true.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure non-SN parents know that there's been a trend in the last few years of school systems completely bucking special education law when it comes to severe children. Violent children are supposed to be put in a self-contained setting or with 1-to-1 adult supervision in the mainstream classroom. A behavior specialist is supposed to then collect detailed data on the triggers for the behaviors and then convene a meeting to create a plan to extinguish the behaviors. If none of this works, the school system is required to take the tax money distributed to it for that pupil and use it to send the child to an intensive private or residential placement designed for children with these needs.

School systems have figured out that it's a lot cheaper and easier to ignore all of the above, and wait for a parent to sue them for services. This hurts all children. There's this weird warped mindset on this board that parents somehow condone this occuring in classrooms, when the exact opposite has literally been written into law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure non-SN parents know that there's been a trend in the last few years of school systems completely bucking special education law when it comes to severe children. Violent children are supposed to be put in a self-contained setting or with 1-to-1 adult supervision in the mainstream classroom. A behavior specialist is supposed to then collect detailed data on the triggers for the behaviors and then convene a meeting to create a plan to extinguish the behaviors. If none of this works, the school system is required to take the tax money distributed to it for that pupil and use it to send the child to an intensive private or residential placement designed for children with these needs.

School systems have figured out that it's a lot cheaper and easier to ignore all of the above, and wait for a parent to sue them for services. This hurts all children. There's this weird warped mindset on this board that parents somehow condone this occuring in classrooms, when the exact opposite has literally been written into law.

Plus a billion. thank you for typing it out for OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

But you have no idea what is going on between administration, teachers, and parents. It could be that the parents are refusing to acknowledge there is an issue. Or it could be that they are trying to get him moved and the process just takes a long time.

My kid was the violent one. I had the neuropsych completed. It still took 8 mo to move him. I was calling and pleading weekly. The process takes an ungodly amount of time. Please don’t say you know there’s no action. You don’t know what’s going behind the scenes.

[Anonymous]

Teacher here. What people are failing to understand, is that the child may not be special needs or may not have all of the required paper work or assessments to have a diagnosis or an IEP. It is a long process in which could incorporate MANY people (psychologist, doctors, lawyers, special education department, parents, etc). Finding the right needs of the child will not happen with a flip of a switch. There is a lot of trial and error along the way. Does it mean that other children should not be kept safe in the classroom? Absolutely not. So what can you do as a parent on the other end of the child that may be hurting others? Sit in on the classrooms to observe behaviors not just of other children but of your child. What can your child do differently in the classroom? Maybe sit somewhere else? Maybe help this student less? or more? Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. What people are failing to understand, is that the child may not be special needs or may not have all of the required paper work or assessments to have a diagnosis or an IEP. It is a long process in which could incorporate MANY people (psychologist, doctors, lawyers, special education department, parents, etc). Finding the right needs of the child will not happen with a flip of a switch. There is a lot of trial and error along the way. Does it mean that other children should not be kept safe in the classroom? Absolutely not. So what can you do as a parent on the other end of the child that may be hurting others? Sit in on the classrooms to observe behaviors not just of other children but of your child. What can your child do differently in the classroom? Maybe sit somewhere else? Maybe help this student less? or more? Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.

If you’re a teacher, and you’ve read the thread, you should know that this sounds like a pipe dream in 2024.

“ Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.”

[Anonymous]

All of this. OP, you need to have a more realistic understanding of the process.

Say the parents decide to try medication. So they have to find a provider that takes their insurance (not that easy if they're on Medicaid), then get an appointment. Then get something prescribed. Then wait for the prescription to be ready (despite recent shortages). Then start the med. Depending on the med, it may take some time for it to build up to an effective level. Sometimes a med isn't the right fit so they have to repeat the process with another med. It's really not as easy as you seem to think. A parent can be doing everything right and it still takes time.

[Anonymous]

Lab School meets needs of special needs students for $50K a year, and some kids still need to pay for private services on top of that. DC public spends on average $25K per student. Where’s the extra $25K+ per student supposed to come from to provide all the services needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. What people are failing to understand,[b] is that the child may not be special needs or may not have all of the required paper work or assessments to have a diagnosis or an IEP. It is a long process in which could incorporate MANY people (psychologist, doctors, lawyers, special education department, parents, etc). Finding the right needs of the child will not happen with a flip of a switch. There is a lot of trial and error along the way. Does it mean that other children should not be kept safe in the classroom? Absolutely not. So what can you do as a parent on the other end of the child that may be hurting others? Sit in on the classrooms to observe behaviors not just of other children but of your child. What can your child do differently in the classroom? Maybe sit somewhere else? Maybe help this student less? or more? Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.

lady all of us understand that except op