Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters

[Anonymous]

Some people just can’t understand logic.
The system is fair because it applies equally to everyone. The line has to be drawn somewhere. It does not matter if the cutoff date is June 1 or whatever date, because no matter what date is used, the kids in that age group are no more than 2 year minus one day apart in age. This is the case in the beginning of the season and it is still the case ant the end. Yes, some kids might turn from 14 to 15 during the season, but the kids at the bottom of that age group are also getting the same number of days older. Time marches on equally for all.

And like pps have said, summer swim is about community and fun and personal achievement in the short span of a few weeks. It makes no sense for a kid to have to age up during such a short season. USA swimming is different because it is pretty much a year long and there’s no reason to delay the inevitable age-up. And anyway not all clubs do this - ours uses whatever age the kid is on Dec 1 to swim the rest of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what this supposed backroom meeting of parents of kids with summer birthdays who also happen to do summer swim looked like. How was it arranged. Did someone start a Facebook group called "Parents of July and August Kiddos!" and then quietly blue pill its members until a coalition could be formed. Does everyone in the diabolical cabal also redshirt their kids and if so is that why every year someone on this website starts a thread titled "There's a 9 year old in my child's kindergarten class -- why."

So many questions and so little time. Someone should write a DaVinci Code style book on the conspiracy.

😂😂😂 Well, I’m from another state and June 1st was the summer league cut-off for every single summer league, even when I was little. And I’m old. Think: swimming summer league in 1970s and 1980s. So it must have been SOMETHING to write those letters and use long-distance charges to conspire with all the summer leagues around the U.S. to orchestrate this rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is an end of May birthday. It is what it is. The cutoff has to be somewhere.

The cutoff should be Aug 1. The kids will be swimming their correct age.

I am not saying that would be more or less fair, but it would mean that some years my kids would swim an entire summer of 13-14 as a 12 year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a question in the opposite direction, about HS seniors and college freshmen super seniors. If a kid will turn 19 during the last days of HS senior year, I assume that means their last season of summer swim has to be the season after their junior year of HS, not the year of their HS graduation?

Nope. 19 after June 1 = 18 for summer swim. That’s also why you see some college swimmers come back to NVSL after their freshman year in college. One was a league record breaker this summer.

What about 19 just before June 1? That means no swimming even if you're a HS senior at the time, correct?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a June 2nd birthday kid and I still agree with OP. Winter swimming (which all my kids do) you age up the day of your birthday. I had this happen to a friend where they literally aged up the second day of a meet. They swam day 1 of the two day meet as a 10 year old and day 2 as an 11 year old. It should absolutely be the same for summer swim.

That does not happen. No one ages up in the middle of a meet. It’s your age of the first day of the meet. Think of the nvsl season as one long meet that lasts 6 weeks.

[Anonymous]

That won't work for summer swim. Need a consistent age up date or it would be an automation nightmare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That won't work for summer swim. Need a consistent age up date or it would be an automation nightmare

An automation nightmare that the HY-TEK software is designed to handle. So … not a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

It IS unfair when you liken it to a club swim meet’s rules (but still most unfair to Feb and early March bday kids). But it is what it is.

[Anonymous]

You can’t keep records for children that will be in different age groups within a single season.
Planning heats, relay teams, etc. can not happen if kids are aging up and doubling the amount of water they swim (25 m to 50 meters with a turn).

[Anonymous]

When did summer swim parents get so whiny?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did summer swim parents get so whiny?

Millennial parents are ruining summer swim.

[Anonymous]

I'm so sick of hearing about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your child is a swimmer, there is always a birthday that isn’t as good.
Short Course Champs, PVS - March 20-ish
NCSAs - March 27-ish
Summer league all over the entire U.S.! - June 1st
Long Course Champs, PVS - July 20-ish

You know who has the worst birthday? Late Feb and early March birthdays. They get screwed for short course champs & NCSAs, and aren’t that much older at Long Course Champs.

If your child summer swims and plays travel baseball, a May birthday may stink for summer league but is awesome for travel ball.

FWIW, my child has an October birthday and is 9. And my child likely made All-Stars in two events today.

Not surprising. Fall birthday kids do well in summer swim.

OP’s child is 9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what this supposed backroom meeting of parents of kids with summer birthdays who also happen to do summer swim looked like. How was it arranged. Did someone start a Facebook group called "Parents of July and August Kiddos!" and then quietly blue pill its members until a coalition could be formed. Does everyone in the diabolical cabal also redshirt their kids and if so is that why every year someone on this website starts a thread titled "There's a 9 year old in my child's kindergarten class -- why."

So many questions and so little time. Someone should write a DaVinci Code style book on the conspiracy.

😂😂😂 Well, I’m from another state and June 1st was the summer league cut-off for every single summer league, even when I was little. And I’m old. Think: swimming summer league in 1970s and 1980s. So it must have been SOMETHING to write those letters and use long-distance charges to conspire with all the summer leagues around the U.S. to orchestrate this rule.

I swam for the NVSL in the 80's and early 90's and kids definitely aged up in the middle of the summer. I can remember some specific kids who had early July birthdays and how the team did better before the aged etc. NVSL changed the rule to June 1st sometime after that.

[Anonymous]

Just sour grapes. The age band is the same size regardless of whether the league uses a fixed dated or a rolling date. OP is just miffed that their kid doesn't have a good summer swim birthday.